[bpryce]

I did daygame for a while a few years ago - pre tinder/okc etc explosion.

I think its fairly safe to say that 90+% of single women will be on these sites these days. Back then (2011ish) i was able to get a fair few dates. A few lays here and there but i had poor logistics so not as many as i could have with better logistics. I had 2 LTRs also.

I faced tons of rejection though. Lots of flakes. Probably got one date for every 50 approaches. I plowed on though because i had some success early and i knew how good it could be when we both clicked.

Im in a position now where im 30 years old so looking a bit older, and cant get women online. Im black too in a fairly white country.

I dont know if i will get honest answers here but daygame is quite tough for me and pretty much every wingman ive met. However, i can cope with 1/50 dates. Im looking for a LTR. Problem is, in my mind i feel as though the girls im approaching have better options a click away,whereas before when i was daygaming they would have had to meet guys in work/clubs etc.

Ultimately im not sure its going to work. I guess the only way to find out is to try but i was hoping to get honest opinions if there are any guys that daygame. If it was easy to pull women from daygame i guess a lotnof guys on here would have different mentalities, if an abundance of women was possible that easily.

My feeling is that its going to be tons harder and possibly undoable due to a high rejection rate. I know i wont be able to plow through a huge rejection rate and it will get to me if ik not seeing results. Im guessing the replies will be urging me to give it a try for 50 approaches which i may do.

[SDGuerro]

All that typing and I don't see a question...Sounds to me like you're just psyching yourself out before you even try. It's definitely not doable if you don't try. So try it out and let us know how it goes.

[kinjutsu]

I'm black as well, so don't let your skin color be a limiting factor.

Your inner game needs some repair before you can start having much success. You must believe you are the best option these women have and they would be a fool to not join you for a drink.

Start lifting. Eat a cleaner diet. Juice veggies. Dress better.
When you fix these things you'll have an easier time attracting women.

Day game is better in the long run but it shouldn't be the only thing you do. Club game. Social circle game.

Online game is solely dependent on your photos.
A lot the girls you see wont be nearly as good looking as they appear to be.

[bpryce]

@sdguerro im just trying to be realistic man. Im going to try but i was hoping that some guys would be able to offer realistic opinions on the difficulty of daygame today. Common sense tells me its going to be a big challenge. I guess im just looking for other guys in my position.

@kinjitsu being black is certainly a limiting factor in the country im in, in terms of it eliminates me as an option in the eyes of some girls. No doubt about this, ive lived it. Im in pretty good shape and my fashion is good so those boxes are ticked.

At the end of the day im not a machine who can just take rejection after rejection after rejection. So i guess im going to have to be realistic. I think 50 approaches, direct, will be my target. If i have no dates from that,ill see where i am mentally and if i can continue. It would feel pointless if i dont see a light at the end of the tunnel. Positive thinking is good but you need realistic experiences to fall back on otherwise its just delusion. No point telling me to feel like im the best option for these girls when they have much better looking guys their ages that are probably a better fit in their eyes. Can i get a hot 20ish year old white girl on a date after 50 approaches? 100? 200? Lets see. Maybe ill be surprised and get some success. I know from experience that when ot clicks it just clicks.

But there seems to be an opinion of "of course it works, just delude yourself that youre the best option for the girls and then approach them. Youll have a hot young girl in no time". I might go out and do everything right and still get nothing due to factors outside my control.

[SDGuerro]

I wasn't trying to be a dick. For me, my game is really dependent on how I'm feeling about myself. If im confident, happy, and social I can do pretty good. If I get inside my head with doubt and negative thoughts then I over analyze the situation and usually miss out on opportunities. I'm kind of over online game myself because I haven't been very good at it. I feel like there is more competition online for even the mediocre girls and just having the balls to approach a female in real life separates you from a large number of guys. I think if you approach a girl in real life your chances are better than if you approached the same girl online. Maybe it's just me and I don't have the right pics or profile but I too am not some approach machine. I will say that messaging a bunch of girls on tinder or okc and it not going anywhere makes me feel kind of unmotivated where as approaching in real life and it not going anywhere actually motivates me because I know I at least had the balls to do it. Long story short, find out how to make yourself be in asocial, confident mood and go give it a try. Good luck!

[bpryce]

It may come down to having a bit of wine and then going daygaming. The wine would loosen me up, make me social and less inhibited and fascilitate me banging out 15-20 approaches. Worst case scenario im guessing it would take 200 approaches for one date (im talking about hot young girls here). If i can bang out 20 approaches at a time, thats 10 days in a row.

Im still in the planning stages but wine definitely makes me much more social, pleasant and outgoing. I wouldnt be drunk though obviously.

Probably sounds weird/stupid but my goal isnt to become some great daygamer with no AA or fear of rejection. Its just to get a young hot gf, by any means. Daygame spamming seems honestly like my best option at the moment

[Noir]

It is understandable that guys like to make distinctions between game and categorizations.

I did the same, in the beginning to distinguish styles.

This might be me in the minority but I believe, you cannot turn it on or off. Game is what it is. You're charming, magnetic, mysterious, assertive and commanding where-ever you go, day or night. The key difference is your calibration (adaptability to your surroundings and company).

I skimmed through your post however these are my two cents on daygame.

Speak to every single person. Be curious and genuinely interested. Every single girl you see. On the way to the gym. In the grocery store. In the elevator.

Smile at people. That is half the battle. Be approachable and approach. Be open and cool. Be outcome independent, you're just having fun and chatting with people with no hidden agenda. It just happens, it is your life. You speak to people, you discover cool stuff and are constantly entangling hotties into your web of charm. No charade, no silly 'can I please have your number you are so hot', no 'excuse me but..' or anything like that.

Internalize this mentality and everything will follow. Be confident in your ability to attract women and befriend men at all times and any scenarios.

If you're having trouble, act stupid. Ask silly questions and segue from there. Then you can joke afterwards how you just wanted to talk to them and you're glad they're not a strange girl etc.

After a while, you will master your own 'look' of conveying 'I am the best thing to happen to you, ever and I will fuck your brains out, 6 - love'.

Example from the past 10 minutes:

At work, went outside to have a smoke. See this hottie who I had a suspicion, worked at a hair salon due to her style and hair.

I have a girlfriend but that doesn't stop me. I cannot help myself. You got to want to speak to them. If it is your ego, then fine. If you are genuinely interested, even better. The former is when you start out and the latter is when your intentions are real.

I just smile at her and hold eye contact until she passes by me, real close.

Experience tells me:
a) she will smile back and look down or hold eye contact (either submissive or up for the challenge, either way she is keen)
b) she will open me out of 'obligation' as guys don't just check out/smile/give the look without meaning to (open means she finds me or my presence attractive)
c) she will ignore me and it is her loss. (she could be having a shit day, I don't take this personally)


She smiles and says hi, takes her spot and whips her phone out. I walk over. Note: I held eye contact for 5 seconds before she walked over and made it obvious, I was checking out her legs and then fixated on her eyes as she approached. I like to make it obvious with my look, what I am communicating and that I find them hot. I don't like to waste time.

me: do you work at xy salon?
her: ah yes but I am a receptionist
me: that's cute. will they cut my hair for free or what. I heard they are trainees
her: haha yes if you are willing to be a guinea pig
me: who cuts your hair?
her: *plays with hair* the supervisor. my hair is damaged, I dyed it blonde blabla
me: hmmm I can't picture you blonde. That's kinda hot.
her: *blushes, looks down* thanks but I prefer this. (fishing for compliments)
me: ya cool. I will visit you for a discount. I work opposite.

I finished my smoke and two of my female colleagues came up, hugged me -> social proof!

The reasons I gave this example:
- just happened, I had zero intention. Just went for a smoke and she caught my eye
- I broke it down to show the whole dynamic, you can see whats going on
- this happens all the time, it is normal. This is game, not counting and running stats through an excel sheet
- I didn't motivate myself or anything, I saw a girl I wanted to speak to and that is all. Don't care if she rejects or not. Didn't even get the number, I want to know why a girl is dressed so hot at 10AM in the morning.
- I am at work, getting paid by my company and I found 10 mins to entertain myself. Entertain yourself. Push boundaries.
- Forget about the social proof, that is the icing on the cake. Once I signaled my intentions when she entered my perimeter, I was on her mind as she was on her phone. Social proof is more of a nightgame thing than daygame (adapting)
- I ended it, because I know I will see her again. I would rather play it slowly and let the seeds be planted than rush it and get her number. This is calibration and experience. Calibration as she works near me and don't want to mess with logistics just yet. Experience because I know that I will have to 'sell myself' more to get the number and her not to flake.

Girls just want to be taken, you just gotta step up.

They want you to be awesome and will throw hurdles, you just gotta follow through.

Distinctions with daygame/nightgame/p4p help and are useful but superfluous if you can just calibrate.

You seem daunted because you are basing your sexual needs, emotional expectations and everything else you value from a woman into X amount of approaches. It is like you're playing a game and you have X amount of tries.

What I am saying is create unlimited tries. I flirt with any and every woman. All kinds, races, ages, heights, weights whatever. Fuck. I will have banter with gay guys. It is entertaining and you learn about women. Rejection is silly and worrying about it even worse. Expose yourself.

You're already rejecting yourself with your outcome dependent mentality. Let the women reject you instead of yourself before you even begin.

edit:

Just saw you're in Greece. I get your issue with colour, as a Greek, you are completely in the right. Just accept it and adapt.

I believe my advice is still valid however, pick out hip hop clubs and other cliche things. That is the culture. Otherwise, learn how to dance bouzouki and tolerate 45 year old Greek singers crying about their ex-wives and clean up in those clubs.

Daygame should be fine if you pick your venues correctly.

Nonetheless, give what I said a go and be cool with everything. Just stay away from Golden Dawn areas. Just kidding.

Kali epitixia.

[bpryce]

@noir, i appreciate the post, but i just dont have that type of outgoing personality.

Ill need to gear myself up for the approaches. Its just the way i am. I tried to dk it naturaly but the aa was too much & it felt terrible. I just want to go out in daygame mode, bang out as many approaches as possible, get numbers and follow up.

I admire your method but i just cant be that type of person without huge mental effort.

[Noir]

(02-27-2015 03:47 AM)bpryce Wrote:  

@noir, i appreciate the post, but i just dont have that type of outgoing personality.

Ill need to gear myself up for the approaches. Its just the way i am. I tried to dk it naturaly but the aa was too much & it felt terrible. I just want to go out in daygame mode, bang out as many approaches as possible, get numbers and follow up.

I admire your method but i just cant be that type of person without huge mental effort.

Buddy I started out like that, 8 years ago. Repetition is the father of success.

Fix up your attitude and confidence and everything will flow.

All I can do is show you the door, you gotta walk through it yourself.

[Captain Gh]

The replies that you've received pretty much sums it up. You definitely need to reinforce you Inner Game about believing that you're best self is extremely good and to do so you've got to put in the work, and that's by being in really great shape, being sharply dress, having a job that truly satisfies you and then it'll help you get there.

Also to understand that Gaming period is hard, Daygaming is truly a special animal since you have to feel that AA and go for it anyway in a non social environment! Also understand that as a Black man you're result will be harder to come by and that's just the way it is, and if you don't like it then stay home and spare yourself! This is why I believe it's that much more important that anyone from a visible minority knows extremely well Game theory and Strong Inner Game if you want to constantly do it.

Because when the results might not be there, you'll have the belief that you're doing it the right way and that the next approach might be the one that'll bite. This is easy to type but extremely difficult to apply consistently on the field, even for me but hey I'm trying. As long as you're out there then you're doing something that 95% of men won't even try in their life, so you're already ahead of the pack, especially the online guys that freeze up when it's date time! But you won't since you'll get some Instant Date

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-27-2015 05:31 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Also to understand that Gaming period is hard, Daygaming is truly a special animal since you have to feel that AA and go for it anyway in a non social environment! Also understand that as a Black man you're result will be harder to come by and that's just the way it is, and if you don't like it then stay home and spare yourself! This is why I believe it's that much more important that anyone from a visible minority knows extremely well Game theory and Strong Inner Game if you want to constantly do it.

I don't know about that. Black guys don't seem to be doing so bad even in areas with predominantly white population. If you are in Greece that is a different matter, but gaming tourists should balance that. And you cannot do that really online - so Daygame and gaming women at night hours in southern areas is an excellent opportunity.

Also I think your online Game needs more work - you say that you are 30 and dates are drying up. I have friends who are 39 and are putting 29 as their age - they look young, but not that young. At 30 you say that your are 25 - when the girl shows up, then say Fisto-style that you put yourself younger because you did not want all those old women writing to you.

You have not really touched upon Game much frankly - neither online, nor Daygame etc.

[reco2100]

(02-27-2015 03:39 AM)Noir Wrote:  

It is understandable that guys like to make distinctions between game and categorizations.

I did the same, in the beginning to distinguish styles.

This might be me in the minority but I believe, you cannot turn it on or off. Game is what it is. You're charming, magnetic, mysterious, assertive and commanding where-ever you go, day or night. The key difference is your calibration (adaptability to your surroundings and company).

I skimmed through your post however these are my two cents on daygame.

Speak to every single person. Be curious and genuinely interested. Every single girl you see. On the way to the gym. In the grocery store. In the elevator.

Smile at people. That is half the battle. Be approachable and approach. Be open and cool. Be outcome independent, you're just having fun and chatting with people with no hidden agenda. It just happens, it is your life. You speak to people, you discover cool stuff and are constantly entangling hotties into your web of charm. No charade, no silly 'can I please have your number you are so hot', no 'excuse me but..' or anything like that.

Internalize this mentality and everything will follow. Be confident in your ability to attract women and befriend men at all times and any scenarios.

If you're having trouble, act stupid. Ask silly questions and segue from there. Then you can joke afterwards how you just wanted to talk to them and you're glad they're not a strange girl etc.

After a while, you will master your own 'look' of conveying 'I am the best thing to happen to you, ever and I will fuck your brains out, 6 - love'.

Example from the past 10 minutes:

At work, went outside to have a smoke. See this hottie who I had a suspicion, worked at a hair salon due to her style and hair.

I have a girlfriend but that doesn't stop me. I cannot help myself. You got to want to speak to them. If it is your ego, then fine. If you are genuinely interested, even better. The former is when you start out and the latter is when your intentions are real.

I just smile at her and hold eye contact until she passes by me, real close.

Experience tells me:
a) she will smile back and look down or hold eye contact (either submissive or up for the challenge, either way she is keen)
b) she will open me out of 'obligation' as guys don't just check out/smile/give the look without meaning to (open means she finds me or my presence attractive)
c) she will ignore me and it is her loss. (she could be having a shit day, I don't take this personally)


She smiles and says hi, takes her spot and whips her phone out. I walk over. Note: I held eye contact for 5 seconds before she walked over and made it obvious, I was checking out her legs and then fixated on her eyes as she approached. I like to make it obvious with my look, what I am communicating and that I find them hot. I don't like to waste time.

me: do you work at xy salon?
her: ah yes but I am a receptionist
me: that's cute. will they cut my hair for free or what. I heard they are trainees
her: haha yes if you are willing to be a guinea pig
me: who cuts your hair?
her: *plays with hair* the supervisor. my hair is damaged, I dyed it blonde blabla
me: hmmm I can't picture you blonde. That's kinda hot.
her: *blushes, looks down* thanks but I prefer this. (fishing for compliments)
me: ya cool. I will visit you for a discount. I work opposite.

I finished my smoke and two of my female colleagues came up, hugged me -> social proof!

The reasons I gave this example:
- just happened, I had zero intention. Just went for a smoke and she caught my eye
- I broke it down to show the whole dynamic, you can see whats going on
- this happens all the time, it is normal. This is game, not counting and running stats through an excel sheet
- I didn't motivate myself or anything, I saw a girl I wanted to speak to and that is all. Don't care if she rejects or not. Didn't even get the number, I want to know why a girl is dressed so hot at 10AM in the morning.
- I am at work, getting paid by my company and I found 10 mins to entertain myself. Entertain yourself. Push boundaries.
- Forget about the social proof, that is the icing on the cake. Once I signaled my intentions when she entered my perimeter, I was on her mind as she was on her phone. Social proof is more of a nightgame thing than daygame (adapting)
- I ended it, because I know I will see her again. I would rather play it slowly and let the seeds be planted than rush it and get her number. This is calibration and experience. Calibration as she works near me and don't want to mess with logistics just yet. Experience because I know that I will have to 'sell myself' more to get the number and her not to flake.

Girls just want to be taken, you just gotta step up.

They want you to be awesome and will throw hurdles, you just gotta follow through.

Distinctions with daygame/nightgame/p4p help and are useful but superfluous if you can just calibrate.

You seem daunted because you are basing your sexual needs, emotional expectations and everything else you value from a woman into X amount of approaches. It is like you're playing a game and you have X amount of tries.

What I am saying is create unlimited tries. I flirt with any and every woman. All kinds, races, ages, heights, weights whatever. Fuck. I will have banter with gay guys. It is entertaining and you learn about women. Rejection is silly and worrying about it even worse. Expose yourself.

You're already rejecting yourself with your outcome dependent mentality. Let the women reject you instead of yourself before you even begin.

edit:

Just saw you're in Greece. I get your issue with colour, as a Greek, you are completely in the right. Just accept it and adapt.

I believe my advice is still valid however, pick out hip hop clubs and other cliche things. That is the culture. Otherwise, learn how to dance bouzouki and tolerate 45 year old Greek singers crying about their ex-wives and clean up in those clubs.

Daygame should be fine if you pick your venues correctly.

Nonetheless, give what I said a go and be cool with everything. Just stay away from Golden Dawn areas. Just kidding.

Kali epitixia.

Noir this is an excellent post there is so much I would like to say but you said most of it here. Bpryce i feel your pain. But reading your analysis of your situation a couple of things come to mind. You are way too analytical about it. And this will bring on an over-thinking attitude that wears yourself down before you even get out there. Noir's approach is much easier and more fun in the process. It is what I am trying to execute. There is just too much of this "if I do this many approaches I will get this many dates because I am looking for a LTR or GF and she needs to be white, and I am black and live in a society where I am discriminated against on and on. It is so over-analyzed it is painful to even think about.

How about making it simpler. Break it down. Dont worry about your color. I have some black friends and they absolutely kill it with white women because they don't even think about it, the white black brown Asian thing does not even enter their reality. Hell I am white and a lot of black women don't like me because I am white, some Latina don't like me because I am white, I am not that tall medium height and many women don't like me because I am not tall enough. I am older many women don't like me because I am older. See how I could really get myself down by these facts.

You dismissed something really important that Kinjitsu said about deluding yourself into thinking you are attractive to all of these women. Think about what he said. Now think about what you are doing. You are doing just the opposite.

You are fooling yourself into thinking that you are not attractive to all of these women. You have a choice which way do you want to go with this? At the end of the day the man that acts decisively and with purpose will get the woman. Even sometimes a white woman that would not consider dating a black man. Your masculine will, can overcome her female indecision some of the time.

Yeah dating white women is hard in your location. So what lots of things are hard. Try being 52 and getting a 22YO. lol Its fucking hard. But it can be done. And when I get into that young pussy it is heaven. You seem like a classic introvert. That means socializing and interacting with a lot of people is tiring for you. And to recover from that you need alone time. Understand this understand yourself. And then proceed with this knowledge. Get your rest. Spend your time alone, recharge your batteries. Then go out into the world and have some fun. When you get tired, chill get a cocktail, play video games or whatever and be alone recharge and then do it again. Dont obsess over the numbers so much. There was a great post on ROK that made it simple. The three I's intoxicate,isolate,initiate. Its just that simple. Dont make it complicated. Loved Noir's story so here is one from this Tuesday night.

I was out with some clients at a busy but small fancy Italian restaurant at a large loud table of about 12 of us. I immediately noticed there was a cute waitress taking care of the whole table and she of course was very busy. I had the time and she had an ass to die for she was about 23 or 24. First thing I did was catch her eye and get the eye contact. She looked I held it then she looked down and smiled. Now next time she goes around the table I give her a little flirt nothing fancy, I am not a smooth wordsmith like some, just said "you look like you are really having fun tonight". She immediately lit up and responded back to me.

Now she starts doing most of her serving from my spot next to me on my side of the table. And then I tease her again sexualize just a little. Joking I say "girl do that again and I am going to have to punch you out" and I touched her on the arm, she giggled and immediately said "oh I would like that" then said "just kidding." She was a yes girl.

At this point it was on. She kept coming back to my side of the table. And every time i touched her again. You could feel the vibe escalating. She would even start to lean into my small touches. No one at the table noticed anything. Which made it that more sexy. It was fun and sexy. There was never a thought of how many approaches or if she was the right color, or if I am getting her approval. That would have fucked up the vibe.

At the end of the night I was going to try to number close her but my workmates were stuck to me. But it does not matter I will see her again and I will close it then if not it was fun. I tried to think back to the approaches I did this week and I could not even remember all of them, I had to think about it and back track but eventually I came up with 6 very solid strong approaches this week when traveling for work. I enjoyed the process. I am making this part of my reality part of my routine. By the way I am an introvert also. And need my rest after visiting customers all day long. But it sure can be done.

Dont burden yourself with all of these numbers and analysis. It will just slow you down. If you are not having fun what good is it?

[eradicator]

First things first. You have to become a more social person if you want to attempt daygame. Start small. Talk to people, not just girls and get in the habit of being curious and genuinely friendly Even if it is just saying "good morning' to strangers at the stop light. Sometimes you can turn this into a cool conversation.

I do not go out sarging. El mech made a good post about daygame and had suggestions like, if you are single with no pussy in your life, make sure you go to the grocery store 3 times a day for all your meals and hit on any woman you find bangable. This sort of thing was great advice to me, I am in west los angeles and live across the street from a whole foods. I get rejected all the damn time. Here is the thing, occasionally the girls actually say yes when I ask them out. Sure, there will be women that do not like you because of race or nationality or whatever, you let them go, there is no use getting upset about it, there are other girls that will not care and want to bang.

[bpryce]

(02-27-2015 04:46 AM)Noir Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 03:47 AM)bpryce Wrote:  

@noir, i appreciate the post, but i just dont have that type of outgoing personality.

Ill need to gear myself up for the approaches. Its just the way i am. I tried to dk it naturaly but the aa was too much & it felt terrible. I just want to go out in daygame mode, bang out as many approaches as possible, get numbers and follow up.

I admire your method but i just cant be that type of person without huge mental effort.

Buddy I started out like that, 8 years ago. Repetition is the father of success.

Fix up your attitude and confidence and everything will flow.

All I can do is show you the door, you gotta walk through it yourself.

i don't want to be like that though. its just not my personality and i cant think of anything worse to be honest.

[bpryce]

@captaingh, i agree its good to be realistic. Its going to be tough.getting rejected isnt fun for me in any way, no matter how many reframes i try. I will need solid results to keep myself motivated. Hopefully i get some luck quickly and have that reference experience to push me through. If its a massive failure (0/200) then i will have to regroup and find another method.

[bpryce]

@zelcorpion ive done copious online game but get rejected on sight by most women online. Ive done a lot of daygame as i said but that was pre social media. These new girls are totally different in terms of their ego and options. They just get way too much validation day to day for it not to go to their heads

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-28-2015 03:39 AM)bpryce Wrote:  

@zelcorpion ive done copious online game but get rejected on sight by most women online. Ive done a lot of daygame as i said but that was pre social media. These new girls are totally different in terms of their ego and options. They just get way too much validation day to day for it not to go to their heads

I have some family in Greece and I can imagine it is getting tougher - especially if you are black or have a Middle Eastern look (lots of immigrants now from North Africa).

Personally I would recommend going the Black Hipster route to increase appeal among women:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYuXje...dSA/videos

Forum member Distant Light goes that route.

IF you get a rejection rate of 0/200 during Daygame then you also might consider going through Krauser's Daygame material out there. Roosh's Day Bang is also good for indirect Game. Online Game is definitely tougher due to some recent changes in the last years.

[Fury]

(02-27-2015 03:02 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 03:39 AM)Noir Wrote:  

It is understandable that guys like to make distinctions between game and categorizations.

I did the same, in the beginning to distinguish styles.

This might be me in the minority but I believe, you cannot turn it on or off. Game is what it is. You're charming, magnetic, mysterious, assertive and commanding where-ever you go, day or night. The key difference is your calibration (adaptability to your surroundings and company).

I skimmed through your post however these are my two cents on daygame.

Speak to every single person. Be curious and genuinely interested. Every single girl you see. On the way to the gym. In the grocery store. In the elevator.

Smile at people. That is half the battle. Be approachable and approach. Be open and cool. Be outcome independent, you're just having fun and chatting with people with no hidden agenda. It just happens, it is your life. You speak to people, you discover cool stuff and are constantly entangling hotties into your web of charm. No charade, no silly 'can I please have your number you are so hot', no 'excuse me but..' or anything like that.

Internalize this mentality and everything will follow. Be confident in your ability to attract women and befriend men at all times and any scenarios.

If you're having trouble, act stupid. Ask silly questions and segue from there. Then you can joke afterwards how you just wanted to talk to them and you're glad they're not a strange girl etc.

After a while, you will master your own 'look' of conveying 'I am the best thing to happen to you, ever and I will fuck your brains out, 6 - love'.

Example from the past 10 minutes:

At work, went outside to have a smoke. See this hottie who I had a suspicion, worked at a hair salon due to her style and hair.

I have a girlfriend but that doesn't stop me. I cannot help myself. You got to want to speak to them. If it is your ego, then fine. If you are genuinely interested, even better. The former is when you start out and the latter is when your intentions are real.

I just smile at her and hold eye contact until she passes by me, real close.

Experience tells me:
a) she will smile back and look down or hold eye contact (either submissive or up for the challenge, either way she is keen)
b) she will open me out of 'obligation' as guys don't just check out/smile/give the look without meaning to (open means she finds me or my presence attractive)
c) she will ignore me and it is her loss. (she could be having a shit day, I don't take this personally)


She smiles and says hi, takes her spot and whips her phone out. I walk over. Note: I held eye contact for 5 seconds before she walked over and made it obvious, I was checking out her legs and then fixated on her eyes as she approached. I like to make it obvious with my look, what I am communicating and that I find them hot. I don't like to waste time.

me: do you work at xy salon?
her: ah yes but I am a receptionist
me: that's cute. will they cut my hair for free or what. I heard they are trainees
her: haha yes if you are willing to be a guinea pig
me: who cuts your hair?
her: *plays with hair* the supervisor. my hair is damaged, I dyed it blonde blabla
me: hmmm I can't picture you blonde. That's kinda hot.
her: *blushes, looks down* thanks but I prefer this. (fishing for compliments)
me: ya cool. I will visit you for a discount. I work opposite.

I finished my smoke and two of my female colleagues came up, hugged me -> social proof!

The reasons I gave this example:
- just happened, I had zero intention. Just went for a smoke and she caught my eye
- I broke it down to show the whole dynamic, you can see whats going on
- this happens all the time, it is normal. This is game, not counting and running stats through an excel sheet
- I didn't motivate myself or anything, I saw a girl I wanted to speak to and that is all. Don't care if she rejects or not. Didn't even get the number, I want to know why a girl is dressed so hot at 10AM in the morning.
- I am at work, getting paid by my company and I found 10 mins to entertain myself. Entertain yourself. Push boundaries.
- Forget about the social proof, that is the icing on the cake. Once I signaled my intentions when she entered my perimeter, I was on her mind as she was on her phone. Social proof is more of a nightgame thing than daygame (adapting)
- I ended it, because I know I will see her again. I would rather play it slowly and let the seeds be planted than rush it and get her number. This is calibration and experience. Calibration as she works near me and don't want to mess with logistics just yet. Experience because I know that I will have to 'sell myself' more to get the number and her not to flake.

Girls just want to be taken, you just gotta step up.

They want you to be awesome and will throw hurdles, you just gotta follow through.

Distinctions with daygame/nightgame/p4p help and are useful but superfluous if you can just calibrate.

You seem daunted because you are basing your sexual needs, emotional expectations and everything else you value from a woman into X amount of approaches. It is like you're playing a game and you have X amount of tries.

What I am saying is create unlimited tries. I flirt with any and every woman. All kinds, races, ages, heights, weights whatever. Fuck. I will have banter with gay guys. It is entertaining and you learn about women. Rejection is silly and worrying about it even worse. Expose yourself.

You're already rejecting yourself with your outcome dependent mentality. Let the women reject you instead of yourself before you even begin.

edit:

Just saw you're in Greece. I get your issue with colour, as a Greek, you are completely in the right. Just accept it and adapt.

I believe my advice is still valid however, pick out hip hop clubs and other cliche things. That is the culture. Otherwise, learn how to dance bouzouki and tolerate 45 year old Greek singers crying about their ex-wives and clean up in those clubs.

Daygame should be fine if you pick your venues correctly.

Nonetheless, give what I said a go and be cool with everything. Just stay away from Golden Dawn areas. Just kidding.

Kali epitixia.

"Yeah dating white women is hard in your location. So what lots of things are hard. Try being 52 and getting a 22YO. lol Its fucking hard. But it can be done. And when I get into that young pussy it is heaven. You seem like a classic introvert. That means socializing and interacting with a lot of people is tiring for you. And to recover from that you need alone time. Understand this understand yourself. And then proceed with this knowledge. Get your rest. Spend your time alone, recharge your batteries. Then go out into the world and have some fun. When you get tired, chill get a cocktail, play video games or whatever and be alone recharge and then do it again. Dont obsess over the numbers so much. There was a great post on ROK that made it simple. The three I's intoxicate,isolate,initiate. Its just that simple. Dont make it complicated. Loved Noir's story so here is one from this Tuesday night."

This is Knowledge right here. I think I have some similarities with you Bpryce. I am a well put together black man and a selectively social introvert (I can be charming and outgoing when absolutely necessary). One key difference is that I am in the Netherlands which is a very favorable place for me as a Black American. I do understand where you are coming from in regards to day gaming. The foundation for success in day gaming incorporates many characteristics that are not favored by introverts. However it is as Reco said, just have to go out there meet your "quota" of socializing. I believe overall that helps in many aspects beyond just talking to women. If the rejection and typical bullshit from women gets old or overwhelming, fall back and unwind. Once you have recharged, get back out there.

As you mentioned, it is a different dynamic now that most people have tinder, facebook, instagram and whatever else. Women have access to a list of legitimate suitors at the press of a button. This means a little more rejections and a little more difficult day gaming but as everyone else has mentioned, it just takes a little more approaches. My advice as a fellow introvert that finds day gaming tedious: find an extroverted wingman/best friend, and look into the day gaming tips and anecdotes from the experienced members on this forum.

I'm no lady killer and I still get rejected but reading select threads and posts on this forum have made me slightly more efficient and talking to women has become less tedious.

[bpryce]

(02-27-2015 03:02 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

"you look like you are really having fun tonight". She immediately lit up and responded back to me.

Dont burden yourself with all of these numbers and analysis. It will just slow you down. If you are not having fun what good is it?

I really like that line.

As for the numbers/analysis, I think it's just the way i am set up mentally. I can't change. I will have to know (round about) where I am and how much success I'm having (or not having). I'm gearing up for a daygame stint though. Indirect and direct also, I'll be mixing it up. I'll only know after I give it a try but im in a tough position. Good news is I don't want loads of girls, just one quality one. Bad news is that it might take months of hard rejections daily to get there. Whether or not I make it will probably depend on how well I cultivate my inner psychopath.

[bpryce]

(02-28-2015 04:28 AM)Fury Wrote:  

This is Knowledge right here. I think I have some similarities with you Bpryce. I am a well put together black man and a selectively social introvert (I can be charming and outgoing when absolutely necessary). One key difference is that I am in the Netherlands which is a very favorable place for me as a Black American. I do understand where you are coming from in regards to day gaming. The foundation for success in day gaming incorporates many characteristics that are not favored by introverts. However it is as Reco said, just have to go out there meet your "quota" of socializing. I believe overall that helps in many aspects beyond just talking to women. If the rejection and typical bullshit from women gets old or overwhelming, fall back and unwind. Once you have recharged, get back out there.

As you mentioned, it is a different dynamic now that most people have tinder, facebook, instagram and whatever else. Women have access to a list of legitimate suitors at the press of a button. This means a little more rejections and a little more difficult day gaming but as everyone else has mentioned, it just takes a little more approaches. My advice as a fellow introvert that finds day gaming tedious: find an extroverted wingman/best friend, and look into the day gaming tips and anecdotes from the experienced members on this forum.

I'm no lady killer and I still get rejected but reading select threads and posts on this forum have made me slightly more efficient and talking to women has become less tedious.

Good post. Holland is a place I've wanted to scope out but the language is a big hindering block. I'm planning on getting out of Greece within the next year. I guess I am just trying to get realistic about the rejections/hardships I'm going to face now due to the subtle effects of social media. My main fear is that I lose my resolve and give up. I also don't want to blame myself because I don't think there is anything wrong with me and I'm not going to let PUA make me think I have issues I don't have. I'm a cool guy, I've got cool friends, I've had some hot girlfriends in the past. I'm socially saavy. Daygame is something that is completely unnatural and will come across weird in some cases, which there is no avoiding. All I can do is present myself well, and work off whatever interest she's giving. YOu can't have a one way conversation. So my main fear was what if I just get loads of rejections and stop. I'm trying to condition myself to the mindset of "Yeah, you'll get loads of rejections, keep going and finish the experiment anyway so you can use the data".

But make no mistake, I'll be approaching as best I can and when I go direct I'll be doing it with full intent and (fake) belief. Fake because it's obvious that no matter how much I tell myself I'm her match, there will be many girls who disqualify me on sight and then have pleasantry type conversation. But I'll be doing my best acting job, thats for sure. Who knows, I might get lucky early.

[Distant Light]

#1 you have horrible inner game, while I didn't read through all the replies which just skimming seems to be some good advice already given...

However, being someone who's almost never done any online game (played with tinder realized it was a waste) I can tell you non-online oriented ways of meeting people is MUCH BETTER. You will not build the character that comes with interacting with people face to face.

What happens when you meet a cool girl that you want to keep around? You'll have no life or any basic social skills to "hold your own" in social settings. That's why most community guys lock themselves in the house with their chick under the excuse of "don't bring sand to the beach".

Reason I'm stating this...
- I'm black
- Majority of women I fool around with, 95% of them that I've actually fucked in the past 5 years were...white (I've never fuck an asian chick nor indian)
- I got into this "community" through daygame (I was a late bloomer to alcohol)
- I'm a 25 year old man who can't wait for the end result of 10 more years of development (One of my biggest influencers is a 50+ year old man who before his current gf used to hookup with tons of models)
- "Your desire to have an LTR when you don't even have abundance" Usually this is a sign of bad inner game, any decent girl willing to have an LTR you'd jump at. HOWEVER, if you had choice of a vast amount of women you wouldn't be so eager.
- You're outlook on rejection...It's just horrible (will get in at bottom)

One thing I advise for all is this fantasy of "easy" or "hard" as someone else said in this thread game is YOU not an "on/off" switch. Build the character through personal experiences and actual change to reap the benefits of "ease". As much as I hear it's easy elsewhere for "blacks" being someone who's never been elsewhere and consider things very easy/relaxed in NY...

For all we know I could bomb hard elsewhere (although highly improbable)

Way I see it, if a chick can like you and have sex, then you're atleast appealing enough that "someone" is willing to hookup. All you need to do now is be efficient and grow beyond your current state. Don't be scared to daygame IMO online game is only profitable due to the possibility of pipelining. Way I've always seen thing is "if a chick interacts with me face to face it is highly likely at the very least she'll enjoy being in my presence" (I've experienced, tested, proven, and re-tested this over and over)

Re-read your post from the perspective of a girl..why would a chick like a dude who has no self worth? Can't even handle abit of rejection. What happens when you're actually with her? How can she feel comfortable or you to lead or handle anything that might come up?

Start valuing yourself, too many people act like women are doing us a favor by having sex with us. Don't believe the hype nor be fooled by the hilarity of "romantic comedies" as the woman side of things are far worst with less support. This is why I view me meeting women as an opportunity to potentially change a woman's life.

Go daygame, have fun, live it up bruv!!!

[reco2100]

@Distantlignt that is some awesome stuff brother. It is all about yourself. The greatest discovery you will ever have is yourself. I believe that was the Buddah who said that and it is so true. Hell you have no control over what she is doing or feeling or reacting. You only have yourself.

Understand yourself, know yourself, then you will be able to function like you need to. You will be the man that a woman wants, you will have the value she is looking for.

@Distantlight I have to read what you wrote a couple more times. There is some good shit there.

Can you elaborate on the 50yo dude you learned from? This is near and dear to me since I am still at novice sucess levels but improving and I am 52.

Also +1 rep point from me.

[Distant Light]

(02-28-2015 01:11 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

@Distantlignt that is some awesome stuff brother. It is all about yourself. The greatest discovery you will ever have is yourself. I believe that was the Buddah who said that and it is so true. Hell you have no control over what she is doing or feeling or reacting. You only have yourself.

Understand yourself, know yourself, then you will be able to function like you need to. You will be the man that a woman wants, you will have the value she is looking for.

@Distantlight I have to read what you wrote a couple more times. There is some good shit there.

Can you elaborate on the 50yo dude you learned from? This is near and dear to me since I am still at novice sucess levels but improving and I am 52.

Also +1 rep point from me.

He's the guy at the start of video holding champagne bottle

I used to see this guy roll in with a mixed group ALWAYS upbeat "working the room". Supposedly over the decades he slowed down on the drinking (and drugs) but similar to how I am now he never hungout 1 on 1 and likes hot girls...

He said he has a hard time dealing with his relationships because they rarely get 1 on 1 time with him which gets them irritated. Hanging and interacting with him, you'd think he was in his 30s and everywhere he is, is his home. (He says he views the clubs as his home, he's a curator strategically bringing people together)

His current gf & His Crew...



Key things that stood out from day 1...
- Dude is very upbeat he genuinely wants people to be in a fun mood (This is huge)
- He focuses on others (more on that later) he rolls into a club with a mixed group, greets people, make sure they're having a good time then BAM he's gone (Similar to what you seen in video, didn't see him rest of night)
- I've never seen him interact with someone longer than 2-3mins (I 1st spoke to him 1 on 1 while he was outside waiting for a group of girls to show up)
- He doesn't "calibrate" he just be and let people deal with it
- Very giving (As much as he hangs around luxury he tries to cut out the pretensious aspect)

Everytime I seen him I'd think "damn that's me when I'm 50", although he looks old his energy is better than most young dudes I know.

P.S...His friend who is like 45 dates an ex-VS model, he did say when he was younger he used to hookup with alot of models, he got interested in nightlife because of hot women.

[civpro]

^ And how do you achieve that without being a millionaire?

[Patrickstar]

(02-28-2015 04:01 PM)Distant Light Wrote:  

he did say when he was younger he used to hookup with alot of models, he got interested in nightlife because of hot women.

are you talking about the guy in the pic?

anyways he looks like an interesting guy. is there a reason why his interactions are 2-3 mins long?