[Simeon_Strangelight]

I received the little Info-email today by 20Nation from Swooptheworld.

The list was interesting enough to me to post it here - it is the basic compilation of ratings for Game-aware women-loving men:

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Comparing the 3 Pussy Paradises and The West
Comparisons
Now I will give all of you a comparison in one place of the three pussy paradises: Latin America (LA), South East Asia (SEA) and Eastern Europe (EE) combined with the place that IS NOT a pussy paradise, The West (TW).

Percentage of bangable girls:
SEA: 75%
LA: 50%
EE: 60%
TW: 20%

Faces of girls:
SEA: 6/10
LA: 9/10
EE: 10/10
TW: 7/10

Bodies of girls:
SEA: 6/10
LA: 10/10
EE: 8/10
TW: 5/10

Personalities of girls:
SEA: 7/10
LA: 8/10
EE: 8/10
TW: 3/10

Easiness of girls to date:
SEA: 10/10
LA: 8/10
EE: 7/10
TW: 3/10

Easiness of girls to one night stand:
SEA: 10/10
LA: 8/10
EE: 5/10
TW: 8/10

Cost of living:
SEA: 800$ a month
LA: 1000$ a month
EE: 1200$ a month
TW: 3000$ a month

20Nation has detailed ratings of 100 countries which he and his Swooptheworld companions traveled always of course from the viewpoint of Game and not sight-seeing and haute cuisine.

http://swooptheworld.com/world-women-ran...est-women/

I have no affiliation with those guys, don't get paid to post their stuff and have not met them personally, but I appreciate a good product when I see it.

Based on my own experiences, they are pretty accurate. Of course there are some substantial differences between the individual countries, but the overall rating system for the global areas of pussy is valid.

What I miss is a run-down of African poon. Maybe they will brush up on that later on.

Also I would be interested to know whether you gents can actually confirm the ratings?


Also they have those 3 "pussy-paradise-areas" in a bit more detail online - info is quite valid there too:

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South East Asia
As many of you know, the main pussy paradises of the world are found in 3 areas: Eastern Europe, Latin America, and South East Asia. You can go to these areas and find beautiful, feminine women that you have a real shot at being with.

Today in the first part of this message I will talk to you about South East Asia

What types of guys should choose South East Asia?

Guys that like short, thin and feminine girls with tight vaginas
Guys that have yellow fever
Older guys because SEA is the most accepting pussy paradise of a large age difference
Guys with little to no game. It's the best place in the world for guys who need to see some success and get their confidence up.
Guys who want to sleep with huge numbers of girls. If you come to SEA with some game you can actually sleep with 3 women a day: http://swooptheworld.com/how-to-bang-3-w...ilippines/
Guys who don't have much money. SEA is probably the cheapest place to live and travel in the world, you don't need much money to stay here

Negatives about this pussy paradise

Poverty and not great living conditions
Limitless average and above average girls, but harder to find stunners
Most of South East Asia is hot, but a great escape from winter
Beware of lady boys. Lady boys are hardest to spot and most common in SEA

Best Countries: Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia (Click to read more about these places)

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Latin America
As many of you know, the main pussy paradises of the world are found in 3 areas: Eastern Europe, Latin America, and South East Asia. You can go to these areas and find beautiful, feminine women that you have a real shot at being with.

Today in the second part of these newsletters, I will be talking about Latin America

What types of guys should choose Latin America?

Guys that like curvy women with plenty of tits and ass
Guys that like passionate, caring women. Latin women really know how to take care of a man, in bed and out of bed
Older guys because LA is accepting of an age difference, although not as much as SEA
Guys who speak Spanish or are ready and willing to learn. This is very important because a lot of Latin girls don't speak English. On top of that they are a very social culture, so communication is important
Guys who want to sleep with the whole package. Face, tits and ass. Unlike South East Asia, there are a lot of true stunners walking around Latin America
Guys on a budget. While LA isn't as cheap as SEA, it is still very cheap by Western standards

Negatives about this pussy paradise

Poverty and not great living conditions. With the exception of Mexico and a couple other countries, I also don't think Latin American food is that great
More spectrum from ugly to hot. Not as consistently bangable girls as SEA
Most of Latin America is hot, but a great escape from winter
Of all the pussy paradises, Latin America is by far the most dangerous. However, don't let this sway you from traveling there because by following simple rules (don't go to atm alone or at night, don't be in the wrong areas at the wrong time, don't look for trouble, etc.) you can have a very safe trip to one of my favorite pussy paradises


Best Countries: Colombia, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Mexico and Cuba (Click to read more about these places)

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Eastern Europe
As many of you know, the main pussy paradises of the world are found in 3 areas: Eastern Europe, Latin America, and South East Asia. You can go to these areas and find beautiful, feminine women that you have a real shot at being with.

Today, the final part of the Choosing Your Pussy Paradises posts I will talk about The tall leggy blondes in Eastern Europe

What types of guys should choose Eastern Europe?

Guys that like white girls
Guys who like women with colored eyes (blue, green, etc.) and guys who likes blondes or redheads
Older guys can still do well here, just like all of the 3 pussy paradises, an age difference is accepted
Guys who are looking for a trophy girlfriend or trophy wife
Guys who want to see the most stunning faces in the world
Guys who like the typical model look: tall, leggy and thin
Guys who like their women to look and act especially feminine
Like Latin America you will find more 10's than almost anywhere else in the world

Negatives about this pussy paradise

You need some game or more money to do well with Eastern European women
It's cheap, but not as cheap as the other two pussy paradises: LA and SEA
Eastern Europe has very cold winters
The language barrier can be a big problem in many parts of Eastern Europe

Best Countries: Poland, Ukraine, Romania (Click to read more about these places) (I have many more articles coming to http://www.swooptheworld.com very soon on Eastern Europe)

I posted their free promotional material here, but even that list is so concise that it should give Western men out there a good overview of where to focus their dicks first to get literally the most bang for their buck.

[Bushido]

Great info. I think it should be in the Travel section though.

[heavy]

Interesting post, appreciate it. Great summary

So, make money in the west and spend it everywhere else. Either get a job where you can travel substantially, or get a location independent income based in the west and live elsewhere.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-17-2015 04:54 PM)dreambig Wrote:  

Great info. I think it should be in the Travel section though.

You are right - there is a Travel section now.

[lavidaloca]

Great post but I'm not sure I'd quite agree with the cost of living. I mean $1000 for Latin America? That seems excessively low to me.A decent pad probably will cost $500+ / month. That leaves you $17 a day to live not factoring in food and flights. I could make it work on those numbers but I sure as heck wouldn't want to.

[WanderingSoul]

Cost of living is definitely not $800 per month in Thailand, definitely not in Bangkok. Don't come here expecting to live on that. It's double that if you drink at all and want to live in something other than a Thai style shoebox apartment.

I also know 20 Nation wrote that Insanity nightclub is the best club in Bangkok, when in reality it is filled with hookers and one of the worst clubs in the city. I don't think he ever went to RCA or Thonglor. No offense to 20, but online game and Insanity is scraping bottom of the barrel in Bangkok. I don't think he had a very good handle on the city at all so I'd take his Bkk info with a grain of salt.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-18-2015 12:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Cost of living is definitely not $800 per month in Thailand, definitely not in Bangkok. Don't come here expecting to live on that. It's double that if you drink at all and want to live in something other than a Thai style shoebox apartment.

I also know 20 Nation wrote that Insanity nightclub is the best club in Bangkok, when in reality it is filled with hookers and one of the worst clubs in the city. I don't think he ever went to RCA or Thonglor. No offense to 20, but online game and Insanity is scraping bottom of the barrel in Bangkok. I don't think he had a very good handle on the city at all so I'd take his Bkk info with a grain of salt.

All major cities have by far greater living costs. The Swooptheworld crew is very price-conscious. 20Nation once said that in many countries he spends something like 3-5$ / bang. Of course some South American countries have massive housing problems and 1000$ won't cut it.

As far as some Thailand clubs are concerned - in some places those guys fucked the hookers for free and actually did is as part of their routine in places where the hottest girls were at least part-time escorts. By the way - that also holds true for hot girls living in the West & EE. You would be surprised how many have sugar-daddies nowadays. Meeting them on some arrangement seeking sites is a valid opportunity for men with Game, because those girls still want their Alpha Fucks experiences.

The list is a general one and is valid only in that respect. Also sometimes a club deteriorates within 2 years fast from a Game perspective, so highly specific data-sheets are valid for a short time generally.

[Enigma]

(02-18-2015 04:44 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

All major cities have by far greater living costs. The Swooptheworld crew is very price-conscious. 20Nation once said that in many countries he spends something like 3-5$ / bang. Of course some South American countries have massive housing problems and 1000$ won't cut it.

$800 is not the budget anywhere, outside of maybe a handful of cities.

I know where 20 stayed in Davao, and it's $500 a month. That leaves $10 for food, transportation, phone, dates, laundry, basic necessities, etc.

$3 to $5 is cab fare. Two coffees is another $6.

That's not to say $800 isn't doable, but it's not CLOSE to the standard of living you'd get in the US at $3,000/month. It's also something most guys here aren't going to find comfortable or desirable.

I'm also a little confused about the part where SEA girls are a 10/10 for ease of one night stands, while the West is only an 8/10.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-18-2015 05:44 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

$800 is not the budget anywhere, outside of maybe a handful of cities.

I know where 20 stayed in Davao, and it's $500 a month. That leaves $10 for food, transportation, phone, dates, laundry, basic necessities, etc.

$3 to $5 is cab fare. Two coffees is another $6.

That's not to say $800 isn't doable, but it's not CLOSE to the standard of living you'd get in the US at $3,000/month. It's also something most guys here aren't going to find comfortable or desirable.

I'm also a little confused about the part where SEA girls are a 10/10 for ease of one night stands, while the West is only an 8/10.

It's sufficient for Game. 1000$ is a good wage in most of EE and many young guys no have trouble surviving on that. In SEA and SA it's even less.

I think that the monthly costs do not really include constant AirBnB and hotel rates, because otherwise it's going to be much more expensive.

You would have to rent a cheap, but central and adequate apartment - 1200$ is absolutely sufficient in EE. You can rent a good one for 400$, which leaves you 800$ for living expenses. If you cook at home - which is more healthy anyway, then you have plenty of cash to go out often.

3000$ in the West obviously is constructed on the same lines - you spend some 800-1000$ on rent and have 2000$ left for expenses. The run-down is very realistic for long-term stays.

[WanderingSoul]

(02-18-2015 04:44 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 12:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Cost of living is definitely not $800 per month in Thailand, definitely not in Bangkok. Don't come here expecting to live on that. It's double that if you drink at all and want to live in something other than a Thai style shoebox apartment.

I also know 20 Nation wrote that Insanity nightclub is the best club in Bangkok, when in reality it is filled with hookers and one of the worst clubs in the city. I don't think he ever went to RCA or Thonglor. No offense to 20, but online game and Insanity is scraping bottom of the barrel in Bangkok. I don't think he had a very good handle on the city at all so I'd take his Bkk info with a grain of salt.

All major cities have by far greater living costs. The Swooptheworld crew is very price-conscious. 20Nation once said that in many countries he spends something like 3-5$ / bang. Of course some South American countries have massive housing problems and 1000$ won't cut it.

As far as some Thailand clubs are concerned - in some places those guys fucked the hookers for free and actually did is as part of their routine in places where the hottest girls were at least part-time escorts. By the way - that also holds true for hot girls living in the West & EE. You would be surprised how many have sugar-daddies nowadays. Meeting them on some arrangement seeking sites is a valid opportunity for men with Game, because those girls still want their Alpha Fucks experiences.

The list is a general one and is valid only in that respect. Also sometimes a club deteriorates within 2 years fast from a Game perspective, so highly specific data-sheets are valid for a short time generally.

How much time have you spent in Thailand to make these statements? And how many nights have you spent partying with the Swoop crew in Bangkok to think you know how they roll and what they do?

I've lived here for 3 years. The hottest girls are not at Insanity. Not now, and not 2-3 years ago either. Anyone who has lived here knows that is way off the mark. It's probably the same as telling Roosh that DC is the best place to pick up quality girls.

You make a broad statement like "As far as some Thailand clubs are concerned - in some places those guys fucked the hookers for free and actually did is as part of their routine in places where the hottest girls were at least part-time escorts."

So, which BKK clubs have you been to? Which ones have the hottest girls who are actually part time hookers?

Yes, some of the hottest girls are part time hookers, but they are not part time hookers who get banged out for 2,000 baht a pop by old white guys and backpackers in flip flops at Insanity. They are mia nois (little wife) for rich Thai men, or they are B rate actresses and models who fuck politicians and rich businessmen on the side.

As far as what the Swoop crew did, I already know. I know both THC and Fisto pretty well and keep in touch. I know how they roll. THC and I were out partying together on NYE. Fisto and I were sending voice messages back and forth last week.

Zelcorpion, you're out of your element.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-18-2015 06:11 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

As far as what the Swoop crew did, I already know. I know both THC and Fisto pretty well and keep in touch. I know how they roll. THC and I were out partying together on NYE. Fisto and I were sending voice messages back and forth last week.

Zelcorpion, you're out of your element.

My statement was a general one. I have no experience with Thailand, only Singapore and Japan and in those countries 800$ is not going to cut shit.

SEA is still waiting for me.

As far as that club or Thailand in general is concerned - I take your word for it.

[YardDog]

$800 a month in Manila?

I guess you could live in the real Manila, eat rice and bang 5s and 6s off FC/DIA for $800 a month. But $800 for a Western style life, live in the prime areas, roll to clubs and bang the hot, middle class and up girls? No way. It's not cheap here.

I can't imagine doing less than 2K a month for my lifestyle here.

[Enigma]

(02-18-2015 05:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

It's sufficient for Game. 1000$ is a good wage in most of EE and many young guys no have trouble surviving on that. In SEA and SA it's even less.

I think that the monthly costs do not really include constant AirBnB and hotel rates, because otherwise it's going to be much more expensive.

You would have to rent a cheap, but central and adequate apartment - 1200$ is absolutely sufficient in EE. You can rent a good one for 400$, which leaves you 800$ for living expenses. If you cook at home - which is more healthy anyway, then you have plenty of cash to go out often.

3000$ in the West obviously is constructed on the same lines - you spend some 800-1000$ on rent and have 2000$ left for expenses. The run-down is very realistic for long-term stays.

Local style apartments in the US and Europe are not comparable to local style apartments in SEA. It's apples and oranges.

For instance, I've never lived anywhere in the US that didn't have central heating and air; I've never lived anywhere in the Phils that did. Dishwashers are another given in the US that are practically nonexistent here. And that's including the nice, Western style condos.

Both of my points stand:

- The standard of living in SEA at $800 is not close to the standard of living in the US at $3,000

- $800 is doable, but it's not what most men on this predominantly Western forum are going to be comfortable with.

Are you comfortable bathing with a pail and dipper? Are you comfortable cooking all your meals somewhere that doesn't have hot water, an oven, a full stove, a microwave, etc.?

It's not like I'm saying guys need to break the bank to live here, but $800 is a shoestring. At least plan for $1,000 to $1,200. More in Manila or Cebu.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-18-2015 06:56 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

- The standard of living in SEA at $800 is not close to the standard of living in the US at $3,000

- $800 is doable, but it's not what most men on this predominantly Western forum are going to be comfortable with.

Are you comfortable bathing with a pail and dipper? Are you comfortable cooking all your meals somewhere that doesn't have hot water, an oven, a full stove, a microwave, etc.?

It's not like I'm saying guys need to break the bank to live here, but $800 is a shoestring. At least plan for $1,000 to $1,200. More in Manila or Cebu.

Point taken.
There are options of living that cheap for sure - you could shack up on some remote island and survive easily on 800$, but for Game those kind of locations are difficult. A friend of mine has been doing that.

As far as living expenses are concerned - one of the major factors is housing (in central location) and availability of that.

Currently you have the strange fact that it is easier to survive in EE or even in Eastern Germany or Berlin than in some much poorer countries, because you have massive population growth there and hardly any public/decent housing.

[Chaos]

This generalisation is ridicilous.
Living on 800$ a month in Manila?
Good luck and have fun!

No thanks, I'd rather stay home.

[Chaos]

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[rudebwoy]

75% of the girls in Asia are bangable?

C'mon Bro!

[YardDog]

@Zel - Yeah, I was chatting with a RVFer the other day that lives in Poland and he says it's cheaper there than in Manila. In some cases by a long shot according to him. That's not something people would expect.

[Bushido]

Seems like Manila is an extreme market for rental property.

It's made out as if in Manila it's either slum living or $700+/month rent. That shit is approaching Tokyo where I paid $900/month in the best area possible. Doesn't make sense to me. Meanwhile some of the girls I talk to stay in dorms for $30/month. Why isn't there a middle ground?

[WanderingSoul]

(02-18-2015 09:29 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Seems like Manila is an extreme market for rental property.

It's made out as if in Manila it's either slum living or $700+/month rent. That shit is approaching Tokyo where I paid $900/month in the best area possible. Doesn't make sense to me. Meanwhile some of the girls I talk to stay in dorms for $30/month. Why isn't there a middle ground?

I've never been to Manila, but I asked someone about it. In Bangkok there is accommodation for every price range. $100 a month up to as much as you want to spend. Right now I live in a 40ish square meter one bedroom condo with washing machine, soft and really nice queen sized bed, flat screen tv, etc. for $450 per month. You can get a similar place for $350 per month in a studio version of about 30 square meters.

I was told the reason this type of thing doesn't exist so much in Manila is because there isn't the same size middle class there as in BKK. Bangkok has a very large, and growing, middle class. So these mid range priced condos are in high demand. But I was told in Manila the middle class is still very small in comparison, so you have cheap accommodation for the poor people, and expensive accommodation for the upper class.

Anyone know if there's much truth to that?

[The Llort]

(02-18-2015 07:18 AM)YardDog Wrote:  

@Zel - Yeah, I was chatting with a RVFer the other day that lives in Poland and he says it's cheaper there than in Manila. In some cases by a long shot according to him. That's not something people would expect.

(02-18-2015 07:18 AM)YardDog Wrote:  

@Zel - Yeah, I was chatting with a RVFer the other day that lives in Poland and he says it's cheaper there than in Manila. In some cases by a long shot according to him. That's not something people would expect.

The Phillipines is isolated. The long supply chain makes imports expensive.

But yea, SEA as a whole isn't the bargain destination that it used to be. The economies have been growing rapidly for decades and generally in a high-growth environment...prices rise accordingly.

EE, particularly Ukraine is much better value at the moment. The depressed economic situation keeps the price levels low.

Just look at Kiev vs. Bangkok on numbeo. Aside from eating out, Kiev is a heck of a lot cheaper. And that's probably not factoring the recent devaluations.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-18-2015 10:04 AM)The Llort Wrote:  

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EE, particularly Ukraine is much better value at the moment. The depressed economic situation keeps the price levels low.

Just look at Kiev vs. Bangkok on numbeo. Aside from eating out, Kiev is a heck of a lot cheaper. And that's probably not factoring the recent devaluations.

Prices in Ukraine are very similar to most of Eastern Europe. If that graph is anyhow valid, then Thailand has become more expensive than part of the EU.

[lavidaloca]

I think part of the reason for 20's low cost of living suggestions comes down to simply how he games. I think he pretty much just does online game and spends the absolute minimum possible on dates i.e. $1 ice cream dates.

I don't get the impression THC and Fisto live on remotely similar budgets to 20Nation.

For me the minimum to live how I'd like to live is about $3,000 a month including in 3rd world countries. Although I find $4,500+ the sweet spot where I live really well.

$3,000 a month in the US would be alright if you simply had rent as basically your only big outlay. But what about when you like many 20 somethings have student loans, drive to work etc. That $3,000 a month quickly evaporates.

[The Llort]

(02-18-2015 10:15 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 10:04 AM)The Llort Wrote:  

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EE, particularly Ukraine is much better value at the moment. The depressed economic situation keeps the price levels low.

Just look at Kiev vs. Bangkok on numbeo. Aside from eating out, Kiev is a heck of a lot cheaper. And that's probably not factoring the recent devaluations.

Prices in Ukraine are very similar to most of Eastern Europe. If that graph is anyhow valid, then Thailand has become more expensive than part of the EU.

Yea, it's kind of absurd. I'm not sure one can justify living in a 3rd world dive like Manilla and paying through the nose for it, when you have beautiful EU cities that are significantly cheaper.

I think we're going to see a big shift away from SEA to EE in the near future, at least with the location independent crowd.

[Cyclone]

(02-18-2015 05:44 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

I'm also a little confused about the part where SEA girls are a 10/10 for ease of one night stands, while the West is only an 8/10.

This.
Half of SEAsia is extremely conservative. It doesn't make much sense to compile all these countries into 1 group for this category, but even if averaged out, it would be more like 5/10 (unless you like getting hookers)
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