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(04-26-2011 01:40 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

Roosh offers training? Didn't know that.

Not sure if he still does, but he definitely did at some point:

http://www.rooshv.com/category/day-game

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[mho]

If anything, I think the most important consideration is establishing yourself as an expert, much like how Roosh is considered an expert at game. Pricing, or more accurately sales will take care of itself once you have the credibility. The difficulty will be in the credibility; testimonials, your own experience, all that stuff is great, but time is probably just as important a factor, as are 'rubs' from other credible sources for this type of information. I think your experiences are rather unique, so your product will be as well, and there is certainly a market for this, but again, I think credibility will be your biggest challenge.

Why do I say this?

I did a startup in NA with a new product that was 10x superior version to what was currently available on the market. It was a consumer/enterprise hybrid, and we actually offered it for free to the decision makers, and we had a dedicated sales team pushing this. Even with all those advantages, the biggest pushback we got was credibility, over and over again. If selling a free product in person is hard, imagine how tough your situation will be without it. Build credibility, start today (sounds like a bad infomercial) in the public domain, like your website, which seems not to have been updated for a while, and focus your efforts on places other than forums like this with a very limited supply of your target audience.

At least, that's what I would do given my experiences.

And for the record, I do think your method works, I've had 8 internships in my university career so I can see your methods have the ring of authenticity. I'm just not sure your main concern should be pricing at the moment.

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(05-05-2011 08:03 PM)mho Wrote:  

If anything, I think the most important consideration is establishing yourself as an expert, much like how Roosh is considered an expert at game. Pricing, or more accurately sales will take care of itself once you have the credibility. The difficulty will be in the credibility; testimonials, your own experience, all that stuff is great, but time is probably just as important a factor, as are 'rubs' from other credible sources for this type of information. I think your experiences are rather unique, so your product will be as well, and there is certainly a market for this, but again, I think credibility will be your biggest challenge.

Why do I say this?

I did a startup in NA with a new product that was 10x superior version to what was currently available on the market. It was a consumer/enterprise hybrid, and we actually offered it for free to the decision makers, and we had a dedicated sales team pushing this. Even with all those advantages, the biggest pushback we got was credibility, over and over again. If selling a free product in person is hard, imagine how tough your situation will be without it. Build credibility, start today (sounds like a bad infomercial) in the public domain, like your website, which seems not to have been updated for a while, and focus your efforts on places other than forums like this with a very limited supply of your target audience.

At least, that's what I would do given my experiences.

And for the record, I do think your method works, I've had 8 internships in my university career so I can see your methods have the ring of authenticity. I'm just not sure your main concern should be pricing at the moment.

Thank you for your response Mho. Coincidentally I am providing free consultations to about ten people right now and leading them through the process. They've all agreed to give me testimonials in one form or another.

Also, yes, rooshvforum is definitely not the main target of my efforts to network and gain brand equity. I rely on Asia expat forums, linkedin, international career forums, and other related sites to gauge interest and get feedback. I just post here so guys might get some insight on my strategies and techniques, not necessarily to milk it for potential sales.

Outside of getting testimonials I want to give guest lectures at places like embassies, chambers of commerce, universities, and other such social-proof bearing organizations.

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(05-05-2011 09:16 PM)youngmobileglobal Wrote:  

(05-05-2011 08:03 PM)mho Wrote:  

If anything, I think the most important consideration is establishing yourself as an expert, much like how Roosh is considered an expert at game. Pricing, or more accurately sales will take care of itself once you have the credibility. The difficulty will be in the credibility; testimonials, your own experience, all that stuff is great, but time is probably just as important a factor, as are 'rubs' from other credible sources for this type of information. I think your experiences are rather unique, so your product will be as well, and there is certainly a market for this, but again, I think credibility will be your biggest challenge.

Why do I say this?

I did a startup in NA with a new product that was 10x superior version to what was currently available on the market. It was a consumer/enterprise hybrid, and we actually offered it for free to the decision makers, and we had a dedicated sales team pushing this. Even with all those advantages, the biggest pushback we got was credibility, over and over again. If selling a free product in person is hard, imagine how tough your situation will be without it. Build credibility, start today (sounds like a bad infomercial) in the public domain, like your website, which seems not to have been updated for a while, and focus your efforts on places other than forums like this with a very limited supply of your target audience.

At least, that's what I would do given my experiences.

And for the record, I do think your method works, I've had 8 internships in my university career so I can see your methods have the ring of authenticity. I'm just not sure your main concern should be pricing at the moment.

Thank you for your response Mho. Coincidentally I am providing free consultations to about ten people right now and leading them through the process. They've all agreed to give me testimonials in one form or another.

Also, yes, rooshvforum is definitely not the main target of my efforts to network and gain brand equity. I rely on Asia expat forums, linkedin, international career forums, and other related sites to gauge interest and get feedback. I just post here so guys might get some insight on my strategies and techniques, not necessarily to milk it for potential sales.

Outside of getting testimonials I want to give guest lectures at places like embassies, chambers of commerce, universities, and other such social-proof bearing organizations.

Oh yeah youngmobileglobal.com is dead, I dont update it anymore. I"ve got a new one being built right now that is totally unrelated.

Sounds like a good plan. You may also want to look at how Seth Godin and Tim Ferris built their followings, because you're selling a very similar product and while I don't know Seth's story, I do know Tim had what at that time was an innovative strategy, which was to meet prominent bloggers in person at conferences and such, make friends with them, up to a year in advance of the launch of his first book, and basically have them promote him when the book was launched. Have fun!

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Damn Mho, good idea. I've already got an article published on a popular expat e-zine and that by itself is going to give me massive traffic. I'm going to take your advice and start reaching out to some bloggers.

Since I'll likely end up in SE Asia while launching my biz I think I'll look for the ones that are over there. I get the feeling that Bangkok, Bali, and the Philippines are three locations where a lot of them tend to cluster.

Does anyone know prominent bloggers or other people who are in SE Asia at the moment?

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YMG,
Dan Andrews (Tropical MBA) is in the Philippines; and a bunch of other of his disciples if you will are roaming between BKK and Bali. PhoenixAbroad is one of them and is currently in Bali.
I totally agree with mho that going to conferences and meet in person the big dogs is an awesome way to make some terrific contacts. Remember, it's not about who you know, but who knows you...

You're on the right track man. Keep it up.

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Thanks VP, I'll get in touch with them. Btw VP, if we both end up BKK or somewhere in SE Asia together, we should make a list of events and conferences that will be beneficial for both of us in our blog/product launch stage.

Phoenix Abroad, you're in Bali now? I'd love to meet up and grab a beer.

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Does anyone know who else is in SE Asia these days?

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Did this ever launch?

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It's in test/beta mode as several select people are going through it.

So far so good.