[rampage]

First of all, let me say that I am no game hater and this is no "meltdown". I believe this is an awesome forum and believe most of you guys are great people. I would just like to share my perspective on this topic.

My hypotesis: Red pill men are ignorant and in delusion

Lately I have been watching Chinese version of the Sex and the City series (I watch it for language learning purpose only) and I realized one very important fact of modern times dating - either is a guy gonna hurt the girl or a girl is gonna hurt the guy. Dating with sincery feelings, where man or woman doesnt just try to use the other person is almost nonexistent.

1. Players are made by sluts, and sluts are made by players

We all like to blame the feminists and modern day western women. We like to put the blame on them but in reality, players are as guilty for the fucked up society as are the feminists. We all like to blame girls for sleeping with many guys and at the same time encourage guys to sleep with many girls. I know, men and women are different, I agree to an extent. Let me elaborate.
When a player meets a nice girl, a girl that wanna have a nice boyfriend and settle down and then this very player pumps and dumbs her because he doesnt wanna settle down and be only with her becuase fucking around is more fun, than the girl that got dumped will eventualy become a slut after few guys do the same thing to her. And we cant blame her. She will develop defense mechanism. She became a slut because of the players. Players make sluts.
With every girl that a player around the world dumps we are making more sluts and more girls that dont want to settle down anymore because they dont wanna get hurt again. So these girls eventually become like players, they dont wanna settle down anymore and they just wanna use guys for physical pleasure, because they dont wanna get hurt again. And after she fucks few guys she gets messed up in the head and she becomes a broken good, even if she wanted to she can never become a nice girl that can settle down with one guy again. Same thing happens with guys, many guys get hurt by sluts, then they learn game and start using girls only for physical pleasure and never want to settle down again. Guys and girls that become players and sluts also dont wanna settle down because fucking around is just more fun, they become let loose and can hardly settle down again. There is a reason why the Bible condems that kind of behaviour. If people dont obey the word of God things go wrong. But this kind of life is not the life to live, and ultimately doesnt bring as much happyness as a sincere relationship does (or did, to people that lived in the past). Life where we only seek physical pleasure is selfish and degenerate. Whats gonna happen to our society in 20 years? Who is gonna properly bring children up?

2. Players and sluts aging

Now we also like to believe that men have it so much better than women when it comes to aging. I realize its not really that much of the difference, exception are rich men, but then again women can also be rich. Men can indeed take care of them self, go to gym etc, but women can do the same thing. There are actually very few men in their 40s, 50s that are banging hot young girls. And lets not forget there are many "MILFS" that are getting banged by good looking young guys also. So from this point of view, men and women have it pretty much the same.
3. Players and sluts going abroad for sex
We also like to believe that men have it so much better becuase when we get older we can simply go to poorer countries and bang young sluts all day long, and we feel great about that. But older women can do this also, and are doing that already going to Africa and Carribean and even places like Bali to get fucked by young guys. Encouraging older men to go abroad and fuck young slut but shaming on old women that do the same is stupid. We cant expect good morals from women if we also have corrupt morals.

4. Conclusion : current dating situation doesnt favor men at all, men and women are both having it bad

I believe men are more responsible for the current situation, because we are stronger, we are leaders, we can change things and we are the only ones that can change things. Continue to live life as degenerate people only seeking physical pleasure is not a way. Whats gonna happen with our society in 20 years? Or even 10 years? Its getting worse day by day. World is soon only gonna be made of players, sluts and betas. "Good girls" are gonna be vanished. With every foreigner in EE, LA or SEA that pumps and dumbs the local girl one more slut is made. We blame women on the west for being sluts but on the other hand we are making sluts around the world and we are feeling great about ourselfs doing that.
Banging sluts is not a great achievment as many would like to believe. Changing world for the better is an achievement.
We, men, are the ones that can change something, and its our duty to do so. Men in history died to make the world better. We dont have to die, there are surely other ways. But first we need to change our delusional thinking and stop being selfish degenerates seeking only physical pleasure.

Napoleon wanted to bring back the glory to his motherland France, Hitler wanted to make Germans live a prosperous life after years of humiliation, Martin Luther King Jr. dedicated his life fighting for equality of black people and a 21st century International player wants to make an online business so he can bang as many sluts as possible.

[dads]

[JoyStick]

Lets man up and wife up these skanks!

[IvanDrago]

[Horus]

(12-06-2014 11:39 AM)rampage Wrote:  

Now we also like to believe that men have it so much better than women when it comes to aging. I realize its not really that much of the difference, exception are rich men, but then again women can also be rich.

Dudes don't talk like that. I smell a whore.

[Dr. Howard]

So you're saying its just an escalation of the sex arms race? I sort of agree. Traditional marriage and slut shaming were like 'arms treaties' between warring nations. Those treaties have expired or been violated, hence the cold war style increase in defense and rhetoric to gain the sexual upper hand.

[Dr. Howard]

(12-06-2014 11:56 AM)Horus Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:39 AM)rampage Wrote:  

Now we also like to believe that men have it so much better than women when it comes to aging. I realize its not really that much of the difference, exception are rich men, but then again women can also be rich.

Chicks don't talk like that. I smell a whore.

Someone establishing a 3 year old sleeper troll account would be some dedication. I disagree with your spider sense.

[Lord_Perseus]

Ooh boy here we go

[Days of Broken Arrows]

"When a player meets a nice girl, a girl that wanna have a nice boyfriend and settle down and then this very player pumps and dumbs her because he doesnt wanna settle down and be only with her becuase fucking around is more fun, than the girl that got dumped will eventualy become a slut after few guys do the same thing to her. And we cant blame her."

1). Odds are she isn't a "nice girl."

2). Women choose. Men display. Women have to pick these players. If they stopped picking players, none would exist.

3). Women can spot "creeps" and "losers" from a mile away. It's naive to think they can't spot players as well. They choose them anyway, then whine about it.

4). Computer labs and businesses are filled with sexless nerds who would get on their knees for these women -- and have better financial prospects than most players. Women know this. Any guesses as to why women aren't seeking out these guys? "Big Bang Theory" has made them fashionable, after all.

5). This post ignores the evolution of sex roles after 1970. Which I won't go into. If anyone wants background on that, I recommend the "Home Economics" series of articles by F. Roger Devlin, one of the manosphere's "fathers."

[iop890]

This has been done before.

[rampage]

(12-06-2014 11:56 AM)Horus Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:39 AM)rampage Wrote:  

Now we also like to believe that men have it so much better than women when it comes to aging. I realize its not really that much of the difference, exception are rich men, but then again women can also be rich.

Chicks don't talk like that. I smell a whore.

1. You insulted me. Men of high status dont have to insult a nobody like me. Usually empowered western women try insult men if they dont have anything smart to say. Feminist trait.
2. You tried to be funny. Failed. Usually empowered western women think they are funny while they are just silly. Feminist trait
3. You showed lack of intelligence. (as Dr. Howard explained). Usually empowered western women try to be smart while they are actually stupid. Feminist trait

Good job : )

[Bacchus]

(12-06-2014 11:39 AM)rampage Wrote:  

Lately I have been watching Chinese version of the Sex and the City series (I watch it for language learning purpose only)

[Glaucon]

Haha,

Love was always an arms race, not a blissful coexistence.

[Horus]

(12-06-2014 12:10 PM)rampage Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:56 AM)Horus Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:39 AM)rampage Wrote:  

Now we also like to believe that men have it so much better than women when it comes to aging. I realize its not really that much of the difference, exception are rich men, but then again women can also be rich.

Chicks don't talk like that. I smell a whore.

1. You insulted me. Men of high status dont have to insult a nobody like me. Usually empowered western women try insult men if they dont have anything smart to say. Feminist trait.
2. You tried to be funny. Failed. Usually empowered western women think they are funny while they are just silly. Feminist trait
3. You showed lack of intelligence. (as Dr. Howard explained). Usually empowered western women try to be smart while they are actually stupid. Feminist trait

Good job : )

Men don't use the phrase "empowered western women." We don't use the word "silly."

[Cyr]

The broad thrust of your argument is ok, but, as DoBA said earlier in the thread, there's a chicken and egg situation youve gotten confused. I don't believe that the current arms race would have come about without changing gender roles over the last 40-50 years (due to feminism and broader social change). Players might be aiding and abetting the current status quo, but they arent responsible for the development of it.
Also, I thought this line needed work:

"My hypotesis: Red Pill men are ignorant and in delusion".

Aside from being needlessly insulting, you should have at least used spellcheck before making general assertions about the board's intelligence.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Your arguments are similar used by MRAs and Traditionalists.

"You Players and manipulative Game using men just make a bad situation worse!"

Let me tell you something:

I remember a post written by a Red Pill blogger that women can end this sluttery by next week. The reason for this is, that if 10%, 30%, even 70% of men would stop fucking carousel-riding women in their teens and 20s, then just 30% would be in the clubs and they would have to line the bitches up in rows to bang them. How many men should stop having sex? 90%??! 95%? Even in that case the women would fuck the remaining 5%.
The other side however would be by far different. When 20% of girls (of all stages of attraction) decide to marry a good man, then 20% of men are off the market and off the clubs. The remaining girls react by restraining their sexuality too, since so many of their friends are more chaste and slut-shaming is generally used by girls and not by men. In the end, if only 20-30% of attractive girls stop riding the carousel, it would have a stupendous effect on the sexual market place.
In contrast if 30% of men stop having sex, it would not matter AT ALL, since 60-70% of the men young hot women can do without - they are not having sex with them anyway. The remaining 30% do not matter if they stay at home. Plenty of studs left to fuck them once a week.

You think that PUAs and Sluts are created by the same powers? Nonsense.

Feminism was financed and is still supported by the whole fucking plutocracy, the political structure, the big corporate money, academia & the entire entertainment and media complex.

What about Players? I mean real Players and not Playboy dating advice of the likes of: Be rich, be handsome, be suave and girls will love you!

No - the entire Game and Player science had to be created by men due to the changes brought by women of the sexual market place over decades! If the internet were not here, we would still be mostly clueless, because men would hardly be able to compare notes & experiences.

If 90% of men stopped fucking without marriage, the remaining 10% would pick up the pace. Your arguments are similar to feminists who claim that it is enough to teach men to stop raping women, since 1% of men might actually do such a thing. That thought is about as idiotic as saying that all criminals should stop doing crime!

You are either clueless here or a troll-MRA. -

I see - banned already. That settles it.

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With every foreigner in EE, LA or SEA that pumps and dumbs the local girl one more slut is made. We blame women on the west for being sluts but on the other hand we are making sluts around the world and we are feeling great about ourselfs doing that.
Banging sluts is not a great achievement as many would like to believe.

Didn't read the whole post - rampage was either a woman or a completely Game-denying Omega.

Banging sluts is not a big achievement? Players fuck good girls, married girls and some high-notch-count sluts. The arguments are those used by women and the words and arguments used point to OP being a woman, who was fucked by a visiting Western Player in Slovenia.

Now the question is: Who dunnit? Roosh? Krauser? Anyone? It wasn't me, because I only have Slovakian flags so far.

[Samseau]

I do not believe the players create sluts hypothesis, because

1. Women do the majority of dumping, look at who initiates divorce most.
2. Players have always existed and yet things have never been so bad.
3. Most women who got pumped and dumped in the past then learned from their mistake and settled with a beta. They may have been ruined emotionally but pragmatically they would learn the value of a beta.

So really, players did not do that much damage, because women weren't so damn slutty in the past. Today's rampant easy sex era fucked everything up, and regular men are forced to become players or suffer trying to get relationships with damaged hoes who can divorce rape them.

[Captain Gh]

Damn Zelcorpion Ethered that Rampage fool!

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-06-2014 12:43 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I do not believe the players create sluts hypothesis, because

1. Women do the majority of dumping, look at who initiates divorce most.
2. Players have always existed and yet things have never been so bad.
3. Most women who got pumped and dumped in the past then learned from their mistake and settled with a beta. They may have been ruined emotionally but pragmatically they would learn the value of a beta.

So really, players did not do that much damage, because women weren't so damn slutty in the past. Today's rampant easy sex era fucked everything up, and regular men are forced to become players or suffer trying to get relationships with damaged hoes who can divorce rape them.

Good points - Plus - 70-80% of men have no desire to become Players, because that lifestyle takes energy, determination, discipline, a strong drive etc. They want to just become better with women, get a cute girlfriend and wife and be happy fucking her (with an occasional whore or mistress after years). The actual figures could be even higher and the PUA bootcamp participants back this up. Most just become better with women and get a hotter girlfriend or wife.

[Kamikaze]

Bitch said Napoleon, Hitler, and MLK Jr were great men, in the same sentence.

[Slim Shady]

I really want to believe in "nice" women today. God I really want to believe in nice girls. But even the purest will give in to attention whoring and playing the men they have around them the minute they get the chance. It's in their DNA.

It's like in Casino Royale when Bond drops his armor and the bitch eats him up.

It always reminds me of a song by my favorite band, The Doors.

"I found an island in your arms, country in your eyes..." but wait for the rest of it "...arms that chain us, eyes that lie. Break on through to the other side"

[Dismal Operator]

(12-06-2014 11:39 AM)rampage Wrote:  

I believe men are more responsible for the current situation, because we are stronger, we are leaders, we can change things and we are the only ones that can change things...

Banging sluts is not a great achievment as many would like to believe. Changing world for the better is an achievement.

Women are responsible on the front end. Every man ever is going to go for a bang as quickly as possible, it's just biology. Strictly on that level, we're only here to survive and reproduce. It's up to the women to perform 'quality control' on the front end and say 'no sex for you because you're not good enough.' The man must then go out and develop, acquire or create XYZ and then try again from a better position. In undertaking these efforts with a view to securing sexual access, the world is changed for the better in the process. That's how it's worked since the beginning of time more or less.

If women are not going to perform their due diligence and spread their legs with continuing ease, men have no incentive to do anything else but try and bang sluts. On the back end men are responsible because they're still willing to commit to sluts. Look at this nonsense:

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After sleeping with 10,091 men over 12 years in a drug and alcohol induced haze, former escort Gwyneth Montenegro is finally ready to settle down and experience true love for the first time.

The 36-year-old received an astounding 80 marriage proposals after the last time the Melbourne resident spoke to Daily Mail Australia in July about the launch of her book, 10,000 Men and Counting.

The overwhelming response to the insight into her former seedy lifestyle got Gwyneth thinking that maybe she was ready to meet a good man - something she never felt comfortable doing when being paid $500 to $1000 an hour to have sex with well-known lawyers, politicians and musicians.

In the chronology from 'stable civilisation' to 'fucked up wasteland,' the original sin is women not keeping their legs closed. If they were forced to bear the full consequences of their actions, they would, as a group, revert to sensible behavior. Instead, men commit to sluts, either willingly or by force via taxes, social programs and the legal system. The solution is forcing everyone to be truly accountable for their actions.

Any woman who truly wants a relationship isn't going to allow a man to fuck her before she has a high degree of certainty that the guy is legit and is capable of taking care of her/her kid if she gets pregnant and won't do a runner. That's pretty much impossible to ascertain within the timeframes that most chicks give it up so they're inherently engaging in reckless behavior which they will not be held to account for should a 'mistake' happen. That messes up the competing incentives men and women have and just leads to a downward spiral in the end.

[vinman]

   

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This argument is like a zombie, rising over and over. At this point there must be at least a dozen massive posts debunking the trolls sprouting this shit.

[Foolsgo1d]

Players adapted to the market forces. Feminism changed it.