[Constitution45]

In the be all end all, these are dysfunctional people, actually to put it simply, they are shit people.
Thankfully I stay away from these freaks and even more fortunately, in my environment they just receive no energy. One fat turkish girl was posting a tirade the other day, in regards to Victoria Secret selling a sexualised...blah blah blah. But it was just obvious for me and everyone else, that she is ugly, overweight, bitter about it because she can't get a man who would sweep her off her feet and roger her senseless. Of course without harming her ego, she has to turn this into some political personification, while feeding the destructive culture which is ironically leaving her in such a limbo in the first place.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

So I shared the article on my FB wondering what kind of reaction I'd get - just got this beauty of a comment:



Multiple English errors, 2/10 WNL (would not like.) Plus the gratuitous ad hominem to boot.

HSLD

[Helmutnl]

That is one tough ugly woman right there surely WNL

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Good Looking Loser just had a good post on the hierarchy in college as sex on college was mentioned in the article.

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/co...ege-part-2

   

The funny thing is that if 100% of girls were slim, there would not be any incels on their side. Even fat ugly girls get laid, but what they usually do wrong is that they chase the same men the hot girls do.

The pyramid is only going to get more extreme in the future.

In life after college the sexual market place follows along the same parameters.

The top of the pyramid looks like this:

   

while most men either have to work hard via Game to come to an even approximate sex-life. No wonder that many men check out, since at least in past times they could easily attract a woman just by being a good man with a stable job and have a young wife in her prime.

[Samseau]

Of course most men are going to check out, because the game is zero-sum. One guy's lay is another guy going without sex for a month.

All of these men checking out precipitates Western's civilization's ultimate bankruptcy and collapse.

[It_is_my_time]

(12-07-2014 01:06 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Good Looking Loser just had a good post on the hierarchy in college as sex on college was mentioned in the article.

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/co...ege-part-2



The funny thing is that if 100% of girls were slim, there would not be any incels on their side. Even fat ugly girls get laid, but what they usually do wrong is that they chase the same men the hot girls do.

The pyramid is only going to get more extreme in the future.

In life after college the sexual market place follows along the same parameters.

The top of the pyramid looks like this:



while most men either have to work hard via Game to come to an even approximate sex-life. No wonder that many men check out, since at least in past times they could easily attract a woman just by being a good man with a stable job and have a young wife in her prime.

That chart is awesome.

It is a sad representation of what happens when women get equality. Their hypergamy and nonstop rationalization ensures that civilization is crushed as the beta males check out and the rule of law soon follows suit without the tax base to cover it.

I might be a little older than most here. When I was in college there was no such thing as PUA. If you wanted a girl you dressed nice, you were polite and fun. You used (what today we call kino) after a few beers, and you were good to go.

Today a guy can be damn near perfect. Dress right, great posture, have a little backing, great future, have game, and they will struggle night in/night out.

[MdWanderer]

(12-07-2014 01:06 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Good Looking Loser just had a good post on the hierarchy in college as sex on college was mentioned in the article.

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/entry/co...ege-part-2



The funny thing is that if 100% of girls were slim, there would not be any incels on their side. Even fat ugly girls get laid, but what they usually do wrong is that they chase the same men the hot girls do.

The pyramid is only going to get more extreme in the future.

In life after college the sexual market place follows along the same parameters.

The top of the pyramid looks like this:



while most men either have to work hard via Game to come to an even approximate sex-life. No wonder that many men check out, since at least in past times they could easily attract a woman just by being a good man with a stable job and have a young wife in her prime.

I can relate to this almost to a tee. I was in a fraternity in college and we had a few minorities (including myself). NONE of us got laid at all with the exception of this Latino guy (and his gf was a fresh off the boat foreigner who knew basic English so he was one of the few guys that could communicate with her). There were no white incels, and if there was, they basically walked into pussy without trying after a while. I finally got laid by an Asian girl who I dated for a month using sterling game at the age of 22. One of our chapter presidents was an Asian dude who was a DJ. Graduated a virgin despite the high SMV.

The big elephant in the room is minority women on college campuses. They chase white dick even more aggressively than their white female counterparts.

[Samseau]

So the article posted in the OP got nearly 14K comments. Only other articles I see on the net with more comments are race articles. This is the second largest issue of our time, and the manosphere is one of the driving forces behind this.

We are becoming powerful, gentlemen. Roosh in particular as the leader will stand to benefit the most from it.

[Cattle Rustler]

So will spreading the word about game or just let guys die off be the option?

The choice is yours gentlemen.

[Samseau]

(12-08-2014 05:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

So will spreading the word about game or just let guys die off be the option?

The choice is yours gentlemen.

Game cannot save these men, or Western civ in general. Game is zero-sum.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-36481.html

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(12-08-2014 05:55 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

So will spreading the word about game or just let guys die off be the option?

The choice is yours gentlemen.

Game cannot save these men, or Western civ in general. Game is zero-sum.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-36481.html

Then it seems the only way to save men - to save Western civilization - is for the manosphere to roll back feminism as far as we can, till Game becomes little more than an anachronism.

So the question is:

- Is it worth it?
- If it's worth it, do we want to do it?
- If we want to do it, how can we do it?

HSLD

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(12-08-2014 06:18 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:55 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

So will spreading the word about game or just let guys die off be the option?

The choice is yours gentlemen.

Game cannot save these men, or Western civ in general. Game is zero-sum.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-36481.html

Then it seems the only way to save men - to save Western civilization - is for the manosphere to roll back feminism as far as we can, till Game becomes little more than an anachronism.

So the question is:

- Is it worth it?
- If it's worth it, do we want to do it?
- If we want to do it, how can we do it?

HSLD

1) It's worth it, because the alternative is unimaginably worse
2) I'd personally like for it to happen, as would most men. Only a small portion of A) very successful players and B) brainwashed beta/omega white knights would disagree.
3) We can't do it. Only a painful meeting with the hard laws of nature can stop feminism. It's beyond the power of any single person or organization's powers of persuasion, or even coercion.

I might be overly pessimist, but I think that's just how it is.

[infowarrior1]

(12-08-2014 06:28 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:18 AM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:55 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:16 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

So will spreading the word about game or just let guys die off be the option?

The choice is yours gentlemen.

Game cannot save these men, or Western civ in general. Game is zero-sum.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-36481.html

Then it seems the only way to save men - to save Western civilization - is for the manosphere to roll back feminism as far as we can, till Game becomes little more than an anachronism.

So the question is:

- Is it worth it?
- If it's worth it, do we want to do it?
- If we want to do it, how can we do it?

HSLD

1) It's worth it, because the alternative is unimaginably worse
2) I'd personally like for it to happen, as would most men. Only a small portion of A) very successful players and B) brainwashed beta/omega white knights would disagree.
3) We can't do it. Only a painful meeting with the hard laws of nature can stop feminism. It's beyond the power of any single person or organization's powers of persuasion, or even coercion.

I might be overly pessimist, but I think that's just how it is.

Demographic Winter is the result:

Just ignore the fem-centric bias and you will see that this documentary is quite excellent. In the end religious fundamentalist patriarchal peoples will inherit the earth. If things are not turned around.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Game won't solve things for every man. We need a complete change of our morality.

In 1960, a single mother would have been considered an immoral woman. Now she's not.

In 1960, a man paying for an "arrangement" would have considered and immoral man. He still is.

Why has "progressive" change only been of benefit to women? Why were women so quick to declare themselves above judgement -- yet men still shame each other and themselves?

The fact is, in some ways, the closest you're going to get to the classic male-female thing your grandfather had is with an arrangement. In his day, he made the money and the wife stayed home -- and often had no means to earn anything outside the house.

This is what feminism sought to upend. There is no way to put it back, short of bringing Sharia Law into the country. So, I think an "end run" around it would be to encourage guys not up for game to look into arrangements.

A few more points:

1). This is what really rich men do, although it's often not spoken of as such. And the lower class almost doesn't marry at all. The only men who buy into the whole romance-house-eternity bullshit anymore is middle class guys.

2). The idea that you have to "earn" the girl and not "buy" her is situational morality. You're ultimately buying her, whether it's with your time, or youth, or a house. How come the retroactive "payments" on the ex-wife are declared moral, but payments in advance aren't? Because society says so?

3). We need to recognize not all men are going to be able to get with the game concept. Some men are just awkward. Yet they might be great engineers or computer programmers.

If a guy is smart enough to design something great, but not good with women, maybe we need to stop saying he's the problem. Maybe we need start thinking that if women have become too stupid to recognize greatness, then they deserve to be bought (and thought of) like products, because as "people" they're ruining society.

From what I'm getting from this article, this might be the only way out for some younger guys and is probably better for older guys than tethering themselves to a new aging hag.

Modern society is built on the lie of there someday being "equality" between men and women. You will never have a society of "equals" so long as everything you see out your window was put there by a man. The fact that society asks us to now build relationships on the lie of "equality" is reason enough to question whether men should be in any at all.

[infowarrior1]

(12-08-2014 07:58 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Game won't solve things for every man. We need a complete change of our morality.

In 1960, a single mother would have been considered an immoral woman. Now she's not.

In 1960, a man paying for an "arrangement" would have considered and immoral man. He still is.

Why has "progressive" change only been of benefit to women? Why were women so quick to declare themselves above judgement -- yet men still shame each other and themselves?

The fact is, in some ways, the closest you're going to get to the classic male-female thing your grandfather had is with an arrangement. In his day, he made the money and the wife stayed home -- and often had no means to earn anything outside the house.

This is what feminism sought to upend. There is no way to put it back, short of bringing Sharia Law into the country. So, I think an "end run" around it would be to encourage guys not up for game to look into arrangements.

A few more points:

1). This is what really rich men do, although it's often not spoken of as such. And the lower class almost doesn't marry at all. The only men who buy into the whole romance-house-eternity bullshit anymore is middle class guys.

2). The idea that you have to "earn" the girl and not "buy" her is situational morality. You're ultimately buying her, whether it's with your time, or youth, or a house. How come the retroactive "payments" on the ex-wife are declared moral, but payments in advance aren't? Because society says so?

3). We need to recognize not all men are going to be able to get with the game concept. Some men are just awkward. Yet they might be great engineers or computer programmers.

If a guy is smart enough to design something great, but not good with women, maybe we need to stop saying he's the problem. Maybe we need start thinking that if women have become too stupid to recognize greatness, then they deserve to be bought (and thought of) like products, because as "people" they're ruining society.

From what I'm getting from this article, this might be the only way out for some younger guys and is probably better for older guys than tethering themselves to a new aging hag.

Modern society is built on the lie of there someday being "equality" between men and women. You will never have a society of "equals" so long as everything you see out your window was put there by a man. The fact that society asks us to now build relationships on the lie of "equality" is reason enough to question whether men should be in any at all.

You should watch this(Or rewatch):

[It_is_my_time]

(12-08-2014 07:58 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

If a guy is smart enough to design something great, but not good with women, maybe we need to stop saying he's the problem. Maybe we need start thinking that if women have become too stupid to recognize greatness, then they deserve to be bought (and thought of) like products, because as "people" they're ruining society.

Excellent post. I just wanted to follow up on this.

Past wisdom, and wisdom in 80%+ of the world today is that women were simply never smart enough to recognize great men. A woman's brain and body is designed to have children with whatever alpha male took her. But we can't live like cavemen. Civilization ensures the human species advances and ensures survival.

But our brains and bodies are still much the same, if not identical, to the caveman days. Men still fight over territory all the time, and it still turns women on who ever wins.

That is why for generations and generations and in most the world today you either have direct arranged marriages or indirect arranged marriages (dad would not approve of some guys and would have no chance at all as it is up to him).

For the last 40 years or so, in the western world, women have had free choice. And their decisions wide and far is...

- Piss away their youth getting drunk, getting high, and fucking random DJ's, bartenders and club promoters. Treating the higher quality men with real success and bright futures like shit while chasing after some drop out that is working at a club.

- Then thinking after taking 100 cocks for 10 years they can magically land one of the higher quality men they treated like shit for years on end. All the while they have nothing to offer but and old used up body, credit card debt, and no personality.

The end result is the ghetto. Single mother households and the violence/uncivilized life that follows suit.

The elephant in the room is that a woman is not designed to compete against men or enter the male world. And men need to not only recognize this, but push to end this madness before we lose everything.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-08-2014 08:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

The end result is the ghetto. Single mother households and the violence/uncivilized life that follows suit.

There is no way out of the morass. Game & the Red Pill in combination would help all men - even those who don't learn or apply Game to attract enough women. Even a rudimentary understanding of the Red Pill might help them avoid marriage or being caught by some barely-pre-wall-carousel-rider.

That is actually what is happening now - the majority of men in the 'sphere are not becoming Players - they either dabble a bit, become MGTOWs, MRAs, shut-ins, focus on their work, buysexuals etc. It does not affect the sexual market place much.

And despite our real and imagined chest-thumping I don't believe for one second that the Red Pill will EVER GO MAINSTREAM. It has nothing to do with popularity, because some of us could become fantastic stars as many men as well as quite a few women would watch shows led by Roosh, Christian McQueen or Krauser done on different topics based on their own expertise. The potential success is not the question here, it is the ideology itself which runs counter towards anything that is supported nowadays.

We may be happy about the failed UVA-rape-hoax and all the fake rapes that are now blown wide.

But gents - the feminist laws are still in place and become worse by the day, the new generation is indoctrinated into the same shit every day and young college students apologize publicly for their fucking white heterosexual male able-bodied privilege before giving a comment in class. The media will take a few steps back and maybe some extreme idiotic perception like rape culture will be shelved for now. But Sauron's armies will keep on marching on, because Sauron is very much alive - feminism is still supported by the entire plutocracy and the natural innate feminine imperative is still listening to their drivel as women believe that it serves them well.

2 steps forward, one step back - this is their half step back. Unless something grand happens, all of this will be much worse in 10 years.

Regardless - I personally mention Red Pill & Game to practically anyone. If someone is not into it, then I let it drop, but otherwise I give men a chance to break free.

[bojangles]

Great posts from DOA and it_is_my_time.

My simple solution is a world war.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-08-2014 08:35 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:17 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

The end result is the ghetto. Single mother households and the violence/uncivilized life that follows suit.

There is no way out of the morass. Game & the Red Pill in combination would help all men - even those who don't learn or apply Game to attract enough women. Even a rudimentary understanding of the Red Pill might help them avoid marriage or being caught by some barely-pre-wall-carousel-rider.

That is actually what is happening now - the majority of men in the 'sphere are not becoming Players - they either dabble a bit, become MGTOWs, MRAs, shut-ins, focus on their work, buysexuals etc. It does not affect the sexual market place much.

And despite our real and imagined chest-thumping I don't believe for one second that the Red Pill will EVER GO MAINSTREAM. It has nothing to do with popularity, because some of us could become fantastic stars as many men as well as quite a few women would watch shows led by Roosh, Christian McQueen or Krauser done on different topics based on their own expertise. The potential success is not the question here, it is the ideology itself which runs counter towards anything that is supported nowadays.

We may be happy about the failed UVA-rape-hoax and all the fake rapes that are now blown wide.

But gents - the feminist laws are still in place and become worse by the day, the new generation is indoctrinated into the same shit every day and young college students apologize publicly for their fucking white heterosexual male able-bodied privilege before giving a comment in class. The media will take a few steps back and maybe some extreme idiotic perception like rape culture will be shelved for now. But Sauron's armies will keep on marching on, because Sauron is very much alive - feminism is still supported by the entire plutocracy and the natural innate feminine imperative is still listening to their drivel as women believe that it serves them well.

2 steps forward, one step back - this is their half step back. Unless something grand happens, all of this will be much worse in 10 years.

Regardless - I personally mention Red Pill & Game to practically anyone. If someone is not into it, then I let it drop, but otherwise I give men a chance to break free.

That is actually what is happening now - the majority of men in the 'sphere are not becoming Players - they either dabble a bit, become MGTOWs, MRAs, shut-ins, focus on their work, buysexuals etc. It does not affect the sexual market place much.

I would argue it does affect the sexual marketplace. I know scads of women over 30 (and especially 40), who can't find good men -- or any men who will commit. Men's dropping out has an effect.

The reasons men aren't becoming players needs to be looked into. My biggest player years were ages 18-21. Why? Because back then there I has incentive: lots of women who were thin and not poisoned by the feminist-industrial media complex.

Maybe I'm just jaundiced, but I don't see the same incentives out there. If there were, guys would be doing what I did. Hell, I'm not doing what I used to do, either.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(12-08-2014 09:02 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

That is actually what is happening now - the majority of men in the 'sphere are not becoming Players - they either dabble a bit, become MGTOWs, MRAs, shut-ins, focus on their work, buysexuals etc. It does not affect the sexual market place much.

I would argue it does affect the sexual marketplace. I know scads of women over 30 (and especially 40), who can't find good men -- or any men who will commit. Men's dropping out has an effect.

But see, that's the "laws of nature" at work, not "manosphere teachings".

All these hordes of men dropping out are not due to having read a masterfully written RoK article, but because of being unable to attract any women, let alone (relatively) decent and pleasant ones. These women don't need them because the state is providing for them, and don't want them because it brings them more satisfaction to spend their lives hamsterizing about Alphas who won't commit rather than lower standards and get with a Beta.

If these used 35+ and 45+ women actually showed any interest in these MGTOWs, MRAs, herbivores and the rest of the dropped-out crowd, you can bet that these guys would jump at the chance. Why do I claim this? Well, just remember Mark Minter and his "top that motherfuckers" turnaround.

For every Cardguy who vehemently refuses to even talk to a woman his age, let alone date or marry her, there is a guy who will be overjoyed to take her over the crushing celibacy (which porn and personal fulfillment can only dull so much). Remember the old saying: "There are no atheists in the trenches."

I posit that men leaving the sexual marketplace is not due to being red-pill (be it player or herbivore), but due to having 0% chance with attracting women even their age.

The number of these men will continue growing as long as the female disinterest in them continues growing. At some of this point, this will burden the government in an unsustainable way, causing a collapse.

This collapse will have nothing to do with manosphere teachings. They are just a drop in the pool. The main factor is, as it has always been, female preferences.

[philosophical_recovery]

(12-08-2014 09:19 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I posit that men leaving the sexual marketplace is not due to being red-pill (be it player or herbivore), but due to having 0% chance with attracting women even their age.

The number of these men will continue growing as long as the female disinterest in them continues growing. At some of this point, this will burden the government in an unsustainable way, causing a collapse.

This collapse will have nothing to do with manosphere teachings. They are just a drop in the pool. The main factor is, as it has always been, female preferences.

That's pretty dark, but the thought reminds me of the grasseaters in Japan. I'm not sure if I have reached that level of pessimism yet. We have only seen the very beginning of the redpill leaking into the mainstream with Breitbart. It may cause unrest instead of a gelding like in Japan.

I agree with you, the collapse is coming. I just don't know what form it'll take. The inertia is inherent, and had nothing to do with the manosphere. The manosphere will just have a growing say in what that collapse looks like.

[Glaucon]

Until women change nothing will change. Only a total governmental collapse and/or another major war will break the current Big Daddy society. And ironically when that happens, more men die than women, because who is going to fight? Yes, men.

We are screwed either way. Would you risk your life to have a chance turning women around? I say "Fuck that shit!"

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-08-2014 09:19 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

The number of these men will continue growing as long as the female disinterest in them continues growing. At some of this point, this will burden the government in an unsustainable way, causing a collapse.

This collapse will have nothing to do with manosphere teachings. They are just a drop in the pool. The main factor is, as it has always been, female preferences.

Ay - well spoken - I too know some career women in my family who seemingly cannot find the right man. But alas when you just sift through their online presence you see many professional employed Betas sucking up to them even as they are in their mid-30s. The problem is of course that they have stopped dating Alphas around 30 and still desire them more than anything.

And yes - there may be some women who ardently wish for some provider Beta at an advanced age, but no one is taking them partly due to their crazy Alpha-widow attitudes, but also due to ever worsening economic times - wealth is not increasing anywhere in the West despite claims to the contrary by the media.

The few Red Pill men hardly matter here. All those examples you gents name here about Breitbart and some large think-tank anti-feminists like Christina Hoff-Sommers are literally nothing against the mountain that opposes them - banking, finance, politics, the entire educational complex, all UN long-term programs (which are more influential than anyone thinks). Even when the Times sometimes publishes an anti-feminism article or gives some PUAs good publicity - they then write 100 articles for feminism in the weeks after and the Hollywood indoctrination complex shits out 10 rom-com-how-to-be-a-better-Beta comedies that influence the population. But yeah - marketing does not work on men - eh? Only, when they are aware of it can they see through the lies.

[the high]

The key to getting laid if you're not at the top of the social hierarchy pyramid is to find a niche. You may not be Bon Jovi but you may be able to be The Mars Volta.

Where guys screw themselves is when they become too focused on certain archetypes i.e. all-american white girls. All-american white girls[in America] are like 1st round draft picks; everyone's pining for them. There's a whole range of girls from different ethnicities, cultures and subcultures to choose from, especially on a college campus. As a minority growing up in a relatively small college town I struggled until I found my niche which was hipsters/alternative chicks of varying ethnicities.

Or you can always go overseas...

[The Reactionary Tree]

^^In Manila, I was the first round draft pick lol. I never got so much attention from women.

I'm a fairly attractive (cute), slightly chubby (working on it), well-dressed 5'9" white guy with a somewhat muscular upper body. Getting stares from women everywhere I walk, they wave & smile at you. On Tinder, both the quality and the quantity was infinitely better than what I was getting in the US. Plus, they're feminine, know how to assume traditional gender roles despite being working independent women.

They always worry about getting fat. One girl was like, "I need to go to the gym, I'm getting chubby." I asked her how much she weighed. She said, "115 lbs." Whereas here in the USA, the average woman weighs 160 lbs and they're never fat, they're "big & beautiful" and should be accepted for who they are and their inner beauty (which they have none of).

God I miss the Philippines lol