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Korwin-Mikke, the far-right Polish leader whose deal gave Ukip more power in Brussels, reveals his views on Hitler and rape

Dapper in bow tie and blazer, Nigel Farage’s new European ally likes to welcome a woman to his grey-walled, grey-carpeted Brussels office by stooping to kiss her hand. There is a danger, though, that he will follow up this display of old-fashioned courtesy by sharing some old-fashioned views about her inferiority.

Janusz Korwin-Mikke is the eccentric head of Poland’s Congress of the New Right. With his agreement, a member of the party, Robert Iwaszkiewicz, has just joined Ukip’s parliamentary alliance, Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy (EFDD), pushing it over a threshold of 25 parliamentarians from seven countries and thus securing more than £1m in funding for Ukip alone.

A friend in need is a friend indeed. But Korwin-Mikke has the potential to be an embarrassing ally. For instance, he thinks women’s opinions are shaped by the sperm of the men they sleep with, that they are “on average” less clever than men, and that nearly half of women who tell a man they don’t want to have sex with them are feigning reluctance and should be ignored.

“Semen probably is not wasted, because nature usually makes use of the material it has, and there is a hypothesis that the attitudes of men are passed to women by way of the semen which penetrates the tissue,” he told the Observer, in the tone a science teacher might use for a basic lesson.

Giggles only prompt an admonition. “It is not a political statement. There is a very strong argument for this hypothesis, that now when contraceptives are much more in use, the women become much more independent.”

Korwin-Mikke, 72, is an extreme libertarian. A veteran with half a century’s political experience, he throws out his bizarre views in rapid-fire sentences, broken by the easy smile of a man used to deference, which only makes them seem more disturbing. There is no proof Hitler knew about the Holocaust, he has argued for years, and he told the Observer that Mussolini, who stripped Jewish citizens of property and civil rights, then sent thousands to German concentration camps, “was trying to protect Jews”.

He would like to abolish not just the European Union but democracy altogether, replacing it with an absolute monarchy, which he considers the gold standard for government. His main objection to dictatorship is that it leaves open the question of who succeeds a leader.

He hungers for what he says is a lost Europe of dog-eat-dog economic rules, the freedom to buy arsenic over the counter by the kilo, drive without seatbelts and give free rein to the aggression that he says made the continent great. “If someone gives money to an unemployed person he should have his hand cut off because he is destroying the morale of the people,” Korwin-Mikke said, adding that the state should not give anyone a cent either. “Europeans were very aggressive and now the boys are taught not to be aggressive … Give them the pistol, give them a sword.”

Apparently practising what he preaches, this summer he slapped a leftwing Polish politician in the face. Shortly before the attack, France’s far-right Front National, led by Marine Le Pen, decided he was too extreme for an alliance. But now Korwin-Mikke’s party has come to the rescue of Ukip’s parliamentary alliance.

After a defection by a Latvian parliamentarian jeopardised access to speaking time in parliament and millions of euros in EU cash, Iwaszkiewicz joined the group, ensuring it held on to its funding. An EFDD spokesman said the Pole was invited and joined as an individual, and there was “no deal with any political party”, but both Iwaszkiewicz and his leader presented the move as a party decision, to the Observer and voters at home. “That is the only group which is organised and Eurosceptic in the parliament,” Iwaszkiewicz, a businessman-turned-politician, said in an interview in the corridors of parliament, as his aides scowled at Eurocrats tucking into a free buffet lunch. “That is why we wanted – not only me but all four MEPs of the Congress of the New Right – to help the EFDD to stay alive.”

Korwin-Mikke was gleeful about striking a deal with Ukip, although evasive about specifics, saying only that it might lead to more alliances in future. “If we create our own group, perhaps Mr Farage can lend us a member of his party also.”

Polish academic and anti-racism campaigner Rafal Pankowski dismissed the distinction between Iwaszkiewicz and his party as a false one. The MEP rode into parliament on the back of Korwin-Mikke’s outsize personality, and although he may take a slightly more moderate public stance, has never attempted to distance himself from his leader’s views.

“I have never found any indication of any kind of policy difference between them … on the contrary, he has often defended [Korwin-Mikke’s views] in public,” said Pankowski. “The bottom line is that he wouldn’t have been in the European party without the leader. People voted for the Korwin-Mikke party, hardly anyone knows Robert Iwaszkiewicz.”

Rabbi Shneur Odze, chairman of Ukip Friends of Israel and a party candidate for next year’s general election, said Korwin-Mikke was “not our responsibility” because he was not in the EFDD group. Iwaskiewicz’s only comment on Hitler “was that he was an evil man who should have been executed. Hardly a Holocaust denier,” he added.

But although Iwaszkiewicz is more circumspect, he has not rushed to repudiate his leader or clarify his own position. “I think many expressions of [Korwin-Mikke] are taken out of context and put in a bad light,” he said. Asked if he believed Hitler knew about the Holocaust, he would only say: “That is how I imagine it.”

The Congress of the New Right’s hardline economic views actually make it an uneasy bedfellow for Ukip on immigration issues. Korwin-Mikke wants all borders opened and the welfare state shut down, while Farage wants borders largely shut so at least parts of the welfare state can better serve those inside them.

The two parties share a more important goal though, both Polish politicians say. “He wants to destroy the European Union, and even Lucifer or Beelzebub who is against the European Union is our ally, because it is the greatest danger to Europe,” said Korwin-Mikke, who wants to convert part of the EU headquarters into a giant brothel.

“The building of the European commission is much better, there are small rooms,” he said, trailing off to glance around his small, dark office with a new, appraising eye.

Part of his distaste for modern Europe is driven by the position of women, who he says have replaced “privileges” with “equal rights”, a phrase Korwin-Mikke spat out as if it was an insult. Most want to stay at home to raise families, and can’t be trusted to vote, said the twice-married father of six. They are also, he claims, “less tall, less heavy, less intelligent, on the average”. And he adds: “Women usually vote for the more handsome man.”

Asked how German chancellor Angela Merkel had come to power in a country where women vote, he changed the topic to sports teams coached by men. “Women want to be led by men, ” he claimed. They particularly like to be led to the bedroom , he added, saying that men should often ignore a partner who said no to sex. “Women usually pretend that they don’t want [sex]. You must be competent enough to differentiate whether she seriously doesn’t want,” he said. “The percentage of women who pretend that they don’t want to have sex, but they do want in fact, is about 30 or 40%.”

Asked how a rape trial could be prosecuted if a woman’s words were not accepted as evidence of her intentions, he said men should not be convicted unless there were two witnesses to the crime.

“If you don’t have two testimonies, he must be acquitted,” he said. “Or some proof or some visible sign of rape, but if it is only her words and his words, there cannot even be a trial.”

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Barring these comments about "no" and rape which aren't that outrageous, this is an illustration of why far-right parties are just trolls instead of seriously wanting to "fix Europe". They have zero sense of politics or influencing the public opinion; they're just in it for the attention.

[SteveMcMahon]

(11-30-2014 04:41 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Barring these comments about "no" and rape which aren't that outrageous, this is an illustration of why far-right parties are just trolls instead of seriously wanting to "fix Europe". They have zero sense of politics or influencing the public opinion; they're just in it for the attention.

Yes. Most of the "far-right" (which is now a meaningless term, like "fascist" it no longer describes any coherent ideology, it's now just a pejorative used to smear politically incorrect people) are big troll-faced trolly trollertons.

Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that, the EU and other establishment groups need trolling, hard and often. Jean Marie Le Pen trolled the everliving fuck out of the French establishment for decades, and it was fun to watch. But trolling isn't a solution.



UKIP aren't trolls. They have more than their fair share of genuine English eccentrics, which is to be expected since most people who join political parties in the UK these days are either eccentrics or careerists.

UKIP hasn't been attractive to would-be professional politicians till recently, so their membership skews more towards the former group. Sincere, well-meaning, but possibly a bit anorak-y folks, who might otherwise be found campaigning for Real Ale or fundraising to restore a Vulcan bomber or writing letters to their local papers complaining that St. George's Day should be a public holiday.

UKIP isn't "far right" either. It's a sort of populist-libertarian party with a broad mix of members from different class, race, and religious backgrounds. But it's very important to the British establishment that UKIP be painted as far right, so they can be isolated and contained.

Hence articles like this, which can be fairly summarised as "UKIP sit in a European Parliament group with a guy who knows a guy who says politically incorrect stuff!!!".

The fact of the matter is, the European Parliament forces its members to join larger transnational alliances, or accept second class status. That means MEP's often find themselves in a bloc with people they have little in common with and might ideally prefer to have nothing to do with.

If you were to write an article like this detailing, say, the links between the British Labour Party and "reformed" Communists who, just 20 years ago, were ruthlessly violating the human rights of people in Eastern Europe... or their links with Belgian politicians who have questions to answer about that country's many paedophile scandals, the Guardian would be screaming "McCarthyist guilt-by-association tactics!".

But it's UKIP, so it's all good.

[Foolsgo1d]

(11-30-2014 04:41 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Barring these comments about "no" and rape which aren't that outrageous, this is an illustration of why far-right parties are just trolls instead of seriously wanting to "fix Europe". They have zero sense of politics or influencing the public opinion; they're just in it for the attention.

As opposed to the likes of Labour, SNP and the government of France? Who seek to destroy a country's social fabric and economy?

I'd take cheerleaders over those parties any day.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Foolsgo1d, that's not what I'm saying. I have no love for those parties. But what I am saying is that the fact that UKIP's opponents are idiots doesn't automatically mean that UKIP is any better.

Be honest: would you want an attention whore like Janusz Korwin-Mikke to be your "absolute monarch"? Would any sane person want it?

No?

What a surprise!

If you run a political party - especially a high-minded political party that claims to be working hard to "save Europe", you owe it to yourself and your constituents to present reasonable and constructive ideas and mold them into an inspiring vision. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't have those can

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(12-01-2014 05:45 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

If you run a political party - especially a high-minded political party that claims to be working hard to "save Europe", you owe it to yourself and your constituents to present reasonable and constructive ideas and mold them into an inspiring vision. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't have those can

It's difficult to present reasonable, constructive ideas when the entire world around us is steeped in degeneracy. From immigration to taxes to feminism and foreign policy, the EU has only been exposed to one side of the coin. In places like Germany, sometimes I think people have completely forgotten what a dissenting opinion looks like, as if kids these days are born with a political gag reflex against anything right of far left.

How do you clearly and concisely tell people that everything they know to be true was built on a massive lie? Trolling is often the best way to get a point across; simply mock and demean the establishment until the house of cards comes falling down.

[SteveMcMahon]

(12-01-2014 05:45 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Foolsgo1d, that's not what I'm saying. I have no love for those parties. But what I am saying is that the fact that UKIP's opponents are idiots doesn't automatically mean that UKIP is any better.

True that. I think they are better than the alternatives at the moment. Not perfect, but more credible than the alternatives. I'm going to vote for them till that changes or something better comes along.

(12-01-2014 05:45 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Be honest: would you want an attention whore like Janusz Korwin-Mikke to be your "absolute monarch"? Would any sane person want it?

I'm still not sure who he is. But probably not.

Seems to me that Continental politics is a choice between "respectable" lunatics who are dragging us down the road to serfdom, and outspoken trolls who spend a lot of time talking about crankish subjects and conspiracy theories.

It's frustrating.

(12-01-2014 06:28 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Trolling is often the best way to get a point across; simply mock and demean the establishment until the house of cards comes falling down.

This is an excellent point.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(12-01-2014 06:28 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

It's difficult to present reasonable, constructive ideas when the entire world around us is steeped in degeneracy.

I 100% agree, it's difficult and might even be a lost cause. But why provide a counter in the form of even greater degeneracy? Why not try to rise above that mess? Don't you owe it to your country/continent to genuinely try?

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How do you clearly and concisely tell people that everything they know to be true was built on a massive lie? Trolling is often the best way to get a point across; simply mock and demean the establishment until the house of cards comes falling down.

I also agree, but only to a point. Some trolling is valuable for illustrating your points and attracting starting attention. Making trolling your life's purpose, just reflects a lack of vision.

Consider this difference: I think UKIP and Swedish Democrats are serious parties with enough reason in their programs/leaders/speeches that I'd vote for them, and over time many other people will too, as they get progressively more disenchanted with the parties in power.

"Poland’s Congress of the New Right", though? Not a chance in hell.

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Guy 1: Further immigration from non-EU countries drives down wages, increases job competition, diminishes social cohesion, and increases our risk of terrorist threats.
Guy 2: Nazi scum! You racist bigot!

Guy 1: Kick all immigrants out! Europe for the Europeans!
Guy 2: Nazi scum! You racist bigot!

Speaking clearly and rationally with these people is impossible, we've beaten that dead horse into the ground and then some. We can change the messaging, but their response will always be the same.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

If that's true then why are all these people claiming that they're "trying to save Europe"? Why don't they admit that their primary purpose is just to ?

Oh right:



Let's make a choice: are parties like "Poland's Congress of the New Right" genuinely trying to save Europe? Or are they simply in it it for the money and attention?

The former means they're horribly incompetent, the latter they're parasites.

Take your pick.

[Feisbook Control]

(12-01-2014 07:15 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

If that's true then why are all these people claiming that they're "trying to save Europe"? Why don't they admit that their primary purpose is just to ?

Oh right:



Let's make a choice: are parties like "Poland's Congress of the New Right" genuinely trying to save Europe? Or are they simply in it it for the money and attention?

The former means they're horribly incompetent, the latter they're parasites.

Take your pick.

As per the Swiss gold thread, can I take that stack in PMs instead? There look to be fifteen bills there, so 15 x 500 = 7500 euros. Silver is 12.73 euros per ounce. That's 589.16 ounces. Nigel should troll everyone and demand his parliamentary salary in PMs.

[supadoopa_paratroopa]

Far right parties are usually ignored until shit needs gettin' done. Unfortunately, the thing that needs gettin' done often coincides with hell breaking loose and lots of killing.

Circle of life and all that jazz. Try to enjoy the ride poolside.

[berserk]

Politics is useless, including this guy and UKIP too.

The siren song is too strong. These anti-EU politicians cave every time and when they don't they are ruthlessly attacked like Jörg Haider who suffered a 'car accident' in 2008. Others are merely bankrupted through years of lawsuits like Glistrup in Denmark, thrown in jail for bogus tax evasion in their 80s and the like.

I think this guy trolls, but not to the degree he is unreasonable. A monarchy with an enlightened monarch is certainly preferable to socialist mob rule.