[Hansel]

(05-15-2019 04:48 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

If Iran is actually trying to avoid war, they're fucking up. It's like a loser that can't stay out of jail when practically everybody else in society manages to do so, and they say the system is rigged against them. I hope they get a clue.

If you were running Iran, would you play the game the way they're doing it? Why is Iran the target of so much zio-globo propaganda, and why can't they handle it any better than they are?

Get a clue? How are they supposed to get a clue when there is no clue around for them except the original sins of underground oil and strong national power? Why should they just surrender to the globozions and let them tear their country apart? Would you want to protect yourself with nukes when your enemy calls you "an axis of evilness", and deposed your monarch 40 years ago?

Honestly they have been very cautious already agreeing to halt the nuclear problem for all these years. They have been laying low for the past few decades, how often do you see REAL provocations from them? I suggest you read a bit more on the topic before making ill-informed claims.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-15-2019 04:48 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

If Iran straight-people/white-people/Christians/males are actually trying to avoid war being purged, they're fucking up. It's like a loser that can't stay out of jail when practically everybody else in society manages to do so, and they say the system is rigged against them. I hope they get a clue.

If you were running Iran straight/white/Christian/male, would you play the game the way they're doing it? Why is Iran are straight-people/white-people/Christians/males the target of so much zio-globo propaganda, and why can't they handle it any better than they are?

[Pride male]

Couldn't America just attack Saudi Arabia instead?

[Going strong]

(05-16-2019 04:38 AM)Hansel Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 04:48 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

If Iran is actually trying to avoid war, they're fucking up. It's like a loser that can't stay out of jail when practically everybody else in society manages to do so, and they say the system is rigged against them. I hope they get a clue.

If you were running Iran, would you play the game the way they're doing it? Why is Iran the target of so much zio-globo propaganda, and why can't they handle it any better than they are?

(...)Honestly they have been very cautious already agreeing to halt the nuclear problem for all these years. They have been laying low for the past few decades, how often do you see REAL provocations from them? I suggest you read a bit more on the topic before making ill-informed claims.

They have been laying low, but occasionally laying a bomb or IED somewhere to blow a few Westerners, haven't they? So, not very aggressive, not "absolute evil" of course , but neither are they absolute angels.

[Manbeline]

I once again make the statement that we should be very very careful of what is said about Iran. This sounds way too much like what happened with Gaddafi, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now Iran is the new target. It's all too politically motivated with propaganda being fed to the world that they are evil. I come from a neutral standpoint when I see these issues. I'm by no means an expert yet, but listening to all sides of the story is making me detest that a war might be happening soon with Iran. Even NK, who I always heard bad stories about, seeing their side of the ordeal made me realize that someone is out to paint certain people a certain way to justify future actions.

[911]

(05-16-2019 05:54 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Couldn't America just attack Saudi Arabia instead?

They already did, the neocon palace coup that put Mohamed bin Salman was not an organic takeover. Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf sheikdoms (minus Qatar, which is aligned with an older globalist branch) are entirely controlled by the zio deep state, so they don't need to attack them.

[Pride male]

∆ If playing ball with Israel gives you Dubai then why don't these Arabs all get on board? If you can't beat them join them.

[911]

(05-16-2019 04:55 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

∆ If playing ball with Israel gives you Dubai then why don't these Arabs all get on board? If you can't beat them join them.

All arab countries, including most Palestinians, were on board for a land-for-piece deal with Israel where it would go back to 1967 borders, giving back the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights to Syria, keeping nearly 80% of historic Palestine. They don't want that though, they have been taking over the West Bank:



They've also just (officially) annexed the Golan Heights. Beyond that though, they have a long term plan of taking the whole region between the Nile and the Euphrates. Israel is one of the only countries that doesn't acknowledge the limits of its border, because they have vast long-range expansion plans:



This is the main message encapsuled in the Israeli flag, the blue stripes represents the two rivers:



The destruction of Iraq, and now Syria are consistent with this long-term plan. The shorter term plan is what's known as the Oden Yinon Greater Israel Plan, which consists of breaking up all surrounding Arab states and balkanizing them into small, warring failed ethno-states. That plan was a policy whitepaper published by their defense department back in 1982. That's the gist of the Syrian situation, where Israel and its Gulf/NATO allies funded jihadis to take over and destroy that country, the same way a bar owner would hire a bunch of thugs to start a big fight and lay waste to a rival's establishment.

[Pride male]

At least Jews tell you in an advance what their evil plans are. You can't say you didn't see it coming.

[Hansel]

(05-16-2019 01:38 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

They have been laying low, but occasionally laying a bomb or IED somewhere to blow a few Westerners, haven't they? So, not very aggressive, not "absolute evil" of course , but neither are they absolute angels.

By "angel" standard, nearly every country in the world would have declared war on the US by now. They don't because they are not as entitled and narcissistic as you are. That's how international politics work. You weigh the costs to your people first.

Plus, who deposed their monarch in the first place? There's actually a point for them. If there is no rightful retaliation on their part, they don't deserve to be a government protecting its citizens.

On the other hand, are you fighting every goddamn country in the world because they are not absolute angels?

[Going strong]

(05-17-2019 06:53 AM)Hansel Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 01:38 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

They have been laying low, but occasionally laying a bomb or IED somewhere to blow a few Westerners, haven't they? So, not very aggressive, not "absolute evil" of course , but neither are they absolute angels.

By "angel" standard, nearly every country in the world would have declared war on the US by now. They don't because they are not as entitled and narcissistic as you are. That's how international politics work. You weigh the costs to your people first.

Plus, who deposed their monarch in the first place? There's actually a point for them. If there is no rightful retaliation on their part, they don't deserve to be a government protecting its citizens.

On the other hand, are you fighting every goddamn country in the world because they are not absolute angels?

Fully "entitled and narcissistic", me? Are you saying I'm a thin woman living in the West?

Anyway I can reckon that there seems to be no very good reason to invade Iran at the moment. Years ago, when their militias used to plant IEDs in Iraq, it was another matter, but, nowadays, Iranians do seem relatively quiet and not over-provocative, granted.

Maybe they should not have withdrawn from the nuclear deal though, but they must have their reasons (one of them being they must have calculated that neither Israel nor the US would dare bomb them in 2019). I also reckon they have a right to civil nuclear installations, being a serious functioning State, provided they allow inspections or whatever is needed.

[BBinger]

(05-17-2019 08:05 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Maybe they should not have withdrawn from the nuclear deal though, but they must have their reasons (one of them being they must have calculated that neither Israel nor the US would dare bomb them in 2019). I also reckon they have a right to civil nuclear installations, being a serious functioning State, provided they allow inspections or whatever is needed.

Well, the US withdrew first and after Trump went with Bolton and Pompeo for a lack of other options that weren't openly hostile to the idea of working with Trump... It started to become very hard for Europe to carry their part of the agreement on their own in the face of US sanctions.

If the other side isn't meaningfully in the agreement the Persians have to use the leverage they can to try to pull the other side back in. This means announcing in advance their intention to enrich uranium just short of the "weapons grade" threshold.

It's possible the Persians are willing to go from rhetorical punching bag to actual punching bag if they think the outcome might lead to them actually being taken serious as a functioning state. Argentina in the 1980's thought they could defend their capture of the Falklands. Everything the US plans including the number of troops they are willing to commit to the effort gets broadcast in the news. What Iran may or may not be doing is communicated more ambiguously.

Saddam spent the 80's fighting Iran in a bloody and protracted war with soft US support. In 1991 Saddam found himself a bit overconfident and took Kuwait leading to the US pushing him decisively out of Kuwait. Historically people haven't always, almost pathologically avoided risk in the way that has come to be seen as normal nowadays. It isn't like the US hasn't run wargames and needed to revise the games part-way through because US force projection depends in large part on enemy inaction or tactical conservatism.

I miss anti-war Make AMERICA Trump.

[911]

Tucker on target as usual:

[CaptainChardonnay]

There is a newswire report that Iran may accept Secretary of State Pompeo's 12 point plan for economic relief.

Below are the 12 points which were layed out back in May 2018:

[Leonard D Neubache]

All meaningless.

It's essentially a demand in as much to say "cease making it difficult and dangerous for us to expand the Israeli empire and we'll (probably) put you on the bottom of our people-to-genocide list."

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(05-17-2019 11:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

All meaningless.

It's essentially a demand in as much to say "cease making it difficult and dangerous for us to expand the Israeli empire and we'll (probably) put you on the bottom of our people-to-genocide list."

Are there any countries on the Earth today that are successfully placing themselves at the bottom of the US's "people-to-genocide list"? Are they all shit holes, or are any of them doing pretty well? How much of a burden is this for them? Where does Australia stand in this struggle to stay off the top of the US "people-to-genocide list"?

Why can't Iran handle their relationship with the rest of the world the way Australia does? Or the way Egypt or Algeria do for that matter?

[captain_shane]

(05-17-2019 11:59 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 11:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

All meaningless.

It's essentially a demand in as much to say "cease making it difficult and dangerous for us to expand the Israeli empire and we'll (probably) put you on the bottom of our people-to-genocide list."

Are there any countries on the Earth today that are successfully placing themselves at the bottom of the US's "people-to-genocide list"? Are they all shit holes, or are any of them doing pretty well? How much of a burden is this for them? Where does Australia stand in this struggle to stay off the top of the US "people-to-genocide list"?

Why can't Iran handle their relationship with the rest of the world the way Australia does? Or the way Egypt or Algeria do for that matter?

I could say the same thing about Israel. Why are they on the top of the "people-to-genocide-list" of so many countries?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-17-2019 11:59 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

(05-17-2019 11:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

All meaningless.

It's essentially a demand in as much to say "cease making it difficult and dangerous for us to expand the Israeli empire and we'll (probably) put you on the bottom of our people-to-genocide list."

Are there any countries on the Earth today that are successfully placing themselves at the bottom of the US's "people-to-genocide list"? Are they all shit holes, or are any of them doing pretty well? How much of a burden is this for them? Where does Australia stand in this struggle to stay off the top of the US "people-to-genocide list"?

Why can't Iran handle their relationship with the rest of the world the way Australia does? Or the way Egypt or Algeria do for that matter?

It's Israel's list. You just dance to their music. As for staying at the bottom of that list do you feel like your people are on the up and up?

I said a "people-to-genocide", not a "nation-to-genocide".

If you're a white American then your people have been on their chopping block for the last 100 years and so have mine.

We're not on the bottom of their list. We've always been at the top. Sending our dumb goy asses to get killed in Iran is just killing two birds with one stone for them the same way it's been in Afghanistan, Iraq and every other major conflict in living memory.

Stop wasting your national treasure and sending your best to get killed for billionaire Zionist psychopaths.

You want to talk about "America's list"? Why doesn't it seem like the votes or the general will of the American people seem to matter when that list is compiled?

[Foolsgo1d]

So a shiite led country is harbouring Sunni mercenaries the CIA and Mossad trained, armed and funded?

So Iran is helping Shia forces against Sunni aggression in Yemen?

So Iran must stop funding armed groups that protect its interests whilst hoping Israel, the Gulf states and the US stop funding Sunni mercenaries?

Looks like a list of demands that are impossible to comply with and is only going to be used by the likes of Pompeo to point to; "look! We told them and they refused!"

GL Americans, your boys and girls will be blown up in Iran someday. Israel demands it.

[Rigsby]

Well, Saudi Arabia is building its own Nuclear Reactor, so why can't Iran?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/saudi...40?cmp=rss

Saudi Arabia is about a year away from completing the building of its first nuclear reactor, according to Google satellite images identified by a nuclear expert who said Thursday the construction so far appears to be very small in size and intended for research and training purposes.


I'm being flippant. You decide.


https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/ir...t-1.801427

Iran has confirmed it has carried out a recent ballistic missile test, in what appears to be a breach of a UN resolution and Tehran's nuclear deal with world powers.

Iran was accused of launching a medium-range missile earlier this month by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, but it was denied by Tehran.




Iran is obviously on the back foot here and while trying to save a bit of face (i.e. trying not to eat too much shit), it's quite likely they are putting everything in place to protect themselves if hit.

One thing I will give the Iranians is that they have major impulse control. A more patient and level-headed bunch of peoples I'm yet to come across on this planet.

Do they fund proxy wars? Yes.

Would they like to wipe out their (((enemies))) in the region and live in peace? Yes.

But sooner or later they will have to 'pick up the gun'.

Saudi Arabia inciting America to hit Iran was a nice touch as well.

I guess we know where they stand on the issue.

Iran doesn't have many friends in the region, eh?

We are ruled by mad men.

There is no sanity left.

[The Black Knight]

(05-16-2019 07:54 PM)911 Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 04:55 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

∆ If playing ball with Israel gives you Dubai then why don't these Arabs all get on board? If you can't beat them join them.

All arab countries, including most Palestinians, were on board for a land-for-piece deal with Israel where it would go back to 1967 borders, giving back the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights to Syria, keeping nearly 80% of historic Palestine. They don't want that though, they have been taking over the West Bank:



They've also just (officially) annexed the Golan Heights. Beyond that though, they have a long term plan of taking the whole region between the Nile and the Euphrates. Israel is one of the only countries that doesn't acknowledge the limits of its border, because they have vast long-range expansion plans:



This is the main message encapsuled in the Israeli flag, the blue stripes represents the two rivers:



The destruction of Iraq, and now Syria are consistent with this long-term plan. The shorter term plan is what's known as the Oden Yinon Greater Israel Plan, which consists of breaking up all surrounding Arab states and balkanizing them into small, warring failed ethno-states. That plan was a policy whitepaper published by their defense department back in 1982. That's the gist of the Syrian situation, where Israel and its Gulf/NATO allies funded jihadis to take over and destroy that country, the same way a bar owner would hire a bunch of thugs to start a big fight and lay waste to a rival's establishment.

[nomadbrah]

Don't worry about those tweets Iran, Trump is all talk, no action.

[It_is_my_time]

(05-20-2019 08:04 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Don't worry about those tweets Iran, Trump is all talk, no action.

We will find out this week, but I think the Iranian leadership knows the USA is crumbling on its own and Trump is all bark and no bite and the US citizens are war weary. If so, they will keep taunting Trump and get him to destroy himself.

It will be interesting to watch. Iran pretty much has Trump right where they want him so we will see if they keep pushing or sit back and buy more time.

[It_is_my_time]

(05-20-2019 08:26 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(05-20-2019 08:04 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Don't worry about those tweets Iran, Trump is all talk, no action.

We will find out this week, but I think the Iranian leadership knows the USA is crumbling on its own and Trump is all bark and no bite and the US citizens are war weary. If so, they will keep taunting Trump and get him to destroy himself.

It will be interesting to watch. Iran pretty much has Trump right where they want him so we will see if they keep pushing or sit back and buy more time.

Iran not backing down. Either they have Chinese/Russian technology to back them up and renders our military advantages null and void or they just believe the USA doesn't have the will for another war. Either way this is not looking good for Trump.

"Iran quadruples production of low-enriched uranium"...

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1...0164256769

[TigerMandingo]

I think it is borderline insane that Trump actually used the phrase "the end of Iran" in a recent tweet - which, let's be real, is a call for genocide. He was speaking hypothetically, but still....wow.

The backing out of the Iran deal was unnecessary. The constant poking at Iran by sending military vessels into the region - also unnecessary. This whole situation could've been easily avoided.