[bojangles]

Not sure if he's trolling, he's defending his city here. I'd like to know about your lays in Mumbai in fact.

[LEMONed IScream]

One of the threads was like a sightseeing manual you can search for online, and the other was about a friend who claims to have a lot of success and provides basically no proof, tips, field experiences... But anyway, to each his own.

(11-11-2014 08:19 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 08:01 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

Two threads about India and now all this, trolling, anyone?

What are you talking about?

Two threads on India started by different members compared to fifty on the Philippines.

I'm guessing the simple act of discussing the country of India is now considered trolling

"All this" looks like someone dropping a new perspective on a region that there's not a lot of data on. +1 from me.

[Enigma]

(11-11-2014 09:01 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

One of the threads was like a sightseeing manual you can search for online, and the other was about a friend who claims to have a lot of success and provides basically no proof, tips, field experiences... But anyway, to each his own.

Those posts aren't even made by the same person. You are connecting them for the simple fact that they're both about India, whereas the same two threads posted about Russia, etc. in the same day wouldn't elicit the same troll accusations. Other than a slight bias, zidhai's posts are well-written and measured.

[zidhai89]

(11-11-2014 08:14 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(this refers to atmospheric particulate matter - a common measurement). So anywhere from 4 to 5 times the pollution levels.

I believe the data was collected from cities and extrapolated towards the whole country. While New Delhi is indeed a manufacturing hub and definitely has worse quality of air than Beijing keep in mind that China away from the coast has a heartland that is filled with large scale manufacturing industries.

India's heartland is still an agarian based economy about 20 years behind the Chinese economy. I'm not sure those statistics tell the whole story.

The technology based cities of Bangalore and Pune have a much better quality of air than New Delhi. Then again, without being offensive if quality of air etc are some of your metrics India is not the country for you.

(11-11-2014 08:14 AM)zatara Wrote:  

On crime, India had a murder rate of 3.2 per 100k/people in 2010. China in the same period is 1.12. That's an almost three times higer murder rate, nevermind rape/theft etc - which offer similar statistics.

Willing to concede this point in comparison to China but I think I was speaking in a global context. My bad if that was not clear.

India's homicidal rate is well below the international average of 6.2 and below even the USA. Keep in mind while India has a distinct culture it is predominately Eastern with heavy influences from Persia and the Middle East.

People do not rob you at gunpoint and threaten you with knives. It simply does not happen. Most of the time are cars are left unlocked and the front door of the house is open. Most of the crime are things like corruption and fraud.

India has an equivalent of the old 'wild west' known as Bihar which is the most backward part of India run by the mafia. It is a coal rich reigon where turf wars are common. It is basically the last frontier and I would not be surprised if this reigon along with the naxal movement is heavily spiking the numbers. Things are turning around now and it truly is fascinating what is happening.

In civil society crime isn't really an issue. The media beat up about gang rapes just pisses me of now.

As for your other question I understand that this forum is predominately about women so if that is your sole criteria then I would not recommend it above Shanghai but I would recommend it above Bangkok simply because of the Language.

While the average Thai women is indeed > average Indian women, India is as always a top heavy society and middle class Indian girls can give anyone a run for their money. Even if you do find a middle class Thai girl chances are unless she has been outside the country the English might not allow for in depth conversations. No such problem with Indian women who if middle class and haven't even stepped out of their city will still speak English fluently.

If people are interested in other things along with women like the unquantifiable factors of mind and soul then yes India > China hands down.

It is also my firm belief that India has fought it's wars, spilled it's blood, set up stable democratic institutions and vibrant free media. All that remains is now to gain wealth and cut the gap with the West. I think that India is about 2 decades behind China which when you look at the dates of liberalization make sense. The base has been built and is stable. What happens now is what the media has been hyping up for some time. They could be the proverbial tortoise to the Chinese hare.

(11-11-2014 08:20 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Not sure if he's trolling, he's defending his city here. I'd like to know about your lays in Mumbai in fact.

I am not from Mumbai and someone else asked for this. Give me a day and I'll write something on how / where to get laid in India.

[LEMONed IScream]

I know they're not from the same person.

But anyway, we'll see. Give it time.

(11-11-2014 09:20 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:01 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

One of the threads was like a sightseeing manual you can search for online, and the other was about a friend who claims to have a lot of success and provides basically no proof, tips, field experiences... But anyway, to each his own.

Those posts aren't even made by the same person. You are connecting them for the simple fact that they're both about India, whereas the same two threads posted about Russia, etc. in the same day wouldn't elicit the same troll accusations. Other than a slight bias, zidhai's posts are well-written and measured.

[WalterBlack]

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[WalterBlack]

(11-11-2014 01:47 AM)Northern Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 05:42 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

In my current job I trained an American colleague to do a simple data entry task in SAP. It took and hour and she can do the work.

I've been remotely training some motherfuckers in India to do the same thing - we've had 6 training sessions over the last 6 months and they still haven't figured out how to do it!

I guess this is because those Indians are smarter than the American. Why do work if they get paid while being in a training session!

They won’t be laughing if they get fired for being incompetent.

(11-11-2014 09:28 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

As for your other question I understand that this forum is predominately about women so if that is your sole criteria then I would not recommend it above Shanghai but I would recommend it above Bangkok simply because of the Language.

While the average Thai women is indeed > average Indian women, India is as always a top heavy society and middle class Indian girls can give anyone a run for their money. Even if you do find a middle class Thai girl chances are unless she has been outside the country the English might not allow for in depth conversations. No such problem with Indian women who if middle class and haven't even stepped out of their city will still speak English fluently.

If people are interested in other things along with women like the unquantifiable factors of mind and soul then yes India > China hands down.

It is also my firm belief that India has fought it's wars, spilled it's blood, set up stable democratic institutions and vibrant free media. All that remains is now to gain wealth and cut the gap with the West. I think that India is about 2 decades behind China which when you look at the dates of liberalization make sense. The base has been built and is stable. What happens now is what the media has been hyping up for some time. They could be the proverbial tortoise to the Chinese hare.

Zidha89, I’ve been to India and China in the last couple of years. India is light years behind China.

As for Indian women vs Chinese women, here's a video of Indian families that have moved to Guangzhou in China. Look at the Indian wives around 3:25. How long do you think it will be before their husbands are banging slim Chinese girls?

I love Indian women, but a lot of them don’t take care of their appearance.

There’s a lot of screwing around going on in the villages, but it’s all social circle. There’s no way an outsider could infiltrate that.

[zidhai89]

(11-11-2014 02:02 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Zidha89, I’ve been to India and China in the last couple of years. India is light years behind China.

At the risk of sounding overtly defensive and repeating myself 20 years to be exact. Given China's move towards market principles took place in the late 1970's and India's in the late 1990's it makes sense.

Finally, as mentioned before in terms of economic development maybe. In terms of stable foundation for future growth it is highly debatable. It is India with a vibrant democracy and free press that accommodates most sections of society. India has a strong IT service base and the new government will push heavily to bring manufacturing and an infrastructure fueled growth cycle in India. India simply has to gain economic clout now and it is doing so, China might soldier on with the current system or it might experience massive changes if their youth demands 'freedom' as they did in '89 in Tiananmen. It is hard to look past China now that they are within striking distance of the United States but long term your money would be better placed betting on India.

[Phoenix]

Singapore doesn't have a functioning democracy, and its doing great.
There are much more pressing issues when it comes to economy, than if the government is sufficiently democratically elected or not.
On my travels I've heard bureaucracy stories about India that would make your eyes water. It is a complete mess, mind-bogglingly corrupt, and bureaucratic-molasses is the norm. I'm quite confident that India will stay miles behind China, most likely forever.

However this thread is about banging Indian chicks, not the Indian economy.

Also, where the hell is Ladoo? We're all waiting for more juicy details...

[Menace]

Ladoo is a kind of dish. Ladakh maybe? There is no pussy in Ladakh. I'm betting any pussy in India is found in: Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Maharashtra, Karnataka, and/or Goa, i.e. south India. North is way too conservative. Although I suppose if you're in a social circle in Delhi, you can find talent (I've seen it for sure).

[zidhai89]

(11-11-2014 04:19 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Singapore doesn't have a functioning democracy, and its doing great.
There are much more pressing issues when it comes to economy, than if the government is sufficiently democratically elected or not.
On my travels I've heard bureaucracy stories about India that would make your eyes water. It is a complete mess, mind-bogglingly corrupt, and bureaucratic-molasses is the norm. I'm quite confident that India will stay miles behind China, most likely forever.

Singapore is a city state not a nation.

As for bureaucracy you are right. It looks like the issue will be taken care of by this government which has a disdain for red tape and protectionism.

As for 'forever' while you are entitled to your opinion recent revised studies by various financial institutions had the Chinese overtaking the Americans by 2020 and they look dead right. These same people have India in pole position by 2040 which basically means within out lifetime India will have undergone a 360 shift. The past 350 years have been an anomaly in history and prior to that wealth has been concentrated in India and China which looked to have disappeared during the colonial era.

I'll leave it to you to figure out where this chart is heading :

(11-11-2014 04:25 PM)Menace Wrote:  

North is way too conservative.

It's the other way around. New Delhi women are more liberal compared to Tamil et all.

[Ladoo]

I have always been interested in Indian culture (although I'm English), so it was really great to hear a close buddy doing so well in a country that is so often written off on this forum. You will obviously be more successful in bigger cities like Mumbai, Dehli, Bangalore with much more westernised girls.

I guess it's easy to call any poster, who disagrees with the common belief, a troll...

[Cobra]

(11-11-2014 09:28 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

I am not from Mumbai and someone else asked for this. Give me a day and I'll write something on how / where to get laid in India.

Yes. I'm actually really looking forward to this. The current rep on the forum for getting laid in India is really bad. You seem to have the potential to change that outlook. And please do post some approach to bang details on your lays as well to tie into the wealth of knowledge you have already provided.

[getdownonit]

No one here is trolling. India may be an up and coming game location, but it's just not a great place to live for the most part. I'm glad that they beat polio, I was unaware of that achievement.

I've heard too many horror stories about India to want to visit, including a Burmese Buddhist monk complaining to me that people in India were begging HIM for money. I haven't been, and the culture seems very diverse and intriguing, but nothing indicates to me that it would be a fun place to be.

I'd be glad to be proven wrong, since the sheer number of Indians is an enormous untapped resource waiting to be discovered.

[zatara]

(11-11-2014 09:28 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

As for your other question I understand that this forum is predominately about women so if that is your sole criteria then I would not recommend it above Shanghai but I would recommend it above Bangkok simply because of the Language.

If people are interested in other things along with women like the unquantifiable factors of mind and soul then yes India > China hands down.

I think that India is about 2 decades behind China which when you look at the dates of liberalization make sense. The base has been built and is stable. What happens now is what the media has been hyping up for some time. They could be the proverbial tortoise to the Chinese hare.

Apologies if it seems like I'm shitting on the India thread/your views, but it just seems from your responses that you're being a bit dishonest with your defense of India on every point - saying how its really a great place, recommending it over Bangkok etc. Do you have direct comparable experiences of other Asian mega-cities like Bangkok or Hong Kong?

Its all well and good saying "in 20 years time it might be good" but this forum is, by and large, concerned with recommending places for its members to go to right now, or in the near future. India does have the potential to maybe, at some point be worth visiting - but unfortunately not really right now. For the vast majority of forum users here they'd be better off almost anywhere else in the non Muslim regions of Asia. Regrettably, for India, I think this is a view that most people on this forum who've traveled in the region will agree with.

[zidhai89]

(11-12-2014 08:09 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Apologies if it seems like I'm shitting on the India thread/your views, but it just seems from your responses that you're being a bit dishonest with your defense of India on every point - saying how its really a great place, recommending it over Bangkok etc. Do you have direct comparable experiences of other Asian mega-cities like Bangkok or Hong Kong?

Its all well and good saying "in 20 years time it might be good" but this forum is, by and large, concerned with recommending places for its members to go to right now, or in the near future. India does have the potential to maybe, at some point be worth visiting - but unfortunately not really right now. For the vast majority of forum users here they'd be better off almost anywhere else in the non Muslim regions of Asia. Regrettably, for India, I think this is a view that most people on this forum who've traveled in the region will agree with.

No problem Zatara. You've been polite, my bad for coming across as overtly defensive. The Asian countries I have comparison with are the South East Asians ones including Bangkok. I believe I have been consistent in saying if easiness women are the sole criteria then India is not and will never be the near the top of the lists. If other factors come into play like witnessing a first hand view of history being written and if you would like to experience an ancient civilization seeped in history finding it’s way again there is absolutely no reason for you to go through a dry spell.

I believe the '20 years' comment was more in line with the fact that the topic had diverted towards economic potential and related issues. I stand by what I said though that middle class Indian women have more breeding and style and can be far more elegant than middle class Thai women.

[zidhai89]

Anyway, here goes


So a few people asked for this and I’m not exactly sure how to write this so I’ll just spit it out and it might be a bit rambling so if you want something specific, just ask.

First point – India has a 1.2 billion population however the demographic you will be targeting are the children of parents who climbed onto the rungs of middle class during India’s early 90’s economic liberation. As wealth and capital continue to flow into India the middle class and number of people with disposable income continue to rise. Most reports out there put this number at around 200 million.

However 200 million includes metrics like PPP and highly favourable definitions of middle class, so if you limit for a lifestyle and exposure comparable to western nations I would estimate this number as anywhere between 30-50 million. (This is slight guesswork using things at the top of my head so if you want to go in detail into this please save it for another thread). Given that India’s economic rise is only about 1 ½ decades old keep in mind that the demographics of this segment are extremely young which is in line with India’s overall demographic.
I am 24 and I think I am probably one of the first generations, I would put the age range as 20-28 with the tail end outliers between 28-30.
This generation grew up watching as much of Jon Hamm as they did Bollywood’s message of romanticism. The middle ground settled on seems to be dating. Indians of this demographic date – A lot. While ONS and Casual sex is not the norm they do have short term relationships or flings which can last for a month or two. I suspect that even as India becomes wealthy this won’t change much, the number of people leading such lifestyles will obviously explode but the dating patterns will more or less remain the same as described so a summer romance shouldn’t be ruled out. Hoping to pull a girl for a night would need the dice to roll your way perfectly.

As you can deduce Social circle is king. Really I can’t stress how important social circle is and how easy it makes life here. It isn’t the end all however.


Moving on my thoughts are still all over the place so I’ll just go place wise :

1)New Delhi –

Search for places where these people congregate. New Delhi women are typically more brash and open. It’s been about 2 years since I’ve been but if I remember correctly

Hauz Kaz village – Littered with café’s and diners and a refurbished ‘artsy’ district that attracts the young.

City skywalk / Ambience mall – Massive malls where you’ll find women in abundance during the day. College students, young working professionals etc.

DLF Emporio – Located in Vasant Kunj you just need to walk aound for an hour and you’ll find a number of sets to your liking.

Breweries have arrived in India and are rapidly growing. Use a website to find the newest brewery and head there. Breweries vary drastically in their setup so while some may not be conductive to what you are looking for others will be. You’ll have to find out by trial and error since what might be good today probably won’t attract the right crowd tomorrow.

It is not that hard however if you use a website known as Zomato which is what most Indians use.

Holiday destinations :

This is the easiest way to get yourself into a social circle if you aren’t in one. Meet the right people and they will introduce you to their friends back in the cities and it will just get easier.

1)Gokarna – It consists of 4 beaches. 2 are hippie and ravers delight. Stay away from them. Another is where young Indian college students head during Diwali etc. This is where I had my first ONS with a girl who had come down from Delhi with a friend so I specially like this place. I’ve heard the beaches are shutting down soon because they will be converted into a navel base so not sure how the scene is now.

2)Pondicherry / Mahabalipuram – This is close to the state occupied by the Tamils so you will mostly find Tamil women here. The downside is their social circles will be in Chennai which is best avoided till you have a feel for the place.

3)Ooty, Coorg, Kodaikanal and Hampi are a few others.

4)Use AIESEC. This is the best way out of all mentioned above. Seriously it will be impossible to not get an Indian flag if you are part of AIESEC. Google the organization if you haven’t heard of it. Disclaimer – Upper age limit is probably around 27-28.

5)There are a lot more options but I’m crunched for time so later.

Bangalore :

Bangalore is a city of immigrants and is more laid back and easygoing than Delhi. Bangalore is also much easier than New Delhi. Simple reason : Bangalore does not go late into night on Fri and Sat. There is a deadline rule.

This means everyone comes out on Sun afternoons during brunch and since alcohol is unlimited things can get pretty wild.

Shiro’s is your best bet and if you’re still standing at around 4-5 pm head on to Tao Terraces for the sundowner.

Arbor brewing company is a great place and it will be impossible not to meet people by the bar here. Ultra sky high lounge is a good option but is on the city outskirts.

Ice on a Friday night attracts an immigrant crowd of women who have come from other parts of the country and are usually staying alone. I’ve pulled from here so it’s definitely possible.

Again, use Zomato.


Niche – Bangalore is an education city in addition to a hi-tec one. That means that there are tons of Persians and Africans here who are easy. If you want more info on where the Persians etc are let me know.

There is lots more if you’re still interested.

The expat population and the hippie crowd that India pulls are particularly easy and could be a thread in itself.

[Menace]

What about UB City in Bangalore?

[zidhai89]

(11-12-2014 12:59 PM)Menace Wrote:  

What about UB City in Bangalore?

When it first opened it was a good location. However, when people realized it is a place with no substance and as better places opened people stopped going there.

Once in a while it pulls a decent crowd. Dmitri Vegas and Like Mike performed a while back at the open terrace area and it got pretty packed and Shiro's is located inside which is a great place for the Sunday brunch but otherwise it isn't particularly good anymore.

You're in the right vicinity though. Are you familiar with Bangalore?

[Menace]

Somewhat familiar. Been there several times. The 11 pm shut off for drinks is pretty lame, which I guess explains the brunch drunkeness.

Mostly was near Ulsoor. Also stayed at Park
City hotel one time and they had a party there. Are hotel events decent places? I think you just have to go to places where middle class girls go (and upper). Poor people on the street tend to be ugly. Sad but true.

[birdie num num]

A few years ago I had an Sikh girlfriend who grew up in Punjab. She mentioned a region of India where the women are reputed to be slutty, yet I can't remember where it was. Maybe Telugu women? Do any India experts know? Of course, they might be slutty within their own circles and it does not extend outsiders.

[Slim Shady]

I spent about 3 months in India this year. Mumbai, Delhi, and Pune are excellent cities. Is it a Roman orgy? Absolutely not. But people go out a lot, drink etc. Mumbai and Delhi girls will get really dressed up and go out. There are a lot of petite cute girls in dresses and heels. Delhi is a lot easier to hook up in because the North Indian girls are just free-er. Pune is a smaller city but has a huge expat population. Go around the colleges/energy companies and you find a ton of German/Swiss people.

The main thing to do is social group game if you are there long term. People go out in big groups and stay in big groups. This is more true in Mumbai. Easier to snag girls in Delhi.

Don't go to the "bars/lounges", or if you do go there and pick girls/groups and hit up the clubs. Clubs are open later, and in the bars girls just sit in large groups with friendzoned orbiters and a couple of "boyfriends". You'll find a lot of rich girls who have access to money, drivers, drugs, and after parties. A lot of them, especially the mediocre looking ones are quite desperate and you can use them to get into the groups to get to the cuter girls.

A lot of girls in Mumbai/Delhi now also live "on their own" so with other girl roommates, and not with their parents as used to be the rule. These girls are willing to get down. I think you can't necessarily use caveman game however. More slick/suave game almost too cool for school works. They will be used to teasing you and not so used to getting some back in return. Dress sharp and use that American accent and you're golden. Drink and have fun but don't get out of control.

Tinder game also works in places like Delhi. Probably in Pune too. Mumbai, Bangalore, etc maybe not so much.

The problem with Bangalore is that first places close too early. Most places by 11. Also even though a lot of Mumbai/Delhi people are working in Bangalore and there are a lot of young people, just being in South India makes people less open to things. Southern India is very proper and conservative.

[amsdk]

guys,
maybe its finally time for me to contribute. i am indian and lived in mumbai, chennai and bangalore. also lived in the united states and currently in europe. so i can probably add some valid information.

as a game location india will rank at the bottom. cannot deny that. i myself and a lot of my friends(indian) will never go to india strictly for gaming. obviously there are some places better than others cause india is a huge country and attitudes vary drastically across cities. but all in all on an average its difficult (my only other asian experience is in china - beijing and chengdu, definitely much easier for me there ).

it doesnt mean that there are no beautiful girls or girls hooking up etc. personally i love indian girls, their charm and the intelligent ones are really for keeps. i have some random points so ill add in , i apologize if i repeat some stuff.

- india is hugely conservative. just the way it is. cities are more relaxed. delhi, mumbai and bangalore are definitely less conservative. chennai still lags a lot. again only pockets in these cities are less conservative. mostly around the clubs/bars and places where the richer kids hang out.

- mostly dating is through social circle. girls wants to bang, guys want to bang. its through social circles and has to go through long convoluted process. ONS is rare. it can happen with these uber rich kids clubbing or chicks back from usa/europe who have been exposed to such concepts. but with an average indian girl thats almost impossible.

- pick up scene is relatively new. you just cannot go upto a girl in public and talk to her. its rare that a girl will respond positively but its not worth the effort. you might also land in trouble. but in bars/clubs i think it should be fine.

- difficult to game girls in bar/clubs. if you see a big group of girls stay away, generally they might arrive together and leave together. the 2s are the ones you need to approach. in india a friends night out cannot be just 2 girls. if so then i think they might be open. and even if a girl has to make out with you it has to be with as little public attention as possible so smaller the group the easier it is. this is just my understanding , dont blame me for exceptions.

- white guy is a BIG advantage. you can use it to your advantage and i know there is a section of girls in delhi/mumbai/bangalore for whom white skin is def a DHV. call it the exotic factor etc. however it is very difficult to zoom into such girls. however its mostly girls back from the usa/europe/singapore etc or rich girls who you will typically find at clubs/bars.

- if anyone says mumbai/delhi is multicultural then i would not agree at all. the sheer talent from different nationalities in beijing / paris / barcelona / san fran / new york - any big city is way way way ahead of any city in india. just the way it is.

- if at all you want to game - bangalore/delhi/mumbai are the better places. maybe pune too. chennai is bad.
bangalore as someone remarked places close early so just start early. i remember going to drink at bars as early as 8 , getting smashed by 10 and going home at 11:30. there are some nice clubs. you will definitely find talent.
mumbai is a great city , love(d) it. unfortunately spent my childhood there so i have no clue about the clubbing scene.
delhi should be the place for the easiest girls. they have a more crude-ish looks and not my taste really. but definitely good talent. i know girls from here in the usa banging some white dudes.
there are beautiful girls. the average indian girl might not be as good as the average european/american girl. but the top notch ones are top notch.

all in all i would like to say. india is not poland/ukraine. so dont go there to only pick up chicks. india is a place where you go for the food , the culture , the chaos , yoga , a different point of view , an intense experience .. the cultural diversity is mind boggling. if you pick up someone along the way good for you.

[zidhai89]

(11-13-2014 02:43 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Somewhat familiar. Been there several times. The 11 pm shut off for drinks is pretty lame, which I guess explains the brunch drunkeness.

Yup, that was the primary reason behind the rise of brunches. Starts at around noon and goes on till 5-6 pm. The deadline has been extended till 1 though and a lot of places like the the rooftop on Orchid hotel go on till 2-3 on a saturday. Monkey bar in Indiranagar is known to close the shutters and go on till 2-3 am.

(11-13-2014 02:43 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Are hotel events decent places?

Difficult to say. Things keep changing which is why Zomato is best used. Park is the one with I bar right? It's a complete shitfest though i've met a couple of Persian students there. They seem to frequent that joint a bit otherwise I would rate it 2/10.

Ice in the Taj next door is good as is Orchid hotel on old airport road and and a few others like ITC Gardenia.

[Enigma]

How about cock blocking? I see social circle game is best, but are Indian guys open to whites/Americans/foreigners hooking up with Indian women?

How would people, whether it's random strangers or her family, react to a white guy dating a middle to upper class Indian woman?