[kosko]

This was blowing up on my Facebook feed linking to study by Uppsala University which found that milk consumption killed you quicker (upping mortality rates), and actually makes your bones weaker, not stronger, and especially in women.

The Telegraph - Three glasses of milk a day can lead to early death, warn scientists:

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Milk has long been recommended by doctors and nutritionists for boosting calcium intake and helping to keep bones strong.
But research suggests that it does little to strengthen bones and can double the risk of an early death.
A study that tracked 61,000 women and 45,000 men for 20 years found there was no reduction in broken bones for those who consumed the most milk.
For women it was associated with an increased chance of suffering a fracture.
Those who drank three glasses or more a day (680ml) were twice as likely to die early than those who consumed less than one.

Collective-Evolution - Milk Does Not Do A Body Good – Massive New Study Says:

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Milk seems to be making its way through various stages of truth, especially within the past couple of years. Like many other examples, what we once thought to be healthy for us to consume is turning out to be the exact opposite.

A large study coming from researchers at the Uppsala University in Sweden found that drinking milk led to an increased mortality rate and actually made bones more prone to fracturing, not less.(1)

The study was recently published in the peer reviewed British Medical Journal, and was specifically conducted to examine whether high milk consumption is associated with mortality and fractures in both men and women.

The study took place across three different counties in Sweden, and used data from two large Swedish cohorts, one with 61,433 women aged approximately 39-74 years old and one with 45, 339 men aged approximately 45-79 years old. They were all administered food frequency questionnaires. The study used “multivariable survival models” that were “applied to determine the association between milk consumption and time to mortality and fracture.

The results were as follows:

“During a mean follow-up of 20.1 years, 15 541 women died and 17 252 had a fracture, of whom 4259 had a hip fracture. In the male cohort with a mean follow-up of 11.2 years, 10 112 men died and 5066 had a fracture, with 1166 hip fracture cases. In women the adjusted mortality hazard ratio for three or more glasses of milk a day compared with less than one glass a day was 1.93 (95% confidence interval 1.80 to 2.06). For every glass of milk, the adjusted hazard ratio of all cause mortality was 1.15 (1.13 to 1.17) in women and 1.03 (1.01 to 1.04) in men. For every glass of milk in women no reduction was observed in fracture risk with higher milk consumption for any fracture (1.02, 1.00 to 1.04) or for hip fracture (1.09, 1.05 to 1.13). The corresponding adjusted hazard ratios in men were 1.01 (0.99 to 1.03) and 1.03 (0.99 to 1.07). In subsamples of two additional cohorts, one in males and one in females, a positive association was seen between milk intake and both urine 8-iso-PGF2α (a biomarker of oxidative stress) and serum interleukin 6 (a main inflammatory biomarker).” (1)

The study concluded that high milk intake was associated with higher mortality in one cohort of women and in another cohort of men, and with higher fracture incidence in women. It also concluded:

“Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended.”(1)

LINK: The Study

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This is another instance of mainstream science and opinions being painfully slow. Many researchers have been barking about this since 1989, I first learned about how (pasteurized) cows milk is no better for you then garbage back in 2009 by watching a grainy archive.com lecture by a doctor in 1997 giving a speech on the subject.

Milk minus its beneficial enzymes is very acidic while its processed in our body, and once you start to promote acidic conditions in your body it becomes rife for sickness and ailments which end up putting more mileage on your body then needed and clunking you out to the grave quicker.

This is especially important for women whom with weaker bone density then men are more prone to osteoporosis and bone fractures. Whole industries exist to sell women calcium dust from the ground in gummie bears and chocolate candies to make sure they get ample amounts of low quality calcium.




A woman would be more wise to take two simple tablespoons of ground chia seeds which would provide them with their daily calcium intake in the highest qualities, versus taking candy masquerading as supplement.

Another instance of reassurance that having a red pill thought process is beneficial for your well being as the majority/masses/mainstream are forever behind or in the dark.

[Sawyer]

This book has been around for a while and breaks it down.

[Oz.]

I've know about this for years but only recently took it upon myself to stop drinking it. How long do you figure it takes the body to get used to not having something you consumed almost everyday?

[kaotic]

The last time I drank milk regularly was with Raw Milk.

I used to LOVE milk, I haven't had much in per month for over a decade.

Milk isn't really apart of my diet, I'll have it randomly once in awhile.

[The Beast1]

Hmm my muscles seem to disagree. In fact, milk is partly why I am able to put on muscle mass and keep it.

This seems like more of an attack on protein and saturated fats which by the way are what men need to create muscle and testosterone.

Just wait, all proteins are going to be announced as unhealthy soon and that we should be eating a diet high in grain.

[kosko]

You actually don't process the proteins from convrntional milk. The Calcium inhibits the protein absorbtion, while the fat in milk inhibits the calcium absorption. All you get from covnetional milk is sugar, fat, water, vitamin D.

Do whatever works best for you but milk in its conventional form we have known is bogus coloured water just filled with fat and sugar.

[Tuthmosis]

I don't know guys. I've always said the same thing, but every kid I knew who drank milk like crazy growing up turned out taller than me.

[rudebwoy]

Milk in the shops taste nothing like what comes out of a cow, it is pasteurized crap full of hormones.
Raw milk is heavily monitored and banned in some places because it's good for you.
I haven't touch milk in years, I try to limit dairy as well. Dairy produces a lot of mucus in your body which leads to diseases.

[Phoenix]

(11-05-2014 12:08 PM)kosko Wrote:  

All you get from covnetional milk is sugar, fat, water, vitamin D.

That's fine. As long as it's dense in the fat, I'll continue drinking.

I also seriously doubt all that protein just waves at your muscles on the way to your rectum.
I'm guessing that's an exaggeration and most of it ends up in your blood. But if you have some pub-med links to back it up I'll change my mind.

[The Beast1]

(11-05-2014 12:31 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 12:08 PM)kosko Wrote:  

All you get from covnetional milk is sugar, fat, water, vitamin D.

That's fine. As long as it's dense in the fat, I'll continue drinking.

I also seriously doubt all that protein just waves at your muscles on the way to your rectum.
I'm guessing that's an exaggeration and most of it ends up in your blood. But if you have some pub-med links to back it up I'll change my mind.

Going to second that request for a study on this, doing GOMAD when I first started out I saw immediate strength and mass gains.

Drinking skim milk makes me sick.

[Scorpio Rising]

I like milk and will continue to drink it. I have a favorite local dairy and their milk is delicious. I find the whole health food thing amusing. My view is that if you really want a long life then pick your ancestors. At age 64, having survived two near fatal illnesses I eat and drink whatever I damn well please. My BMI would offend this thin conscious site but I am quite stocky and lift weights regularly. Life is to be enjoyed. It goes by very quickly. 80 years is the blink of an eye in the cosmic sense.

[Cr33pin]

Growing up milk was my go to beverage, I would drink a gallon every 2 or 3 days. I have only broke one bone in my life. (broke a lot of hearts but I don't think the milk played any part in that) Maybe it was the milk giving strong healthy bones like the commercials said or maybe I just have strong bones.

These days its hard to determine whats healthy and whats not... one day milk is the elixir of life the next day its poison... The same thing is happening with every food and beverage just about.
Trying to eat and live healthy is a full time job.

[Sonsowey]

Almondmilk and Coconut milk, check them out.

[Helmutnl]

I wonder if Swedish women drink a lot of milk ?

[VincentVinturi]

[Slim Shady]

As a vegetarian kid who grew up to be 6'3" and a D1 NCAA athlete largely due to milk consumption, I disagree.

[Cr33pin]

[Seamus]

This is an interesting topic.

My family went through a gallon of milk a day growing up, and both my brothers and myself are in the 6'3-6'5 range (my parents are both under 6'). I still drink a fair bit, both because I love the taste and because I think it's helped with my strength gains.

I don't know much about raw milk vs. pasteurized milk, or of the long-term effects for adults, but a quick google search provides plenty of evidence for the correlation between pubescent milk consumption and height.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15981182

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Results indicate that adult height was positively associated with milk consumption at ages 5-12 and 13-17, after controlling for sex, education, and ethnicity...milk consumption frequency and milk intake (measured as grams of milk, or protein or calcium from milk) were significant predictors of the height of 12-18 year olds

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/4/1088.2.short

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Several previous studies showed an effect of milk on height gain in pubertal children. In 1984 Takahashi (4) reported an acceleration of growth in Japan from the 1950s and suggested the importance of milk consumption. And this increase in height was prominent during puberty. In a cross-sectional study, Jirapinyo et al (5) reported that milk intake and parents' height contributed to adolescent height in females. Bonjour et al (6) found that prepubertal girls who consumed a diet including calcium-enriched foods grew in height in a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. In our longitudinal study, the mean height gain in the high-consumption group was higher than that in the low-consumption group, and the difference in height gain between the 2 groups was 2.5 cm/3 y

[The Beast1]

(11-05-2014 01:50 PM)Seamus Wrote:  

This is an interesting topic.

My family went through a gallon of milk a day growing up, and both my brothers and myself are in the 6'3-6'5 range (my parents are both under 6'). I still drink a fair bit, both because I love the taste and because I think it's helped with my strength gains.

I don't know much about raw milk vs. pasteurized milk, or of the long-term effects for adults, but a quick google search provides plenty of evidence for the correlation between pubescent milk consumption and height.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15981182

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Results indicate that adult height was positively associated with milk consumption at ages 5-12 and 13-17, after controlling for sex, education, and ethnicity...milk consumption frequency and milk intake (measured as grams of milk, or protein or calcium from milk) were significant predictors of the height of 12-18 year olds

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/4/1088.2.short

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Several previous studies showed an effect of milk on height gain in pubertal children. In 1984 Takahashi (4) reported an acceleration of growth in Japan from the 1950s and suggested the importance of milk consumption. And this increase in height was prominent during puberty. In a cross-sectional study, Jirapinyo et al (5) reported that milk intake and parents' height contributed to adolescent height in females. Bonjour et al (6) found that prepubertal girls who consumed a diet including calcium-enriched foods grew in height in a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. In our longitudinal study, the mean height gain in the high-consumption group was higher than that in the low-consumption group, and the difference in height gain between the 2 groups was 2.5 cm/3 y

I wish I drank more milk. I feel like I stunted my growth growing up by not eating more fat and protein.

[kosko]

No knock for milk in young children. Children Ned a abundance of good fats and nutrients and since many live of cereal and chicken nuggets milk is always going to help fill that gap. For infants even just swapping skim milk for whole milk can have bad effects as the dense fat is needed to aid in brain and nerve development. This is focusing in on adults and I don't think anybody on this site is younger than 13 so no need to bring up the children in regards to milk. Milk (any dense foods) are needed for kids, but let's not be quick to paint milk as a super food as you can give your kids fish, cheese, yogurt, and cook foods in healthy fats to accomplish the same thing.

In the old days kids would have fish oil, eggs, meat, butter, and other sense foods to promote growth. Kids were never fat because if you take the chains ofbyhem they always burn their energy away. Onlynwhen sederetary lifestyles became the norm with more crappynfood aimed at kids did they start exploded like baby whales.

[civpro]

I don't drink milk because it's good for my bones. I drink it because it's a cheap and easy source of proteins and fats.

[bojangles]

Doesnt the milk in stores vary depending on what country you're in? Milk in England is tasty shit

[lskdfjldsf]

Sorry but no one here is going to convince me that the liquid responsible for boobs (think about the gravity of milk's importance for humans and what that means for us as men) is a bad thing. Drinking it from other mammals is the subject of fair debate though.

In the words of Dave Chappelle, "Breaaast milk, you make my daa-aay."

[Helmutnl]

I don't know about Sweden but Dutch women drink a lot of milk and eat a lot of cheese and they look very healthy and wholesome..

[Old Fritz]

I'll continue to drink milk anyway