[Gosh900]

I don't think they need hotels and shit. They can hold seminars and hot seats in rented houses if they want as they did for years.

What suck for them is that they got exposed and lots of girls now have seen their faces. If this will grow even bigger and reach to make the headline at US newspapers they'll have lots of problems.
Their business is to go around clubs, bars and streets and approach women but if their faces go public and girls (or other people at the places they go) recognize them they are fucked.

[Nascimento]

I just remembered something.

One of the RSD guys who was a friend of mine at the time.. Typical lack of proper social behaviour. At the time it didn't bother me, but thinking back, I'm glad I didn't end up getting absorbed into the RSD type culture like some guys I knew did. During this time I was still open minded about it.

Anyways this is what he did. First, I was by myself in the crowd at peak time campus club night, and I ran into a group of two girls, one of which I knew from classes and from sports. Yeah, I'd bang her but she wasn't really a sexual interest to me. I was just catching up with her on conversation and her friend seemed interested in me. We were having a fun chat for a couple minutes when RSD guy comes in, and I clue in that he will help me and I can help him. I introduce him, to the girl I know mostly so they can start chatting and this is what he does as she sticks her hand out to greet him:

He grabs her face with both his hands and pulls her in aggressively for a makeout.

The girl panics, I cringe and give him a look 'what are you thinking man?' and he laughs and approaches some other girl shortly after.

Besides destroying the fun mood of the conversation, it gave me a bad image. It also upset me. Like I said, at the time it didn't bother me. That is probably because in a way I looked up to these guys - I couldn't help it, I was the 19 year old having his first few nights out, newbie, and learning from guys that knew about game. Back then I was clueless. Nowadays I cannot associate with dudes with this type of behaviour. I have some eccentric game friends but they are socially calibrated and are not flat out retarded.

The worst part is despite such stupid behaviour the odd time it does yield rewards. It is a numbers game. So it reinforces that behaviour and they keep doing it.

So you see these videos of these instructors doing 'day game like its night game' showing successes (I would think to give a good message, I dont know I don't watch the videos anymore). Being aggressive with girls during the day. Yes it can work, but it's a dramatically low success rate, and combined with the social faults most RSD guys have it results in the phenomenon of stupid approach robots.

They reward themselves when they make a girl feel uncomfortable and backlash towards them, because they tell themselves it's a reference experience and they are challenging their comfort zone. Really? I know this because I felt that way when I did RSD stuff time ago (although I was never remotely close to doing it to an extreme). How my mindset has changed. And I see so many guys trapped there like I used to be, with no way out or signs of progress.

Thankfully, I had the awareness to start piecing things together. I realized I don't want to go around the club calling girls dogs or approaching girls with boyfriends on purpose to challenge myself in some way to improve my game. I have a friend who payed a few grand for a bootcamp with one of their biggest instructors. I tried to give him advice against it, although very passively, its ultimately his decision. He told me his instructor and him went around calling the girls dogs and telling them to obey them and challenging guys with girls to push themselves out of their comfort zone. My friend said it was worth it, that it improved his game because he never imagined being able to do that before, new reference experiences and what not. Said he almost got in a fight and he sounded excited about it, I mean, if guys are starting fights with you its because you are a threat to them because your game is rock solid right?



Damn that's some distaste for RSD out my chest.

[Roosh]

Quote:

I don't think they need hotels and shit. They can hold seminars and hot seats in rented houses if they want as they did for years.

That works great, unless the mob arrives to your location and chases you off, which is what just happened:

Quote:

#TakeDownJulianBlanc protesters assembled at the dock at Southbank after learning the event had been relocated to a boat on the Yarra River because a number of hotels had refused to host it, the Herald Sun reported.

Although they didn't stop Max from starting his talk on "how to be a very assertive man," the picketers did keep the boat from leaving shore. Melbourne River Cruises eventually called the police, who escorted the pickup students off the vessel while women chanted "walk of shame."

http://gawker.com/sad-creepy-pickup-arti...1655394388

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victori...79e1cae0af

Quote:

Blanc and Maximilian have events scheduled in Australia through December 20, if they can find venues willing to accommodate them. #TakeDownJulienBlanc participants have tweeted that they'll be at every one.

They're going after him pretty hard:

http://tindersfinestbachelors.tumblr.com...t-be-proud

[runsonmagic]

(11-06-2014 09:59 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

I just remembered something.

One of the RSD guys who was a friend of mine at the time.. Typical lack of proper social behaviour. At the time it didn't bother me, but thinking back, I'm glad I didn't end up getting absorbed into the RSD type culture like some guys I knew did. During this time I was still open minded about it.

Anyways this is what he did. First, I was by myself in the crowd at peak time campus club night, and I ran into a group of two girls, one of which I knew from classes and from sports. Yeah, I'd bang her but she wasn't really a sexual interest to me. I was just catching up with her on conversation and her friend seemed interested in me. We were having a fun chat for a couple minutes when RSD guy comes in, and I clue in that he will help me and I can help him. I introduce him, to the girl I know mostly so they can start chatting and this is what he does as she sticks her hand out to greet him:

He grabs her face with both his hands and pulls her in aggressively for a makeout.

The girl panics, I cringe and give him a look 'what are you thinking man?' and he laughs and approaches some other girl shortly after.

Besides destroying the fun mood of the conversation, it gave me a bad image. It also upset me. Like I said, at the time it didn't bother me. That is probably because in a way I looked up to these guys - I couldn't help it, I was the 19 year old having his first few nights out, newbie, and learning from guys that knew about game. Back then I was clueless. Nowadays I cannot associate with dudes with this type of behaviour. I have some eccentric game friends but they are socially calibrated and are not flat out retarded.

The worst part is despite such stupid behaviour the odd time it does yield rewards. It is a numbers game. So it reinforces that behaviour and they keep doing it.

So you see these videos of these instructors doing 'day game like its night game' showing successes (I would think to give a good message, I dont know I don't watch the videos anymore). Being aggressive with girls during the day. Yes it can work, but it's a dramatically low success rate, and combined with the social faults most RSD guys have it results in the phenomenon of stupid approach robots.

They reward themselves when they make a girl feel uncomfortable and backlash towards them, because they tell themselves it's a reference experience and they are challenging their comfort zone. Really? I know this because I felt that way when I did RSD stuff time ago (although I was never remotely close to doing it to an extreme). How my mindset has changed. And I see so many guys trapped there like I used to be, with no way out or signs of progress.

Thankfully, I had the awareness to start piecing things together. I realized I don't want to go around the club calling girls dogs or approaching girls with boyfriends on purpose to challenge myself in some way to improve my game. I have a friend who payed a few grand for a bootcamp with one of their biggest instructors. I tried to give him advice against it, although very passively, its ultimately his decision. He told me his instructor and him went around calling the girls dogs and telling them to obey them and challenging guys with girls to push themselves out of their comfort zone. My friend said it was worth it, that it improved his game because he never imagined being able to do that before, new reference experiences and what not. Said he almost got in a fight and he sounded excited about it, I mean, if guys are starting fights with you its because you are a threat to them because your game is rock solid right?



Damn that's some distaste for RSD out my chest.

^^^^



This.

Aggressive burn-it-to-the-ground pickup only works when you know you won't have to deal with the fallout. I've been guilty of doing this myself when I travel, because I know if I'm only in town for a day or two, it's more important to find the one or two girls who want me, then to worry about the dozen girls who are offended by how forward I am.

This is why I feel like the community will eventually have to move in the direction of social circle game and building niche fame. Those kind of tactics don't work if you have to see the people again, and if all the girls you're hitting on are going to talk to each other later. You'll burn your social circle to the ground doing that.

[Nascimento]

^^

I have nothing against aggressive, 'caveman' type game. I like to be aggressive when I can, when I'm doing nights out.

The thing is, proper, calibrated aggressive game means you have the awareness to know if the girl digs you or not. If she is down for the dance with you. There's nothing wrong with being forward and escalating strong, if she's into you.

The problem is these RSD guys don't have that awareness, they don't know how to escalate properly, they are not socially calibrated enough to understand cues, etc. A girl that is not into it will let them know right away but they will push on, and the girl will resort to some type of overt way of rejecting him (as opposed to just 'I have a bf') and the guy will conclude it must be a problem with the girl, whatever, approach a new one. They don't realize the problem is with themselves.

[berserk]

Never cared for RSD.

Not much to add that hasn't been said. There's enough idiots giving white guys a bad rep in the East already.

I use caveman techniques quite often, including the throat grab and light physical restriction, but obviously in much different settings and attraction levels. You can get away with quite a lot physical behavior with northern euro girls in the nightlife. Touching someone in public in the daytime however is definitely crossing the line in most of Asia. I remember nightgaming in Japan and having to re-calibrate quite a lot in regards to how much touching you can get away with and when. Still more than say Thailand (outside pro places), but way less than Europe.

I don't give a shit about the feminist reaction, but it's imperative that China and Japan don't end up as Thailand. Someone needs to set him and the hordes of autistic followers straight.

[Roosh]

Live outrage feed: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=...n&src=typd

[monster]

The interesting thing about the pickup business is it's antifragile. Basically, when the feminists wage war on pickup businesses it actually strengthens them by 1) increasing pickup guy's distaste for feminism and white knights, and 2) bringing pickup to the front page and therefore capturing a larger audience of disenfranchised men to it.

The pickup industry is really interesting like that. In today's world, when SJWs wage war it results in the embarrassment and shame of someone and they usually get fired. In pickup, however, it strengthens them and expands the audience. Can't really think of any other industry like it that's so antifragile to SJWs.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Found this great gem on the link above Roosh posted:
http://tindersfinestbachelors.tumblr.com...4731409650

[Nascimento]

(11-06-2014 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Found this great gem on the link above Roosh posted:
http://tindersfinestbachelors.tumblr.com...4731409650

If that is legit then



Haha, the first time I've ever used two gifs in one day.

[runsonmagic]

(11-06-2014 10:47 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Found this great gem on the link above Roosh posted:
http://tindersfinestbachelors.tumblr.com...4731409650

If that is legit then



Haha, the first time I've ever used two gifs in one day.

It is. Julien talks about in one of his videos.

Yes, that is terrible game. Julien is writing for the drama, not the lay.

[Vacancier Permanent]

I'd love to see these creeps go to say Brasil or Colombia or Russia or Poland or heck even Thailand and try shoving girls head to their crotch or kissing a convenience store girl against her will! Would LOVE to see these clowns get a nice ass wooping!

[runsonmagic]

RSD is doing their first ever live-stream of an event right now. Todd RSD in Seattle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC2V_vy2...e=youtu.be

[runsonmagic]

(11-06-2014 10:56 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I'd love to see these creeps go to say Brasil or Colombia or Russia or Poland or heck even Thailand and try shoving girls head to their crotch or kissing a convenience store girl against her will! Would LOVE to see these clowns get a nice ass wooping!

Why? What would you gain from that?

[runsonmagic]

I would also like to point out that #TakeDownJulienBlanc people are watching this thread:

https://twitter.com/FifthEstateOz/status...6301086720

Quote:

Pickup forum unintentionlly helps us target RSD's vulnerabilities. Ladies, report this behaviour

Hi Ladies! You'll like my ROK column on this issue tomorrow. I'll tell you everything you need to know to #TakeDownJulienBlanc.

[Saladin]

(11-06-2014 09:39 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 09:00 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

A monumental fuckup, and I'm sure tens of thousands of dollars in lost revenue for RSD.

I can't believe Tyler's backing Julien up. This is clearly hurting RSD's business.

And you know this how? You've run how many businesses in your life?

Going by RSD's history, from reveling at being the villain in The Game, to trolling that Jezebel writer, this reaction is better than anything they could've dreamed of. The video was entirely staged in hopes of getting a Sam Pepper type reaction. I just did a google search on rsdnation for "Tyler Sam Pepper" and there are several pages of Tyler posts in which he mentions Pepper. He clearly was looking for that type of thunder.

To think Tyler had nothing to do with this is naive--everything involving RSD has Tyler's fingerprints on it.

Those of you who have any sympathy for RSD have it wrong. They're laughing at the newfound traffic they're receiving, in hopes they'll be able to convert some of the beta white knights into customers.

I've been looking at Julien's Youtube page, his subscribers has increased by around 5,000-6,000 I believe(from around 41,000-46,000).

An essentially 12 percent increase in subscriber base, but in return he's going to have issues for at least the next few months in terms of holding events. There's chances RSD will be blacklisted from major hotel chains that'll make their life 10 times harder. Chances are the more educated, successful part of their clientele will avoid their events in the future.

This paints the whole company as condoning this kind of behavior. I know Alex, Todd, and Brad are probably very angry at all this negative publicity. Especially Alex, whose style of pickup is essentially confident nice guy game.

Also this is a huge victory for the SJWs and feminists, and enforces their narrative perfectly.

[Nascimento]

delete

[Saladin]

Alex weighs in and distances himself from this whole debacle.

As I've said before, Alex's material is quite different from the rest of RSD, and he has in the past strongly criticized other instructors like Julien and Tyler.

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-06-2014 10:14 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

The problem is these RSD guys don't have that awareness,

If Style is to be believed, the apple is not falling far from the tree. Lack of calibration and awareness was a defining characteristic of Tyler.

WIA

[Phoenix]

(11-06-2014 11:17 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

There's chances RSD will be blacklisted from major hotel chains that'll make their life 10 times harder. Chances are the more educated, successful part of their clientele will avoid their events in the future.

This paints the whole company as condoning this kind of behavior. I know Alex, Todd, and Brad are probably very angry at all this negative publicity. Especially Alex, whose style of pickup is essentially confident nice guy game.

Also this is a huge victory for the SJWs and feminists, and enforces their narrative perfectly.

Good. All this is fine.

The other 'instructors' can abandon them and start their own brand.
Leave that freak and his sociopath sidekick to the wolves.

And no, it would be a victory for 'sane, decent human beings, who see that behavior as disgusting'.

[Deluge]

Julien had to leave Australia because his visa was canceled by the Immigration Minister. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-new...alian-tour

The Immigration Minister has a reputation as a hard-right conservative and is the most hated member of government by progressives. While the Federal government overall had been pushing to advance freedom of speech laws earlier this year, so this is quite surprising. Islamist groups giving speeches in support of ISIS haven't received this kind of sanction from the public or the government.

I predicted this controversy would blow up and it did. When people you know are sharing the story on Facebook it means it's gone mainstream.

And there's nothing a pickup company can do if their visas get canceled. The Mystery Method era pickup bootcamp model needs to hung up alongside the fuzzy hat's.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quote:

Although they didn't stop Max from starting his talk on "how to be a very assertive man," the picketers did keep the boat from leaving shore.

This is disgusting! Don't SJWs have any shame at all? Protesting might be fine, but physically interfering with a business is totally crazy. It just shows how those people feel confident that no one is going to kick their asses because they are backed by the police state.

[Matt Forney]

I won't shed a single tear if RSD goes in flames... but empowering SJWs to engage in this kind of terrorism is a very bad idea.

The smart play here would be to hang back and let the #TakeDownJulienBlanc people wreak as much havoc as possible, then strike them when they're weak and exhausted. Basically, like the Battle of Waterloo, where Napoleon defeated Wellington's forces, then Blucher mopped the floor with Napoleon's tired and exhausted troops. Or the Eastern Front of World War II, where the Allies gained from having the Russians and Germans bleeding out their strength against each other as long as possible.

This is all purely hypothetical, of course.

[Phoenix]

(11-07-2014 02:06 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Julien had to leave Australia because his visa was canceled by the Immigration Minister. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-new...alian-tour

The Immigration Minister has a reputation as a hard-right conservative and is the most hated member of government by progressives. While the Federal government overall had been pushing to advance freedom of speech laws earlier this year, so this is quite surprising. Islamist groups giving speeches in support of ISIS haven't received this kind of sanction from the public or the government.

Actually the Australian government has been abridging freedom of speech.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...free-press

Pretty heavy handed, but there are some real authoritarian nuts in the latest Australian government. He probably just did it because he can.

[Deluge]

(11-07-2014 02:26 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Actually the Australian government has been abridging freedom of speech.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...free-press

Pretty heavy handed, but there are some real authoritarian nuts in the latest Australian government. He probably just did it because he can.

I was talking about their failed attempt to repeal section 18c of the racial discrimination act, which is more relevant to this than restricting whistleblowing. I reckon he did to improve his standing with feminists. Tony Abbott's "track record on women" couldn't get much worse so they've been trying to pander to them, i.e their ridiculously expensive paid parental leave scheme.