[supadoopa_paratroopa]

The old "marriage makes a man healthier and wealthier" canard.

Never confuse cause and effect. Women aren't lining up to marry thugs, drug dealers, HIV infected gay men, gang-bangers, and the morbidly obese... Men die younger from violence, accidents and therefore never marry. They also don't live long enough to go up the ladder and make more $$$.

Everyone here knows women are shrewd when it comes to siphoning off money and status from men. They may sleep with and have children with bad men, have bastard spawn with them, but marry? Nope.

The stats are skewed because women are cut-throat when it comes to the wedding ring. An intelligent man with ambition and a good career will be able to do what he wants later in life if he doesn't succumb to the constant browbeating by relatives and female acquaintance make an "honest" woman out of one of his girls.

Unless you're a religious type, or really want kids - don't do it. The lies that it will complete you are intentional. A single man with money and no woman to spend it is a sin against society, don't ya know?

[Enigma]

(10-27-2014 08:06 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Productive and efficient with his time for whom?

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I'm more productive for my own needs than any married man with an awesome traditional wife. It's because that married man puts his wife and kids first, while I put myself first. You think your married man has time to learn a couple of languages on the side, or lift weights / play sports 7 days a week? I doubt it.

Why would being married not allow you a couple hours a day to lift weights and study languages?

It's because you're again bringing children into the equation, which I have already addressed.

It's like saying, "I don't have as much free time since I bought a dog". Yeah, you also have a dog, which is a very fulfilling experience worth the extra expense and time commitment for SOME people.

Whether or not to carry on your legacy, experience the joys of fatherhood, etc. shouldn't be a question of money and free time.

And this is coming from someone in his mid-20s who's deadly afraid of getting a girl pregnant. That doesn't mean I view it as some waste of time and money for the guy who really wants to do it.

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It takes more than one traditional woman to make that a valuable arrangement for a man. It takes the whole society to value the family man aka patriarch, to make the sacrifice of his freedom worthwhile.

Yes, which is why I said I was specifically talking about non-Western cultures multiple times in my post. I understand that it takes up space to quote an entire post, but you're cherry picking specific points and ignoring the very relevant background I gave for them.

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This is very true. In my early 20s, I'd definitely appreciate things like home cooked meals, household chores being taken care of and regular sex with the same woman way more than I do now. As I now have cooking & chores down pat and have more options for sex now than I did in my early 20s, I simply don't value what a traditional woman brings to the table all that much.

The question is not whether you value them. The question is whether a man who makes $50, $100, $500, $1000+ an hour, who's time is extremely valuable, could be doing something else with the hour he spends cooking, doing dishes and laundry, etc., even if it's just relaxing with a book and conserving mental energy or pursuing a hobby.

How much times does the average guy here spend daily on game, approaching, dates, etc.? I'd say AT LEAST 1 to 3 hours, if not more.

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Guess what, neither do any of you RVF bachelors. If you did, you'd be on a plane to some traditional countries, find a girl and marry her. You know where to find them, you have the datasheets, you know they're way better wives than Western women. Yet none of you is actively looking for marriage. Priorities

Again, the question isn't whether we value and pursue marriage at this point of our lives, it's whether you save more money by not being married.

Kids, dogs, and sports cars cost money but if it's something you very much WANT, then the expense is worth it.

Going on multiple dates a day, spending money on drinks every night, going to coffee shops or malls constantly -- all of that costs money.

Learning game, approaching hundreds of women, following up on leads, going on dates, getting flaked on, posting up in cafes or clubs for hours on end -- all of that costs time.

If you'd like to run the numbers, I'm confident the results will be pretty conclusive in favor of marriage from a financial perspective.

But you WANT to do it, therefore the cost is justified and even welcome. That doesn't mean you're NOT spending time or money or that everyone has to agree with your interests.

It's been discussed here many times before that being a player is time consuming, expensive, and often lonely. But it's the life many of us chose and enjoy.

There are also guys here who prefer mini or long-term relationships or are actually married.