[MikeinMKE]

The only reason I think I might be okay is b/c this girl is Ukranian with Ukranain friends/values even though she has lived in America for 15 years.

First date was great - lots of fun banter, talked for hours over 3 rounds, ended with some making out and very light petting. We texted regularly but the 2nd date wasn't for 3 weeks b/c of my work travels.

Tonight was 2nd date - we were both tired and both get up early Monday AM for work. She brought me a book for my Bday and we had only 2 glasses of wine each and split an entree. The talk was fun and good but we only hung out for 2 hours and then I walked her to her condo nearby. Kiss was not passionate and somewhat awkward, and she broke it. She seemed bashful. Apologized about it.

If this was an Americanized girl I know I'd be dead in the water. But man I really like this chick - I'd drop my slutty harem for her in a heartbeat. She's so hot, she's a very rare good girl who would be everything that Roosh talks about and what I have fantasized about. A beautiful, feminine, true woman - so rare these days.

Any analysis? The gift was a good sign but that was purchased and thought out before tonight, in the afterglow of what was an undeniably great first date. Tonight was what I'd call a mediocre date by any stretch. Should I play it super cool and not text her for a couple days just to get hamster going? I feel like I need advice and hope I didn't lose the frame tonight.

She texted me after the first date and thanked me and so far no such text tonight. Should I wait til tomorrow to text her and thank her for the book?

[boinerd]

Did you bang her already?

[reco2100]

I don't think it went that bad. Think about it. When would an American chick be thoughtful enough to bring you anything on her own. You want to encourage this good behavior.

I would continue to game her. Get her out on a good night. And go for the bang. And yes I would thank her for the gift. It gives you an excuse to contact her.

[Travesty]

Don't start liking her too much until you *know* she likes you much more than you like her i.e. to the point you don't have consult this forum asking for signs. Right now it sounds like you are losing the who likes who more war.

When you banged her 20 times and she is asking you to meet her friends you can start liking her.

Push away much further than you are. Yes play it super cool. You can never force a woman to like you more by being needy.

Stick with the battleplan get in her pants.

If you really like this chick the best thing you could do is challenge yourself to go bang another new chick before you see her again. Not kidding.

An almost golden rule I have experienced and seen on this forum is you have usually about a max 2 week window between getting her number and banging before your odds plummet. 1 week is a good window to stuff 2 or possibly 3 dates to get the bang in.

Your business trip stacked the odds against you. You are still in America. A girl's Bang Shot Clock is short. Don't feel bad if you lose this one. The odds mounted on you...

[MikeinMKE]

I know I sound like a huge puss in my post, Travesty but trust me, I'm not. I've got dates 5 out of 6 nights this week with girls other than her (she's not written in stone yet but I"m including her in that tally) and I'm banging 3 of the chicks and obv. shooting to convert the other one as well. I literally do have the best soft harem that I've ever had in my life right now. So that kind of mental rigging of the system apparently doesn't work for me. I'm 36 and I'm ready to get into (at the very least) a true mini relationship with one girl that I'm super into. I've identified that chick as this one, and even my tons of pussy to fall back on isn't helping me keep my frame too much.