Quote: (10-16-2014 02:04 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:
Quote: (10-16-2014 12:53 AM)MikeCF Wrote:
Roosh does 0 Internet Marketing.
That simply isn't true.
Providing content is internet marketing 101.
So is email lists and you will notice Roosh has a signup for a list on his blog.
Roosh pushing people to share his videos or sign up for his youtube channel is internet marketing.
Getting facebook likes on ROK articles is internet marketing.
Roosh started doing more of a launch style for his new books with bonuses which is also marketing.
It sounds like you have a very narrow view of internet marketing and that is understandable because it is mainly associated with biz op bullshit these days but all of this is still what is considered internet marketing.
Like it or not, most of the stuff you wrote about is considered internet marketing.
Yeah, but that's clearly just arguing semantics. I told my mother the other night I was writing a new book - that's marketing too.
MikeCF is referring to internet marketing as in, "If I go to an internet marketing company, what would they do for me?" People pay huge money to SEO companies.. and if I spent 1k a month for them to tell me "Write good posts and put a "like" button on them" they wouldn't be getting my 1k the next month.
MikeCF is referring to organic traffic building versus inorganic traffic building. It's perfectly doable, and despite what Glider says above, you aren't going to be wiped out overnight by an Xrumer blast of 100k porn links. Google is more sophisticated than that. A friend of mine issued a challenge once on the very subject to a bunch of blackhatters. He said, "Blast my site with as many bad links as you want." That site stayed indexed. Pre-Panda, Pre-Penguin, Post-Panda and Post-Penguin. That site is still up and still doing well, because despite the algorithms making mistakes, generally they work perfectly fine.
Sure, someone could probably get a two month old spam site deindexed. But who is going to do that anyway? I don't trawl the net for new sites that are in my niche so I can blast them with scat porn, because I've got to actually work on my sites in that time. Suggesting that someone doesn't start a site because they'll get deindexed by an internet marketer is like saying, "don't go to bars because jerks will beat you up at closing time."
That said, blogging is hard work and there's a lot of survivor bias. I think a real issue is having something to say, and a novel way to say it. The funniest example I can think of in recent times was a post that Victor Pride did. I don't know Victor in any capacity, but people vouch for him being a helpful fellow. He posted saying, "I'll critique your blog idea and help make it happen."
He received hundreds of comments. Great.
Except loads of them were like, "Yeah man. I'm going to start a site about working out, motivation and I'm gonna monetize it with an ebook about how to get disciplined."
I mean, I must have read two dozen of these comments. These guys were asking for help to compete with the guy who was helping them. That's not finding a niche market or bringing something new to the table. You can guarantee that if that guy starts a blog there'll be three posts on it and a link to buy his book, "28 days of discipline!" or "Roman Warrior Fitness."
To have a more indepth look at that, Victor Pride's company is called "Superdrive Publishing." Put in a Google Search for "Superdrive Publishing" with the quotes. You'll see loads of sites where guys couldn't even be bothered to write their own terms and conditions. They've literally copy and pasted Victor's, leaving his company name in. Most of them have site names like, "Bold and Adventurous" and "Brave and Determined" and shit like that. You've never going to get an audience if you can't even be bothered to write your own material.
Most guys are at a place (especially in the manosphere) where they don't actually have anything to say, and they aren't mature enough to say it.
Thats the sole issue with blogging. All other issues stem from it.
As an example, MikeCF blogged about everyone doing blog carnivals. It's a great idea. Everyone has their own niche. One guy might be doing "Juicing for men" one guy "Juicing for women" and another guy "Healthy chicken recipes for bodybuilders." They all link to each other, each has a new perspective and so on. It's an evergreen SEO technique.
So I started looking through websites of the web. I'm desperately trying to find new material for these blog roundups, because they're fantastic for traffic. My weekly roundups are the top viewed pages on my site (aside from the key pages,) because people retweet, share, and otherwise visit their own links and links of people they follow.
The problem I have though (and bear in mind, I'm no blogging superstar) is that guys aren't thinking about the fact that their site needs to be well made and well named. Nobody is going to link to "5 reasons my life sucks" or any of those negative posts. I can't link to sites which are clear "Buy this thing from Amazon" and nothign else posts, or posts that are spelled wrong, because it ruins my own credibility. And a big thing for manosphere types is that there are rampant stupidly named sites. I'm not going to link to a site called "QUIT PORN GET SLUTS" or "My Journey to Being a Pussy Slayer" because even if I agree with the post I want to link, it's just the sort of thing that'll put readers off. Those same posts coming from "Pornfreelife" or "Gentleman Player" or something would get the link.
So some practical advice:
Name your site well. If you can't say it out loud in public or tell your mom, you probably should reconsider. Branding is the most obvious and elusive part of the whole thing.
Write it well. You'll make typos, but correct them when you see them. Don't be afraid to change a page after you've published it.
You can circumvent most traffic problems by actually having a unique thing to say. My personal recommendation is to take a hobby or interest and work on it for hundreds of hours until you've learned so many tricks and shortcuts that you're the only person in the world who has actually worked something out. This can be really mundane, but if you have the answer, people will share it. For instance, I can see if you're a guitarist, you could have a guitar blog. "25 Songs You NEED to Play To Get Girls" is not going to get you traffic. What will?
"How to never lose a plectrum again." (Use blu-tack)
"How to make new guitar strings keep their tune completely."
"How to stop dust collecting on those bits of the guitar you can't get in to clean."
^ I don't have a guitar blog, know those would get traffic. Why? Because they are things that if you were to hang out with guitarists, they'd bitch about. They're the sort of things that a guitarist would be sat in front of his computer and think, "Hey man, how can I do that?" They're the sort of posts that they'd then facebook to their friends.
They're also infinitely more helpful and nuanced than "check out this new Fender guitar by clicking my amazon link!" and "My journey to becoming a rock star GOD."
