[Nomad77]

Sure, I just continue as normal. Sometimes they will want to start seeing your outside. Then you have to decide how to handle it. Yes, I still tip them but I don't tip them any more than normal. What I do is use this environment to create a bubble effect between us. It's like going to Vegas for weekend or something. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

[Yeti]

Protip: The area between the arse and the penis is called the perineum, aka the gooch.

[warder]

This one is tough man. You need next level game to pull something like this off in my humble opinion. Most guys would get flat out rejected trying something like this unless they are a combo of very good looking and extremely well calibrated.

I'm no slouch with the ladies, and would probably never try this unless I was getting crazy strong vibe from the girl. Very easy to come off as creepy.

[Yeti]

I don't think that it comes off as creepy if you back off if she's not interested. If she's not interested, just back off.

What's the worst that would happen? She's not going to get her boss to call the police - they don't want the attention, and if they were the kind of place to call the police, you'd have heard about these kinds of incidents before.

I agree though that this is next level frame and game. But remember, you are inversely creepy to the degree that she is attracted to you. Keep yourself fit and loose and just try it - she may be mad bored and will welcome the reprieve. If not, just stop and enjoy the massage.

Fantastic writeup. I am going overseas in the spring and may give this a try, and write back here.

[Onto]

I don't think you need next level game. I did the same thing technique as Nomad did in NYC with an FOB asian and my level of game is low, I'm bald, and have a hairy body. All you have to do is have her massage your hands, arms and then touch her hands, look into her eyes and then she knows where you are coming from. You will then know how she feels about that.

I didn't have the balls to try and bang her in the massage room though! Just got the number and met at my apt later.

Nice breakdown Nomad on the how to's. I may start getting massages more often and using your formula.

[Nomad77]

Here is what I can tell you. IF you think something is "creepy" then it will be. The power of inner game is changing your internal beliefs about what is ok and not ok, and what is possible or not possible. A vibe is not a gift your receive it's a fire you build together. It is a reactive process, a feedback loop. The most you can ever hope for is that the girl is willing to build the vibe with you BUT you have to start it and you have to grow it. As long as she is contributing in some small way that's as much as you will ever get 99% of the time. I start creating this vibe the moment I take off my clothes and lie down on that table. I start creating it within me. I know she will feel it once she starts to touch me.

The first person you need to game is not the girl, it's yourself.

PS And in the interest of full disclosure I can say this: I have a pretty decent body - like a swimmer. Very few girls would complain about having to give me a massage.

[klosck]

A few years back I was in the military and stationed at Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan. They have a hair salon/massage parlour there that is staffed by a bunch of cute girls from Kyrgyzstan. A massage would cost $20 per hour and take place in a booth separated by a curtain. As far as getting anything extra, it was not the easiest place. There were signs posted which stated the girls were instructed to immediately report any request for sexual services. The MPs would regularly conduct stings and try to bust the girls. And there was not a lot of privacy because of the curtain. Anyone could hear what you said unless you whispered, and the managers often peeked their heads in.

Even with all of that I still managed to get laid, which I was pretty happy about considering the 50+:1 girl to guy ratio. My plan was to get a massage once per week. If I was assigned a girl who I had good vibes with, I would make an appointment with her once a week and take it it slowly. I didn't want to try too hard because I knew these girls were regularly propositioned from horny soldiers. I was going to do the opposite approach.

I actually only had to go a couple times before I found my girl. She had a sexy body, a cute Eurasian face, and seemed to like talking to me. After about 3 sessions or so, I finally made a very small move. When the session was over,I quietly asked for her email and to my joy, she accepted. We emailed each other a couple times, scheduled a meet-up in the courtyard area of the PX. She showed up with her sister, and had to sit across the table from me because they were not allowed to meetup or date men on the base. As lame as that was, it escalated pretty quickly thereafter. For our next meetup, I was able to borrow our office pickup for a few hours. I drove her to a fairly secluded part of the base, and we had a nice makeout session. On the third meetup, I convinced her to sneak into my room, and that's all it took. Every Sunday night I had a regular supply of pussy, which is not the easiest thing to get in Afghanistan.

Although this situation isn't typical, one take away that I got from this that it can pay off if you 'invest' in one girl. Slowly develop the relationship before you start escalating. She did actually tell me that if I had started massaging her hands back (which is a move lots of the soldiers apparently also tried) then she would have been immediately turned off. However I don't doubt OPs strategy either since he obviously has the right vibe to make it work.

[jamaicabound]

(10-08-2014 08:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Don't worry most of the girls you meet you won't want to be sexual with so getting a good massage is easy. Personally, I don't mind a little sensuality thrown into anything I do. It's the spice in my life. There is nothing illegal about banging a massage girl. It's no more illegal than banging a sales girl in the dressing room of Macy's. In all the years I have done this I have never once had any problems either with the girl or the places.

You don't have to worry about guys hitting on these girls. It doesn't happen. Most guys are too scared to even get a boner.

I would have to disagree with that. I get some dudes are like too shy to get a massage in the first place worrying about popping wood but just read a couple message board threads and massage therapists are always whining about guys hitting on them or looking for extras. Some are obviously a bit more brazen than others but at the very least I bet you every guy tugs his towel down a bit or hints for something.

I think this topic is a very thin line between you having game and hooking up with a massage therapist or getting some free extras and basically paying for it. Essentially if your tipping you really dont know if you got it cuz she liked you or cuz she wanted a tip.

Also, though there may not be anything "illegal" about fucking a massage girl if it happens during a session your paying for its essentially illegal. I guess both parties could say oh he paid for the massage I blew him cuz I liked him but at the very least its grounds for a massage chick to lose her job and her license. Also at most of these places the walls are thin, sometimes its more a loft kind of setup where walls dont even go to the ceiling and massage tables squeek so I doubt any dudes are really hammering girls on the massage table unless its in a more private setting like a home

[jamaicabound]

(10-08-2014 10:40 PM)Yeti Wrote:  

I don't think that it comes off as creepy if you back off if she's not interested. If she's not interested, just back off.

What's the worst that would happen? She's not going to get her boss to call the police - they don't want the attention, and if they were the kind of place to call the police, you'd have heard about these kinds of incidents before.

I agree though that this is next level frame and game. But remember, you are inversely creepy to the degree that she is attracted to you. Keep yourself fit and loose and just try it - she may be mad bored and will welcome the reprieve. If not, just stop and enjoy the massage.

Fantastic writeup. I am going overseas in the spring and may give this a try, and write back here.

At a legit place them calling the cops actually is a possibility. WOuld you get arrested probably not but at the very least an embaressing situation. I agree thats probably not likely they probably just kick you out mid massage and tell you not to come back but again, like I said in a previous post, read some threads on massage forums about this topic and you'll find so many high on their horse women who are massage therapists basically saying they are the equivalent of a medical doctor and how dare someone think they can get a happy ending or hookup or whatever else, many outright say if that ever happenned in my salon I'd call the cops so don't put it past them. Now obviously you could probably read the vibe of one of these chicks and not try in the first place but tread carefully.

[blacknwhitespade]

http://www.rubmaps.com/

Legit

[jamaicabound]

(10-09-2014 01:20 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

http://www.rubmaps.com/

Legit

Yeah I've seen that site before. It seems like the whole P4P thing is kind of frowned on here and the whole pickup massage thing I think the OP was more going for picking up a chick at a legit spa vs going to an AMP where this type of stuff is par for the course. One tip though, many places that are on these lists are not jerkoff shacks.

There's plenty of women who specifically advertise on backpages "bodyrubs" as opposed to "massage" section basically trying to get in clientelle looking for a happy ending and not offering one. I actually went to a place and at the end she was like thats it get dressed. I had a little rapport with her so I was like really, she seemed surprised I was like oh you advertised in body rubs I thought there may be something more. She was like oh I just do that to bring in clients. She was like you want me to finish you off, I was like well yeah I guess, she was like oh why didn't you ask lol. Normally its not something you come out and ask for but truth be told many of these asian places or even non asian places that advrtise on backpages or show hot young chicks are not offering anything they do it to bring in clients. Think about it a place that really is offering stuff will wanna try to fly under the radar. Again though I think this thread was about gaming legit massage chicks, not getting happy ending massages

[HungWeiLo]

P4P may be frowned upon but many members still make a practice of shoring pros in SEA. Look at it as a new venue to shore domestically but with masseuses

[blacknwhitespade]

(10-09-2014 01:48 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 01:20 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

http://www.rubmaps.com/

Legit

Yeah I've seen that site before. It seems like the whole P4P thing is kind of frowned on here and the whole pickup massage thing I think the OP was more going for picking up a chick at a legit spa vs going to an AMP where this type of stuff is par for the course. One tip though, many places that are on these lists are not jerkoff shacks.

There's plenty of women who specifically advertise on backpages "bodyrubs" as opposed to "massage" section basically trying to get in clientelle looking for a happy ending and not offering one. I actually went to a place and at the end she was like thats it get dressed. I had a little rapport with her so I was like really, she seemed surprised I was like oh you advertised in body rubs I thought there may be something more. She was like oh I just do that to bring in clients. She was like you want me to finish you off, I was like well yeah I guess, she was like oh why didn't you ask lol. Normally its not something you come out and ask for but truth be told many of these asian places or even non asian places that advrtise on backpages or show hot young chicks are not offering anything they do it to bring in clients. Think about it a place that really is offering stuff will wanna try to fly under the radar. Again though I think this thread was about gaming legit massage chicks, not getting happy ending massages

That's all true, I'm not trying to hi-jack this thread into a happy ending/p4p topic nor get anyone in trouble. I posted the link because common sense tells me that these slightly-shady places known for happy endings are more likely to have girls that are seduceable as well. Just make sure they're legal age. Also, the OP mentioned kino-ing these girls, I'd be sure to establish solid verbal rapport and consensual touching before touching them in more private areas. Have any sexual harrassment lawsuits come out of massage parlor incidents? Just taking proper precautions here.

[Sourcecode]

I'm extremely sceptical of this post..even though nomad has rep around here.
This post reads way to good to be true and there are so many details that people that haven't been to parlors wouldn't know.
Massages are private..but I've never been to a place that had a solid building..either they have paper thin walls or use curtain dividers with candles and what not got ambience.music never loud enough drown out noise of sex..hell even the slippery sound of a oily hand job might be heard behind a couple curtains.
I've also dated a licensed massage therapist and those licenses aren't easiest to get and even in legit foreign countries they get in trouble for getting intimate with clients.

A place that was shady to begin with might give a hand job..but a legit place won't have girls like this.
As said by others..massage tables and such abd the strongest tools to try to bang on.
At some point..therapist look at their work as work..after rubbing was bunch people day after day.they barely see as a sexual act.
And if it's shady from the start...to me, it's like paying for it, but justifying it by a different name.
If you are paying for a massage and tipping after sex..Did you not just pay for sex.

[Nomad77]

@sourcecode, jamaicabound I have no idea what kind of places you guys go to but I am talking about real spas. This is the actually room I was in the last time and this was a low end joint compared to the other places I have gone to. Take a good look, do you see any partitions here? And that table did not make a sound.

But more importantly, you would know if you have read my posts that I don't go about boosting about notches and bangs. And I didn't either in this post. I barely mentioned them. But as always everyone is free to believe whatever they want. Your beliefs will shape your reality. So choose them carefully.

How many people know that drugs are illegal, yet use them all the time? How many women know they will get fired for fucking in the workplace yet do it all time? Once you lock that door, no one can know what happens in that room except the two of you. And I never said, these girls were scream and moaning, they actually never made a sound above rough breathing.

[Nomad77]

Well, this latest girl I picked up don't want to go out with me. This usually means she has a boyfriend or something. So while she has clearly established she doesn't mind messing around inside the massage room she won't go out with me. This has happened a number of times actually. One of the best girls I ever had was married. I never saw her outside of the spa but inside of that room, she made it my personal heaven.

[the high]

(10-09-2014 01:20 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

http://www.rubmaps.com/

Legit

EDIT: Nevermind. This was already talked about.

[Nomad77]

I was wrong. The massage girl invited me to meet her at a club tonight. She was even massaging my head and hair in the club in between sets of very sexual and dirty dancing. I told her could take a break she was off of work. Interestingly, she seems anxious for me to go back for a massage. I think she liked what went down in there. She is going to really get it the next time I go.

[reco2100]

(10-08-2014 10:45 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Here is what I can tell you. IF you think something is "creepy" then it will be. The power of inner game is changing your internal beliefs about what is ok and not ok, and what is possible or not possible. A vibe is not a gift your receive it's a fire you build together. It is a reactive process, a feedback loop. The most you can ever hope for is that the girl is willing to build the vibe with you BUT you have to start it and you have to grow it. As long as she is contributing in some small way that's as much as you will ever get 99% of the time. I start creating this vibe the moment I take off my clothes and lie down on that table. I start creating it within me. I know she will feel it once she starts to touch me.

The first person you need to game is not the girl, it's yourself.

PS And in the interest of full disclosure I can say this: I have a pretty decent body - like a swimmer. Very few girls would complain about having to give me a massage.

Nomad I am fascinated by this thread. I have never really had a professional massage before of any kind. Only massages I have had is from my girls privately. But I am very interested in trying this.

I also like what you had to say about gaming yourself and frame that is so important. Couple of questions.

So you just get on the table naked the first time without the towel or do you just ease into this? I am almost certain I would pop some wood. lol What do you mean you would make sure they know about it?

How do you pick the massage spas? Do you just go to the high end ones? Or is there other criteria?

How do you pick the girls? Or is this just luck of the draw and then when you see one that you like you start working on gaming them?

How often do you go? I mean if there is one you like are you talking about every couple of weeks or once a week or what?

Also lets hear some more massage stories and the airline pickup method what is that? I want to understand the possibilities.

[Nomad77]

I think I should clarify something here: this is no different than trying to pick up a girl in any other place. The girl still has to find you attractive on some level. First, I don't go to massage places to pick up girls. If I happen to run into a girl I find attractive I open her just like a girl anywhere else. I try to get a feel if she's attracted to me on some minimal level. ONLY if I think she is attracted to me on some level do I proceed with the rest of it. So you have to pre-screen the girl. This is what the first massage session is about getting solid conformation about her attraction level.

[Kaizen]

As someone who regularly frequents massage therapists working in various settings (massage schools, hotels, spas), I don't see the advice here having any real world application.

For starters, massage therapists are no hotter than the general public. Why should they be? They aren't bartenders or strippers. We are of course talking about legit places which the OP is referring to. Also, your average massage STARTS at maybe $60 an hour.

So, I don't think anyone should start paying $60+ an hour for the mere chance (what 1/20?!?) that your therapist is hot so that you can then make what amounts to a kamikaze manoeuvre that she will fuck you.

Massage therapists are considered health professionals in most states. They will be as keen to fuck as you as your dentist or doctor would be. Even if she were attracted to you, She would have to be retarded to act on that impulse. Getting busted would cause her to lose her job instantly and she might never work again in her state or anywhere.

Massage Places go OUT OF THEIR WAY to make sure people don't get the wrong idea and confuse the joint with some chinatown rub and tug. 100x out of a 100 I will be told 'get under the sheets' and I will be back in a few minutes. ...Instead lying there naked lol?!; sorry you will be told to get under the sheets and your therapist will rightly think you a weirdo to start

Initiate Kino?!? Right...that's when the therapist asks you What the fuck you're doing, opens the light and calls security.

In summary, this might be something a player pulls off once in his career. But to try and do this regularly? Seems nothing short of insane.

But the OP is operating on an advanced level as he has also banged girls sitting next to him on planes. I don't think his advice applies to non super advanced players; If I'm wrong on this one, please initiate some kino on your massage therapist and let me know how it works out for you.

[Nomad77]

(11-12-2014 10:40 PM)Kaizen Wrote:  

But the OP is operating on an advanced level as he has also banged girls sitting next to him on planes. I don't think his advice applies to non super advanced players; If I'm wrong on this one, please initiate some kino on your massage therapist and let me know how it works out for you.

I don't consider myself advance at all, maybe a bit experienced. Again, I am not advocating that anyone go to a massage place to pick up girls. And I am not advocating you try to be sexual with a massage girl UNLESS you feel she would be receptive to this. All I am saying is that getting one is no different than picking up a girl in a club or anywhere else and for me it's actually easier IF the girl is into me to begin with. I don't think anything I am saying here requires any kind of advance skills BUT maybe what I consider to be basic is not so basic after all. What I will admit is that I am good at reading women.

I do realize that some of my stories sound incredulous and I only realize this after I tell them to people and see their reactions. There are many stories from other guys on here that I read about that I also think is amazing and can't imagine doing those things myself. In the end, our reality and what we believe is possible is shaped by our experiences. Let me give you a recent example of this:

The other day a latin woman picked me up in my yoga class at my gym and we ended up messing around in the whirlpool and steam room after the class. This was a first for me. If you had asked me two weeks ago if this was possible I would say hmmm, I don't think so. Which girl would do this in such a public place. But guess what, at 11pm in the night the gym is pretty empty and you can't see a damn thing from outside of the steam room. Now, this woman invites me to the gym to do exactly this. This single incident has changed my reality and my beliefs about what is possible in a big, public gym. Some women get off on the thrill of being caught. I had a girlfriend that was really into this, so much so, I had to refuse her on a number of occasions because I just didn't have the balls to do what she wanted and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

Now, there is a guy I have helped locally that once told me he banged seven girls in seven days! just to see if he could do it. All from online dating. I was amazed by this. Here is a guy that I helped that thinks I am "advanced" or whatever and yet I couldn't get a date online, if my life depended on it, much less bang seven girls in seven days! It's all a matter of perspective. We take for granted whatever we have accomplished in life and it becomes something not so special anymore.

[klosck]

(11-12-2014 10:40 PM)Kaizen Wrote:  

As someone who regularly frequents massage therapists working in various settings (massage schools, hotels, spas), I don't see the advice here having any real world application.

For starters, massage therapists are no hotter than the general public. Why should they be? They aren't bartenders or strippers. We are of course talking about legit places which the OP is referring to. Also, your average massage STARTS at maybe $60 an hour.

So, I don't think anyone should start paying $60+ an hour for the mere chance (what 1/20?!?) that your therapist is hot so that you can then make what amounts to a kamikaze manoeuvre that she will fuck you.

Massage therapists are considered health professionals in most states. They will be as keen to fuck as you as your dentist or doctor would be. Even if she were attracted to you, She would have to be retarded to act on that impulse. Getting busted would cause her to lose her job instantly and she might never work again in her state or anywhere.

Massage Places go OUT OF THEIR WAY to make sure people don't get the wrong idea and confuse the joint with some chinatown rub and tug. 100x out of a 100 I will be told 'get under the sheets' and I will be back in a few minutes. ...Instead lying there naked lol?!; sorry you will be told to get under the sheets and your therapist will rightly think you a weirdo to start

Initiate Kino?!? Right...that's when the therapist asks you What the fuck you're doing, opens the light and calls security.

In summary, this might be something a player pulls off once in his career. But to try and do this regularly? Seems nothing short of insane.

But the OP is operating on an advanced level as he has also banged girls sitting next to him on planes. I don't think his advice applies to non super advanced players; If I'm wrong on this one, please initiate some kino on your massage therapist and let me know how it works out for you.

I think this is more intended for people who regularly get massages anyway. If she is cute and you get to fuck her then its a bonus. The advantage of massage girls (along with dentists, hairdressers etc) is that you are isolated with them in a somewhat intimate setting..which is great to build rapport. But dedicating a large amount of time and effort to this type of game is probably not a good thing.

[rudebwoy]

Think OP was referring to rub n tug massage places....

[AneroidOcean]

(11-13-2014 01:17 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

We take for granted whatever we have accomplished in life and it becomes something not so special anymore.

Very good quote. This is the version I use from time to time:

"The more I experience in life, the more I believe in the old adage, 'The truth is stranger than fiction' as I have been shown it many, many times to be true."

Once you become truly red pill and if you learn to network and change/challenge yourself you will realize that there are so many things you once thought impossible or very unlikely that are totally attainable.

One other thing I'll toss in here from my own experience as an amateur male masseuse (meaning I've been paid to do it but it's not my profession). I'm sure I could've fucked many if not all of my female clients, despite them having plenty of attention from men. With a 1 on 1 massage, there is always some level of intimacy. If there's any possible attraction there it IS exploitable.

You definitely need to know how to read women very well and I'd definitely put this in an advanced category, but I don't disbelieve any word of it. I'd love to try it some day, but currently I just massage trade with friends as I don't have the budget to go get massages just for maintenance. Just call my friends when I need to be fixed.