[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Stop. Feeding. These. Hoes.
^^^
Catchy

Might slap this on my license plate

Thanks Tuth

[RXB]

$7 appetizers?

Are you buying your dates cheese curds at a bowling alley?

Every girl who, from my experience, wanted appetizers was expecting some fairly pricey dish. $10 to $20 for bar food is a lot when you're also paying for drinks (and possibly cab fare).

Secondly, money isn't the issue. Principle is. I offered to pay for drinks and entertain you, that alone is generous enough.

Lastly, girls who end up ordering food usually are more reluctant to put out. I've gone on about 20 dates with different women in the past 60 days. The ones who insisted on appetizers or food almost always took longer to get with. They want to see how much free stuff they can get out of you first.

[kaotic]

Idk man it's rather insulting to call the guys who are against apps broke, low income, 30K millionaires.

Like I said before I've only ran into this two times in the last year, girls usually know what's up if you're meeting for drinks and isn't thinking about eating.

Like others said, this is about the principal, not the cash.

It DOESN'T mean you can't buy an appetizer (if you're hungry or want her to try something).

If one is so worried about having to pay for apps or lose frame, control your logistics and frame better.

Logistics: Go to bars that don't have a kitchen, or venues with no local food places.

Frame: Pre-empt any attempt for appetizers, mention having a beer/drink is the perfect way to wash down what you ate earlier. Say how it's weird people do dinner on first dates. The list goes on.

[heavy]

2nd meet up with a girl yesterday, she ordered an app. She knew what she was doing and paid for the app separately. It would pissed me off if she didn't pay for it.

She ate it sparingly, as she was saving herself a protein shake later at my place.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

For drink dates - it's used a 'filtering process' nothing more nothing less. Before the meet up I've primed her with that although I can be spontaneous (a word I like to use with a sexual connotation), I lead a pretty structured lifestyle (eating habits, schedule, business) If it's an after dinner time meet up, it's implied she would have eaten anyway.

Liquor is a truth serum

Problem is - the longer we stay at this place the stronger the likelihood that any "heat" subsides, distractions happen or she gets that phone call that grandma broke her hip falling down a flight of stairs etc

Couple things:

1) In my experience, if she is going through the trouble of purposely ordering an appetizer on such a date, then she plans on being there awhile
2) If you are on a mission, you don't want her to consume anything that will soak up that 'act right' juice

[MrXY]

Oh, good lord, you "anti food" ideologues are really overstating the case here, with all this "muh frame!" and high minded "principal of the thing" talk.

The idea that a girl isn't going to respect you or bang you quickly because you bought her a little food is just ludicrous and doesn't fit with my experience at all.

If a fucking $10 sushi roll obliterates your game, you need to step up your game.

[kaotic]

(10-06-2014 01:13 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

Oh, good lord, you "anti food" ideologues are really overstating the case here, with all this "muh frame!" and high minded "principal of the thing" talk.

The idea that a girl isn't going to respect you or bang you quickly because you bought her a little food is just ludicrous and doesn't fit with my experience at all.

If a fucking $10 sushi roll obliterates your game, you need to step up your game.

It's pretty crazy how fast the two sides of this debate have become very polarized.

[MrXY]

We're having a spirited intellectual discussion

No hard feelings, bro

[kaotic]

(10-06-2014 01:46 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

We're having a spirited intellectual discussion

No hard feelings, bro

Absolutely agree haha, I love how Tuth already put Team No Appetizers on his signature

[Sonsowey]

Don't Tell Em (remix) feat. Tuthmosis

Dont tell em dont tell em
You aint eatin dont tell em
Just drinking just freakin
You aint eatin dont tell em

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Goes without saying that every cat here has gotten laid under BOTH circumstances

Right?

[L M McCoy]

(10-06-2014 02:53 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  

Goes without saying that every cat here has gotten laid under BOTH circumstances

Right?

Of course the lizards get dicked down every time or maybe I'm not understanding?

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-06-2014 10:40 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

What if the date lasts 4 hours? Nobody will get hungry?

Has America devolved into a place where not eating after your evening meal is considered unusual?

Appetizers are grazing behaviour. Two observations of female eating: chicks indulge to excess when they're emotionally-upset but graze when they're trying to distract themselves from their boredom. Do you want to risk that subconscious association when you're trying to build intimacy?

On a date, she's subconsciously using a plate of food as both a protective barrier and a distraction from you to not give you her full attention.

Female emotions are always inflamed by frustrating her desires. It's easy enough to turn a frustrated desire for food into a ready desire for sex.

I think the schism here might be between guys who are trying to get a bang and guys who are trying to get a plate.

[Bullitt]

If I'm meeting a girl for the first time (i.e. a girl from online), I almost always pay cash and subtly set the tone that we're buying our own drinks. Interestingly, it's these dates that usually lead to same-night hookups. I don't mind buying drinks every now and then, but I typically only do it if the girl is giving off a cool vibe. In fact, when I do offer to buy drinks, more often than not the girl insists on getting the next round, which is always a good sign. As for the appetizers, most chicks I meet up with don't go for them, although I also tend to select hipster dive bars for first dates which tend not to have food.

[Giovonny]

I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if I am off base..

I just want to say that food is a big part of my game. I like to sexualize the process of cooking and eating. It can be a very sensual experience if it's done with class and with "game" in mind.

I often "bait" college girls with food. Dorm food sucks!

I talk to them about their favorite foods and than I make sure to we do a date that includes her favorite foods.

We cook together. We eat together. We drink together. We smoke weed and get the munchies together.

I ask them what their favorite dessert is, then, I invite them to my apartment to share that dessert.

The acts of preparing food together and eating together is a good bonding experience. I have gotten a lot of pussy with this type of "food game". Food is sexy, in my opinion, I love to cook and eat.

That said, just like anything that we do, "food game" can be done from a place of power and superiority OR from a place of neediness and supplication. It all depends each guy and his "frame".

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The idea that you will lose all of your power by buying a girl "appetizers" seems ridiculous to me. If you can lose all of your power over 10 dollars then your power was not very strong to begin with.

If you lose out on a bang because you bought a girl a snack then you have bigger game issues that need to be addressed.

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If you can't afford a 10 dollar appetizer then your problems are financial and you should be addressing those.

Trying to save 10 dollars in the process of getting laid seems like a "poverty mindset" to me.

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Here are some examples of college girls I banged because of food..

18 year old "Daniela" -- Bean and cheese quesadillas

19 year old "Jennifer" -- Chicken soup

19 year old "Kristen" -- Burrito

18 year old "Kayley" -- Cheeseburger

[Quintus Curtius]

@Giovonny:

I agree with you about food being part of seduction. Absolutely. No one is saying that it is not.

For example, my standard "second date" routine is go invite her over to my place so I can cook something.

But what we are losing sight of here is that the "no appetizer" advice was meant to be narrowly tailored to a very specific situation. It is not meant to be universal mandate to cover all situations in Heaven and Earth.

The OP (The Wire) in his original post was presenting a very specific question to a very specific situation. The "No Appetizer" mindset is a guideline for the following conditions:

1. First date
2. American chick

That's all we're saying.

Foreign women? Do what you want.

Steady lizard you like and has proven her worth? Do what you want.

Chick you've already pronged? Do what you want.

This "No Appetizer" rule is narrowly tailored for a specific situation. That's it.

It's meant to be a guideline for situations (all too common) when some spoiled Americhick tries to probe you and shit-test you. That's it. All rules have exceptions. But my own experience has taught me to be very attuned to subtle attempts by American girls to test your willpower.

And if you read The Wire's original post, it worked for him. Saying no worked. She tried to insert a buffer between them, and he deflected it. My answer would be the same whether that buffer was a cell phone, a plate of fried shit, or a tangle of calamari in Sriracha sauce.

A lot of this stuff, as you know well, comes down to the "feel" of the situation.



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[AnonymousBosch]

(10-06-2014 03:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

The acts of preparing food together and eating together is a good bonding experience. I have gotten a lot of pussy with this type of "food game". Food is sexy, in my opinion, I love to cook and eat.

exu

Yeah, that's a different game entirely Gio - and an extremely-powerful one, because food prep can become a very intimate and sexual dance. The thread was more about frame control during the initial meeting.

[aphelion]

[The Wire]

(10-06-2014 10:23 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

How old are these girls who've done this to you guys? I only date 18-23 y.o's, maybe it's the older broads demanding guys pony up for food trying to fish for a provider? That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

Good question. My case i've had the majority of woman in there late 20's pull this stunt. But depends...i've been out with women in there late 30's who were there for drinks and to hook up after.

Quote:

If shes asking you for food on the first date out for drinks then she is not turned on

I agree to a little point even though I've demonstrated in the original post when I shot a girl down on her request to share food she invited back to her place an hour later. I've made out with girls after 'appetizer' dates as well in cars/parking lot.

[Cattle Rustler]

Thinking "foreign bitches are different than American bitches" is just:


They're all sluts, no need to put foreigners on a pedestal.

I just set up a date, enjoy myself, bitches come second. Texas heat + Patio + drinks = good time.

OP is going defensive. First he said "I'm kind of curious if other guys run into the food issue or am I playing this out wrong? Is this an American thing where women need to shovel food into their mouths past a normal dinnertime?". Then it progressed about "keeping frame" and broads ordering food instead of him.

I've fucked with food and without food, food came into the game without thinking about it. We wanted chips, so we got chips.

An appetizer is a snack, something light. Chips and salsa is different than ordering an a fajita meal, an actual meal that can be considered "food". Don't think about "the notch" or your "CPN" the whole time, think about having a good time. The chips were free.


Either way, I'm on my way to cash in on my $40 bang and getting my Accenture flag.

Edit: Stop giving these ho something to drink. Don't give them something to sit on either. We're going full minimalism on here.

[Player_1337]

Chick tried to pull this shit on me about a month ago (au pair from Mexico in her early 20's). It was clearly a "drink date" and we planned to meet up after 9 pm. She claimed to have not eaten dinner.

Thankfully, the kitchen at the establishment was closed. I just made fun of her about it all night and held frame (I teased with stuff like, "Who eats dinner this late? Oh, the kitchen is closed? They must hate you here."). The teasing became an ongoing gag- she would giggle and touch me. One of the servers she playfully harassed about the kitchen being closed brought out some complimentary chips ('pity chips' as I'd like to refer to them) at the end of the evening. Enjoy your damn dinner.

[anonymous123]

Giovonny broke it down perfectly. Nothing really more to be said from the standpoint of Team Ten Dollar.

@QC: Gio was actually dead on point. Regardless of the position of the OP, this thread now has a Team No Appetizers which basically boils down to this position: Stop. Feeding. These. Hoes. You not only hurt yourself. You hurt all of us. With every girl getting free meals (because, let's face it, an appetizer or two is a meal for the type of chicks we're going out with), we raise the cover charge of a basic (pre-bang) first date.

I really don't think Team No Appetizer represents the extreme narrow position you say that it does in response to Gio's post. It seems to have now boiled over into a theme that anyone caught buying an egg roll is basically a white knight because you are "raising the cover charge of a basic (pre-bang) first date."

On the other hand, Team Ten Dollar is summarized perfectly by Gio, and I think boils down to this: "The idea that you will lose all of your power by buying a girl "appetizers" seems ridiculous to me. If you can lose all of your power over 10 dollars then your power was not very strong to begin with."

[Quintus Curtius]

We all sound like a conference of medieval theologians arguing over the nature of the Trinity, or whether the filioque clause should be in the Nicaean Creed. Time for a glass of beer.

This is a classic, classic thread...no doubt about it.

I love this place.

[anonymous123]

Well put QC. There is definitely an open door policy at Team Ten Dollar. In fact, not only can you have a beer but you can even get a snack. (And our frame stays intact!)

[Quintus Curtius]

Lol.

Oh, but wait!

If I go out alone and buy myself a beer, and order an appetizer, is that alpha? Am I spoiling myself?

Just kidding....