[pitt]

Really hot girls (9.5s) are something rare and most of guys are scared to approach them. Even here in DR where guys have the balls to approach women, soon as they see she looks really classy and is really hot, they become intimidated. They assume that she wants a guy who is ''rich''.

Funny enough I saw one really hot girl two days ago here in DR, one that could easily become the new bad bitch for the urban black community in the US. Pretty face, really nice ass, super dressed and one of these girls that intimidates the average guy (I confess that I thought twice before I approached). I thought fuck it, let me go approach. I approached her in English (she couldn't speak none of it) then I switched it to Spanish. I could tell that she was impressed with my attitude, when I noticed I didn't have my phone on me, I just didn't feel like putting too much pressure on getting her contact, specially when she told me she was married. But I am sure that if the circumstances were better, I could fuck her. I just can smell when I am going to fuck a girl.

It's too bad that really hot girls are not common but I love to approach them because they give me the confidence to approach all type of women.A guy that approaches 9.5's and they receive him well, even though he may not get the bang, he won't be scared to approach 8's and 7's, let alone a 5 when we are desperate.

[LemonDrink]

(09-09-2014 12:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Also a lot of the girls become escorts on the side - especially when it becomes clear that they have not managed to break through big or managed to get a wealthy man to stick in a LTR or marriage.

While men have to spend years studying and years gaining experience to earn decent money, attractive women can get it with little effort.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-09-2014 01:21 PM)LemonDrink Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 12:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Also a lot of the girls become escorts on the side - especially when it becomes clear that they have not managed to break through big or managed to get a wealthy man to stick in a LTR or marriage.

While men have to spend years studying and years gaining experience to earn decent money, attractive women can get it with little effort.

Being an escort is no easy job - it takes a tremendous toll on the psyche.

And yes - women can potentially capitalize just their looks, but many fail to do so due to unrealistic expectations like "I want the perfect millionaire Alpha who is "age-appropriate" and good-looking." And it is certainly not as easy as it sounds even for a beautiful woman, as many guys born rich are having plenty of those girls in their teens. I sometimes see 18 year old guys spending 5-10k in one evening in clubs in Switzerland.

There are even special clubs and VIP sections for those young guys with inherited wealth. Plenty of models get fucked by those guys never getting a boyfriend or any money for it. Very attractive women have the same dilemmas and are having the same slut-it-up indoctrination that the others are getting. In my opinion the model biz is quite a dirty one and it takes tremendous discipline and luck to stay clear off drugs & the cock-carousel.

But yeah - if a woman is smart enough, she could quite easily get a young millionaire Beta or a significantly older guy, who would make her a mistress, a LTR or a wife. Still I think that most fail to do so and are ex-sluts & Alpha Widows or/and Escorts later on.

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

Beautiful women are not "easier" per se, but game is more effective on them.

This means that if you bring value, game on a 9 will probably work slightly better than on women of lesser calibre for some of the reasons described above. Nonetheless, if it takes 20 approaches on 7s to get a 7, the same is applicable to 9s (numbers game rule applies to all girls, not just 7s). But, it is harder to get in 20 approaches on 9s because there are less of them.

So it is both easier and harder depending on how you define these.
1. If you are a man with game in a place with an unlimited supply of beauty, you will be better off focusing solely on the upper tier.
2. If you are a man with game in a place of limited beauty, expand your horizons and approach all tiers of women (otherwise you will go through long dry spells).
3. If you are a man with no game focus solely on the lower tier.

[WalterBlack]

(09-09-2014 12:14 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Beautiful models are not impossible to Game on the street. If they are young you may be able to get them. A lot is timing. When they barely start the career - then is the best time. The problem is many start their careers aged 15-17, which means that this is legal only in some countries around the world.

And never believe that those girls do not fuck occasionally men who are sub-par. I once met a guy who was the caretaker in a building that belonged to a large model agency. The house had apartments where only those usually young girls stayed while they did their shoots in Milan. He said that he had fucked dozens and dozens of the girls - he was short, had a belly, was over 40, but had some dominant Game. He said that he is just at the right place and at the right time - when the girl feels lonely, got rejected at 10 castings today - she will fuck him. Some father figure for them.

I can believe it. I remember seeing a documentary about the fashion industry on the BBC about 10 years ago. They interviewed 2 fat guys in Milan who were caretakers of a complex that young, new to the industry models were housed in. They said that the models are kept on a tight leash and not allowed to go out to certain places, not allowed to meet men, or bring anybody back. The models get bored and they get horny and want to bang the nearest available dick, which belongs to the caretakers.

The guy you met may have been one of them!

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

The hot girl paradox is often misunderstood, I will try to sum it up here:

It is one of the most complex paradoxes in the whole of game theory, so unfortunately it cannot be summed up in less lines.

1.1 Very attractive women, 9s (9.5s if you are coming from the American system - catwalk model quality) and up, get approached significantly less than 6s, 7s and 8s. This is pretty much applicable everywhere in the world, men have greater self-esteem issues than women and almost all have strong limiting beliefs. Most men never even come into contact with such women, and therefore their image of them is based on what they see on television. They imagine a life of glamour when she is often a broke girl living in a shitty apartment. As such, if 99.99% of men have strong limiting beliefs, 99.99% of men don't approach these girls.

1.2 They meet men through their social circle that mostly fit three categories: wealthy old betas looking to buy her, gays and approval-seeking asslickers. The gays are usually the men they are interested in, as they have game, but obviously access is closed off. The approval seekers are approval seekers for a reason, if you are a man with limiting beliefs (essentially every single man on the planet except the unicorns), you will interact with this girl if there is a green light of some kind (an introduction, etc.). When you do, you resort to approval-seeking, which is the strong natural instinct in these cases. Then you have the old betas trying to buy her. Sometimes she will go down this route, which I don't blame her for. If I had some ugly girl throwing money at me, I would take it aswell. In K-selected societies like Russia there is often a pendulum between their Disney training and her easy access to money, with many juggling love and money in two different men at once. In R-selected societies it can go both ways, a girl using men for money and having one-night-stands with the men she finds attractive. There is often a juggle between both, but glamour gets old quickly. Champagne and men of advanced age get old quickly, due to the lottery principle (you win the lottery and gain a lot of happiness, after a while your new fortune becomes normal and your happiness is returned to stability). Sometimes in the FSU they grow tired of it and just go back to this when they must, due to basic necessity (eg. you say many 9s on the Metro in Moscow, a city where there are tons of billionaires who would happily drive these girls around in Bentleys). In their emotions and logic (the latter only in the case of K-girls), they are always seeking for the ultimate emotional prize, which to a woman is pairbonding (see point 2.1).

2. There is a dearth of value. I see some men talking about models and high status men, in which case they have missed a key component of value, which is game. Do not underestimate the power of game. Looks or status in a man correlate only to one thing: attraction, which in women is very fleeting a superficial feeling (and often times the power of game is even more influential on attraction). Game has another very key component, which is connection. It comes down to this principle: The amount of men in the world who have such abundance they 1.truly in their hearts don't care if they lose her or not, 2.truly in their hearts see her as a lower value they are entitled to and 3. truly in their hearts are not scared of treating her like shit (or like a normal human being, unlike the treatment she receives from everyone else), are virtually none. Not even the best players. This is why these girls almost always fall in love with gay men, talk to any model and she will tell you about this. The men who have this kind of belief system are those who have a different set of priorities, they don't see looks as the ultimate expression of female value, but truly in their hearts believe that female value is somewhere else, which means they can see a pretty girl for who and what she is, which is the ultimate depedestalization. When this happens, they adopt the three traits mentioned above, very attractive women become discardable and interchangeable, which is the fundamental missing mindset in 99.99% of men.

2.1 9s get attracted to men frequently. They rarely, if even once in their life, get the chance to fall in love with a man who is in love back. This is the ultimate female desire, a woman is not made for fucking around or for golddigging wealthy old guys, she is made for pairbonding. They crave this more than anything in the world, and it is the state in which they are at the most ecstatic and happy. I must make a distinction here between R-selected societies and K-selected societies. In R-selected societies, the forebrain mentality will be messed up, but she is a woman nonetheless, her emotions are the same as every other girl, and her thoughts change along with her emotions. Nonetheless, I must state that she is riding the cock carousel just like her uglier counterparts, so the rules will be slightly balanced to ponder this (but the same rules are applicable if she does pairbond, these girls fall in love more easily than most for reasons I describe below - this would put her in the aprox. 25% of R-bangs that turn into relationships through female bonding). In K-selected societies, women want this in their forebrain, they believe that they want it, and when they see a rare suitable candidate, a unicorn, they get unordinarily excited. I'm sure many of you have some stories from the FSU where girls you thought were way above you were actually really excited that you were in their life. The overall message of point 2.1 is that the pool of suitable candidates (factoring in both attraction and connection - by this I mean alpha males with both soft and hard dominance, in a rare league of their own) for a 9 is near-zero, whereas a 7 has access to a greater number of suitable candidates. As I have mentioned before, the true value in these cases is an emotionally-defined one, the only one that counted for anything in the tribal days. This emotionally-defined value is present only in men who know how to treat women in the way they are wired to be treated. Unfortunately, society spoke men into believing this is out of their reach (and in the same way the person reading this post believes it, so does the next guy and every single guy on the planet except a few elite players).

2.2 Consider also that she is very tall. What is the chance that she will meet a man who is not only this rare unicorn (of which she is lucky if she meets 1 or 2 in her entire lifetime), but who is also taller than her? Virtually zero. If you dig into their love life, you will see a clear dysfunction. A 6 or 7 will have access to the type of value that she doesn't. This happens due to another principle: A man who has game towards a 7 is almost always a whipped approval-seeking beta towards a 9. This means that a 6 or 7 has access to the unicorns, while those very unicorns are not available to the 9. Think of an intermediate player, he doesn't give a shit about that 7 and treats her accordingly, with the 9 his inner game is fucked up and he doesn't behave the same. This principle is applicable on such a macro-scale that it applies to almost all men.

2.3. There is often a shift in her paradigm where values change. She has access to model men and high-status men, which means that in her younger days she will have almost certainly dated them. There is no novelty and socially attributed male traits will lose the importance that they would have for a girl who hasn't tasted them. Clearly observable in the field is that these women often end up with men who are somewhat weird-looking or a have quirks of some kind, there is a shift in her value-paradigm where certain basic emotional traits take precedence over other socially attributed ones. As is described above, high-value women have access to socially attributed value (in men), medium-value women (7s..) have access to naturally attributed value. Each wants what the other one has, the 9 wants the naturally attributed value she lacks, the 7 wants the socially attributed value she lacks. This is a very important maxim and one of the most important of the theory.

2.4. The unicorns, by definition have an abundance mentality that is extended to women of her league. Therefore it is not a guarantee for her that she will get him if she finds him.

3. Throughout life, men treat her more nicely and she gets a better overall impression of them. She doesn't hate men (you will find that many 6s and 7s hold great contempt for men), and this can be seen in the way she interacts with them. This lack of bitterness often translates to a sweeter personality. Often times, especially in the FSU, you will find that some of the hottest girls are also some of the sweetest.

4. These girls know their value, this is also undeniable. They get a lot of looks from men and therefore they know their value, but there are a few things I must say with regards to this:

4.1 It is not correct to say they have higher standards than a 7. A 7 gets enough attention from men to have an ego just as bloated, and standards just as unrealistic. A 7 also gets a higher number of approaches and compliments, which are more powerful in inflating the ego than looks are. A 7, the so-called "attainable" woman, is the most in-demand on the market, so she has a very real economic value that is actually higher than the 9's, and her ego is in accordance to this. The 9 has high standards because she knows her value, so in this respect she cannot be compared to a 5, but these standards are no higher than your average 7's. Believe it or not, many 7s also have the chance to follow the life of glamour many men attribute to 9s, it is often the 7s and 8s that get most showered with gifts from wealthy betas (even these guys are often intimidated by 9s). Essentially, any girl over a 7.5-8 has the capacity to gain considerable amounts from wealthy men.

4.2 Their standards are as high as they should be, rather, they are emotional standards. She is wired to get the highest-quality man (following cavern-day standards) she can get. This principle must be brought together with the dearth of value discussed in point 2.

4.3 Sometimes they get so many looks from men that they develop a "look-bitch-shield" if you will, they try to not make eye contact with anyone so as to get through the day. This is also applicable to many 6s an 7s in countries where they receive heavy attention, like Spain or Italy. However, this does not translate to an approach-bitch-shield, as the actual approaches she receives are less. Naturally they exist, but it is not a matter of her not getting approaches (although I must emphasize she rarely gets approaches), but that the men she comes into contact with, through whatever means, are not of sufficient value, a.k.a. have no game (remember this base "sufficient value" is equal for a 7 according to the principles described above). Therefore, if you combine this lack of bitch shield with a lack of hatred of men, most very attractive girls will at least give a chance (contrast this to many 7s who will shut you down immediately, this is very rare with 9s). Then it is down to showing that you are the unicorn.

*Disclaimer: Only applicable to young girls in their prime, and therefore the rules are very different from those applicable to the +28 husband-hunting market in the West.

This is basic game theory that you will often find in the manuals. I didn't come up with it, it is the collective experience of hundreds of players throughout history. Hopefully it will clarify some doubts about the theory.

[Moto]

Tips to approach them?

Just put one foot in front of the other and go to them. It can be a straight line or a parabolic curve.

It may not go so well the first time, or dozen times, or even beyond. But you will survive. Also, don't fap to build up that animalistic aggression.

If you need a line, say something like what VicenteVenturi wrote. That there is good stuff. Anything will do, such as, "Hello, my name is _____!"

Or, since you're so surrounded by them, try to catch some eye contact with a playful, slightly mischievous half-smile.

You gotta do something man, it pains me to read the original post!

[LemonDrink]

Play the numbers game. Even if you have to approach 100 to lay 1, it might be worth it. (Some people would say totally inefficient).

[horn]

Virtually no female models date male models as 90% of those guys are gay. Many of the rest are not college-educated or smart, just like the female ones. For a smart model they are a huge turnoff.

Secondly, once a girl has been modeling for a while, she's seen so many good-looking guys that she no longer expects a 'normal' guy to compete on that basis. He just has to be above-average looking, and maybe toll, but not a male model. I've had several models confirm this to me over the years in NYC and elsewhere?

You can certainly pick up a model on the street or at a bar, see my earlier post about doing this. It's not lotto odds, it's scratchoff odds. 2.8-1 against, maybe?

Money? You just need enough to take her out to dinner and drinks. You don't need a yacht. You don't even need a car in NYC. You just need your own apt. That's it. And dress better than average I guess.

And Game, of course.

Some of the posts here are incredibly defeatist.

[horn]

The flip side of my above advice is that I was in Vincent's position many years ago. Like 11-12 years ago, I was infatuated with this one female fashion model, near the very top of the industry. I was invited to a private house party in Manhattan by a friend. The gay man that lived there was friends with many So. American models. I went to the kitchen to drop off the wine I brought.

Standing right in front of me was Dream Girl, and 4 other top models - 2 of whom were even hotter in person than Dream Girl.

My brain shut down, I barely stuttered 'Hello,' and basically fled the other way.

I doubt my chances were good [they all earned wayyy more than me, some had bf obviously] but I made them 0.00%. Get over approach anxiety. I still have regrets about this outbreak of lame-i-tude.

[General Mayhem]

(09-09-2014 04:30 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:  

The hot girl paradox is often misunderstood, I will try to sum it up here:

It is one of the most complex paradoxes in the whole of game theory, so unfortunately it cannot be summed up in less lines.

1.1 Very attractive women, 9s (9.5s if you are coming from the American system - catwalk model quality) and up, get approached significantly less than 6s, 7s and 8s. This is pretty much applicable everywhere in the world, men have greater self-esteem issues than women and almost all have strong limiting beliefs. Most men never even come into contact with such women, and therefore their image of them is based on what they see on television. They imagine a life of glamour when she is often a broke girl living in a shitty apartment. As such, if 99.99% of men have strong limiting beliefs, 99.99% of men don't approach these girls.

1.2 They meet men through their social circle that mostly fit three categories: wealthy old betas looking to buy her, gays and approval-seeking asslickers. The gays are usually the men they are interested in, as they have game, but obviously access is closed off. The approval seekers are approval seekers for a reason, if you are a man with limiting beliefs (essentially every single man on the planet except the unicorns), you will interact with this girl if there is a green light of some kind (an introduction, etc.). When you do, you resort to approval-seeking, which is the strong natural instinct in these cases. Then you have the old betas trying to buy her. Sometimes she will go down this route, which I don't blame her for. If I had some ugly girl throwing money at me, I would take it aswell. In K-selected societies like Russia there is often a pendulum between their Disney training and her easy access to money, with many juggling love and money in two different men at once. In R-selected societies it can go both ways, a girl using men for money and having one-night-stands with the men she finds attractive. There is often a juggle between both, but glamour gets old quickly. Champagne and men of advanced age get old quickly, due to the lottery principle (you win the lottery and gain a lot of happiness, after a while your new fortune becomes normal and your happiness is returned to stability). Sometimes in the FSU they grow tired of it and just go back to this when they must, due to basic necessity (eg. you say many 9s on the Metro in Moscow, a city where there are tons of billionaires who would happily drive these girls around in Bentleys). In their emotions and logic (the latter only in the case of K-girls), they are always seeking for the ultimate emotional prize, which to a woman is pairbonding (see point 2.1).

2. There is a dearth of value. I see some men talking about models and high status men, in which case they have missed a key component of value, which is game. Do not underestimate the power of game. Looks or status in a man correlate only to one thing: attraction, which in women is very fleeting a superficial feeling (and often times the power of game is even more influential on attraction). Game has another very key component, which is connection. It comes down to this principle: The amount of men in the world who have such abundance they 1.truly in their hearts don't care if they lose her or not, 2.truly in their hearts see her as a lower value they are entitled to and 3. truly in their hearts are not scared of treating her like shit (or like a normal human being, unlike the treatment she receives from everyone else), are virtually none. Not even the best players. This is why these girls almost always fall in love with gay men, talk to any model and she will tell you about this. The men who have this kind of belief system are those who have a different set of priorities, they don't see looks as the ultimate expression of female value, but truly in their hearts believe that female value is somewhere else, which means they can see a pretty girl for who and what she is, which is the ultimate depedestalization. When this happens, they adopt the three traits mentioned above, very attractive women become discardable and interchangeable, which is the fundamental missing mindset in 99.99% of men.

2.1 9s get attracted to men frequently. They rarely, if even once in their life, get the chance to fall in love with a man who is in love back. This is the ultimate female desire, a woman is not made for fucking around or for golddigging wealthy old guys, she is made for pairbonding. They crave this more than anything in the world, and it is the state in which they are at the most ecstatic and happy. I must make a distinction here between R-selected societies and K-selected societies. In R-selected societies, the forebrain mentality will be messed up, but she is a woman nonetheless, her emotions are the same as every other girl, and her thoughts change along with her emotions. Nonetheless, I must state that she is riding the cock carousel just like her uglier counterparts, so the rules will be slightly balanced to ponder this (but the same rules are applicable if she does pairbond, these girls fall in love more easily than most for reasons I describe below - this would put her in the aprox. 25% of R-bangs that turn into relationships through female bonding). In K-selected societies, women want this in their forebrain, they believe that they want it, and when they see a rare suitable candidate, a unicorn, they get unordinarily excited. I'm sure many of you have some stories from the FSU where girls you thought were way above you were actually really excited that you were in their life. The overall message of point 2.1 is that the pool of suitable candidates (factoring in both attraction and connection - by this I mean alpha males with both soft and hard dominance, in a rare league of their own) for a 9 is near-zero, whereas a 7 has access to a greater number of suitable candidates. As I have mentioned before, the true value in these cases is an emotionally-defined one, the only one that counted for anything in the tribal days. This emotionally-defined value is present only in men who know how to treat women in the way they are wired to be treated. Unfortunately, society spoke men into believing this is out of their reach (and in the same way the person reading this post believes it, so does the next guy and every single guy on the planet except a few elite players).

2.2 Consider also that she is very tall. What is the chance that she will meet a man who is not only this rare unicorn (of which she is lucky if she meets 1 or 2 in her entire lifetime), but who is also taller than her? Virtually zero. If you dig into their love life, you will see a clear dysfunction. A 6 or 7 will have access to the type of value that she doesn't. This happens due to another principle: A man who has game towards a 7 is almost always a whipped approval-seeking beta towards a 9. This means that a 6 or 7 has access to the unicorns, while those very unicorns are not available to the 9. Think of an intermediate player, he doesn't give a shit about that 7 and treats her accordingly, with the 9 his inner game is fucked up and he doesn't behave the same. This principle is applicable on such a macro-scale that it applies to almost all men.

2.3. There is often a shift in her paradigm where values change. She has access to model men and high-status men, which means that in her younger days she will have almost certainly dated them. There is no novelty and socially attributed male traits will lose the importance that they would have for a girl who hasn't tasted them. Clearly observable in the field is that these women often end up with men who are somewhat weird-looking or a have quirks of some kind, there is a shift in her value-paradigm where certain basic emotional traits take precedence over other socially attributed ones. As is described above, high-value women have access to socially attributed value (in men), medium-value women (7s..) have access to naturally attributed value. Each wants what the other one has, the 9 wants the naturally attributed value she lacks, the 7 wants the socially attributed value she lacks. This is a very important maxim and one of the most important of the theory.

2.4. The unicorns, by definition have an abundance mentality that is extended to women of her league. Therefore it is not a guarantee for her that she will get him if she finds him.

3. Throughout life, men treat her more nicely and she gets a better overall impression of them. She doesn't hate men (you will find that many 6s and 7s hold great contempt for men), and this can be seen in the way she interacts with them. This lack of bitterness often translates to a sweeter personality. Often times, especially in the FSU, you will find that some of the hottest girls are also some of the sweetest.

4. These girls know their value, this is also undeniable. They get a lot of looks from men and therefore they know their value, but there are a few things I must say with regards to this:

4.1 It is not correct to say they have higher standards than a 7. A 7 gets enough attention from men to have an ego just as bloated, and standards just as unrealistic. A 7 also gets a higher number of approaches and compliments, which are more powerful in inflating the ego than looks are. A 7, the so-called "attainable" woman, is the most in-demand on the market, so she has a very real economic value that is actually higher than the 9's, and her ego is in accordance to this. The 9 has high standards because she knows her value, so in this respect she cannot be compared to a 5, but these standards are no higher than your average 7's. Believe it or not, many 7s also have the chance to follow the life of glamour many men attribute to 9s, it is often the 7s and 8s that get most showered with gifts from wealthy betas (even these guys are often intimidated by 9s). Essentially, any girl over a 7.5-8 has the capacity to gain considerable amounts from wealthy men.

4.2 Their standards are as high as they should be, rather, they are emotional standards. She is wired to get the highest-quality man (following cavern-day standards) she can get. This principle must be brought together with the dearth of value discussed in point 2.

4.3 Sometimes they get so many looks from men that they develop a "look-bitch-shield" if you will, they try to not make eye contact with anyone so as to get through the day. This is also applicable to many 6s an 7s in countries where they receive heavy attention, like Spain or Italy. However, this does not translate to an approach-bitch-shield, as the actual approaches she receives are less. Naturally they exist, but it is not a matter of her not getting approaches (although I must emphasize she rarely gets approaches), but that the men she comes into contact with, through whatever means, are not of sufficient value, a.k.a. have no game (remember this base "sufficient value" is equal for a 7 according to the principles described above). Therefore, if you combine this lack of bitch shield with a lack of hatred of men, most very attractive girls will at least give a chance (contrast this to many 7s who will shut you down immediately, this is very rare with 9s). Then it is down to showing that you are the unicorn.

*Disclaimer: Only applicable to young girls in their prime, and therefore the rules are very different from those applicable to the +28 husband-hunting market in the West.

This is basic game theory that you will often find in the manuals. I didn't come up with it, it is the collective experience of hundreds of players throughout history. Hopefully it will clarify some doubts about the theory.

This is some interesting stuff, I've never really read a lot of theory or "manuals," but I just met an NFL cheerleader who is a 9 and a lot of this seems relevant to the situation.

Can you expand on pair-bonding, and emotionally-defined value as it relates to 9s?

[TripleG]

Or you guys could do what Alpha male Nicolas Cage did in the great movie "Lord Of War"...to get the best sometimes requires more than game, it requires one to impress them. So to get his dream girl "Ava Fontaine" Nicolas Cage ends up secretly renting out a hotel in the Caribbean, hiring a private jet and flying a perfect 10 model (after whom he has lusted since he was a young man) there to take a private photoshoot for him:

[Stun]

When I was daygaming a lot I noticed a trend of certain days where a lot of cute but not smokin hot girls would blow me out. I'd chalk it up to be a shit day, and then later on a really hot girl would flip and totally be into me.

I'm not sure if it's that hot girls aren't getting approached, if hot girls are nicer, or if I just learned how to relax and be more natural after a bunch of approaches.

[kmhour]

it seems like you live in or around Milan - I wasn't there during Fashion Week but even on a more normal week I was surprised not only by the quality of the women but also the effort they took to dress well. Just sitting in a cafe having lunch it was impressive seeing the women and how much effort they put in. And the men too honestly - motivated me to step my game up when I got back.

Europe as a whole is obviously more conscious of these things but the Milanese seemed to take it to another level. And having dinner at Trattoria Giannino - my god, there was a group of what looked like trust funders, bankers or footballers and what must have been models that tested my ability to focus on my date (a pretty Italian girl who was nonetheless outclassed by that talent).

As for the girls in town for Fashion Week, if I'm right about you, I'd work the local angle. Girls with maps are providing a gold-plated opener right then and there. And on an opposite tack - I can't think of a better time to game the local 7-8s who are suddenly feeling a precipitous drop in male attention.

[Cr33pin]

(09-09-2014 09:20 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Or you guys could do what Alpha male Nicolas Cage did in the great movie "Lord Of War"...to get the best sometimes requires more than game, it requires one to impress them. So to get his dream girl "Ava Fontaine" Nicolas Cage ends up secretly renting out a hotel in the Caribbean, hiring a private jet and flying a perfect 10 model (after whom he has lusted since he was a young man) there to take a private photoshoot for him:

If thats what it takes to get a 10 I will gladly just keep smashing 6,7, and 8's

With the occasional 5 thrown in there

An a random 9 every now an then

[BadgerHut]

(09-10-2014 09:25 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 09:20 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Or you guys could do what Alpha male Nicolas Cage did in the great movie "Lord Of War"...to get the best sometimes requires more than game, it requires one to impress them. So to get his dream girl "Ava Fontaine" Nicolas Cage ends up secretly renting out a hotel in the Caribbean, hiring a private jet and flying a perfect 10 model (after whom he has lusted since he was a young man) there to take a private photoshoot for him:

If thats what it takes to get a 10 I will gladly just keep smashing 6,7, and 8's

With the occasional 5 thrown in there

An a random 9 every now an then

Hehe, lots of cynical red-pill truth in that movie.

Also I'm sure Roosh and other FSU travelers loved the scene with the map of Ukraine laid out in cocaine.

[Sourcecode]

How many people here are speaking from game practice as opposed to game theory.
How do you know that most male models are gay.
How many model girls have you actually approached?

I have my fair share of travel and don't way have a great social circle..But only. Some of my circles are top notch.
I know plenty of female and male models.. and a lot of the guys arent gay... I would just say they are extremely...eccentric.

I'm oy about a 7.25 and I've been lucky enough to date/ go out with small time up to low level fashion models.
They are people too.. most of the time.. They seem more fucked up in the head than anyone.
Honestly.. you don't want to date those girls.. They aren't looking for one night stands.. They want relationships and then you'll figure out how many problems they have.

Don't put them on pedestals.. dress well..approach them.
If you get blown out... move to the next one.
It's your inner game that's hiding you back. Not your outer game.
Instead of making a bunch of justifications on this..look into yourself.

Hopefully I don't come off as good looking guy game..But once you bed a couple of tabletop quality girls..you realize that you can relax a little more with your game

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

(09-10-2014 12:20 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

How many people here are speaking from game practice as opposed to game theory.
How do you know that most male models are gay.
How many model girls have you actually approached?

I have my fair share of travel and don't way have a great social circle..But only. Some of my circles are top notch.
I know plenty of female and male models.. and a lot of the guys arent gay... I would just say they are extremely...eccentric.

I'm oy about a 7.25 and I've been lucky enough to date/ go out with small time up to low level fashion models.
They are people too.. most of the time.. They seem more fucked up in the head than anyone.
Honestly.. you don't want to date those girls.. They aren't looking for one night stands.. They want relationships and then you'll figure out how many problems they have.

Don't put them on pedestals.. dress well..approach them.
If you get blown out... move to the next one.
It's your inner game that's hiding you back. Not your outer game.
Instead of making a bunch of justifications on this..look into yourself.

Hopefully I don't come off as good looking guy game..But once you bed a couple of tabletop quality girls..you realize that you can relax a little more with your game

No offense, but theory comes from practice.

We don't just pull this shit out of our ass.

[trainwreck]

They're all even more insecure than normal women, as they know their value is heavily dependent on their beauty. I've lately started only hitting on girls during daygame whom I regard as 8+'s and I feel like I get better responses.

The girls compliment my boldness and also seem more warm towards my approaches.

I agree however, hotter girls barely get approached. And if you show value and treat them just like any other girl, they will value you through the roof. All they want is just some connection.

And then there's another side. These girls are susceptible to bulemia and other depressions. Beauty is really a curse with many women. That's why you stick to one when you find a stable beautiful girl, that's the unicorn for the male.

and btw, Milan is heaven for guys who want to "hire" a model who's not had her breakthrough yet. 99% of models, especially in Milan, never make it. The ones being well paid are walking in Paris and NYC, and even there, many earn their money by being paid to party at clubs. If you date some of these girls, you'll have a few sensors for "seeking arrangement girl" red flags.

[Pride male]

Anyone see the British show Take Me Out? It's a dating show where 30 girls have to choose whether to date one guy in 3 rounds. Last round said guy chooses 2 girls. Been watching the African version. I was shocked to see guys choosing warpigs over dimes. I think some men don't have the balls to bang, let alone approach hotties.

[horn]

(09-10-2014 12:20 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

How many people here are speaking from game practice as opposed to game theory.
How do you know that most male models are gay.
How many model girls have you actually approached?

Well, I am.

Because that's my experience with meeting male models and what female models tell me. But as I said, it's kinda irrelevant because once the girls are modeling for a while, they no longer notice the guy's looks unless he's a 10. And straight.

Real models as opposed to wannabes? Easily 100+. I've been trying and doing for over 20 years, so. Also Playmates who I'd see in NYC or get introduced to, they count also I would say.

Fact: Most models when they move to NYC are under 21 often 18, and have no money AND live with 3 other girls in a 2-bdrm. And have very little self-confidence after a day of being told they need to lose weight, be taller, change their hair, work on their abs and butt, not a size 0/2/4, not runway material, not bikini material, not lingerie material, not girl next door, not exotic, eyes too wide, too ethnic, not ethnic enough, big nose, etc.

The girl I picked up the other week walked 2 shows this week. One well known, one newer brand.

My very good buddy dated a girl on Vogue cover twice. Then you have social circle game.

A lot of these girls [like her] like to party hard, stay out late, sleep around, and will gladly bring like 5+ models with them if two average+ looking guys are paying for drinks or 420.

They often stay in apts where the phone number rarely changes. Or if it does you can get the new one relatively easily. And it's not like the buildings move away in the middle of the night.

They do not want to go back home alone at 3am. Their roommates already assumed they slutted it up so they often do. Plus you have the 'new girl in big city' phenomenon. It's like vacation for them - time to find a new guy even if it's only for a week. Or a night.


tl/dr; guys move to NYC and you can bang a model if you have Game. Just get an apt.

[Distant Light]

As a guy who's been in this realm for 3 years now...

While many of the dynamics mentioned by some of the other posters about "guys" who are killing it. It's still a very small percentage in comparison to NEW WOMEN coming in and the overall vast amount of...
- working model types
- wannabe model types
- unknown model types
- non-models who fit the "look".

Some of the dynamics mentioned is also what limits their overall social/sex life and although it sounds like a joke sometimes just "having an apartment" is all that is needed. (because the chicks really don't want to have to leave "the big city")

All these dynamics though aren't all glamour and glitz so I dislike talking about it.

What I will say though is, if you have access and actually are a "cool" dude then it will be "turkey shoot" because the MALE QUALITY is slim pickings.

Last time I was out, I was with 2 of my boys and 8-10 models (who my boy mentioned weren't really "working models") I DID NOT SPEAK TO ONE OF THEM with the exception of one chick apologizing to me for moving my drink. (but it was more in a "trying to start a convo" manner. There was no real reason for her to apologize)

We went to the 2nd venue which the bouncer didn't want a 4th guy at the table so I split off with them. However, those 10 models spoke to 0 MEN and barely interacted with my 2 friends.

To put in perspective, when we went to the 2nd venue, ropes opened instantly and occupied the table that the "owner" generally holds down. They had the hottest girls in the venue. I'm 100% none of those chicks got laid. (but my boys consistently do)

Hope In The Land Of Hot Women
I remember one of my earliest cold approaches was a russian hottie walking down the street headed to the hottest club at the time...

I opened her stating she has a "hot bitchy" walk which I love. Stopped and chatted ALMOST got her to ditch going to the top venue to hang with me at a shitty venue in comparison.

Reason I bring this up is because the "look" she gave me and mental battle of finally experiencing something awesome. She wanted to "connect" BUT I ended up telling her to just go. (Which made her sad)

That VIBE, I seen alot over the past 3 years, it's as if they finally had a moment where they "feel alive". None of the crazy dynamics just simply "she met an awesome guy" through and through.

Back then I had full access to one of the top venues so I'd literally just show up KNOWING 100% I'd meet some awesome model chick. (Alcohol royally fucked up a good thing)

Can you find the duck







P.S...There is one chick who I haven't seen possibly all year (exception of running into each other 2-3 times) who once randomly mentioned "she misses me". It's INSANE to think such an attractive chick still thinks about me when there should be tons of men all over her. (In reality, her being 6'1 without heels is very intimidating to men...1st night I met her we were making out passionately but logistics stopped us from hooking up...like other dude said "an apt" hahahaah)

[bojangles]

(09-10-2014 03:55 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

Anyone see the British show Take Me Out? It's a dating show where 30 girls have to choose whether to date one guy in 3 rounds. Last round said guy chooses 2 girls. Been watching the African version. I was shocked to see guys choosing warpigs over dimes. I think some men don't have the balls to bang, let alone approach hotties.

There's an african version? hahaha

The british version is a bit of a con, there's 'models' on there and the dates never go anywhere. I've met one of those 'models' and shes a 7 at best.

[horn]

(09-11-2014 02:44 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

P.S...There is one chick who I haven't seen possibly all year (exception of running into each other 2-3 times) who once randomly mentioned "she misses me". It's INSANE to think such an attractive chick still thinks about me when there should be tons of men all over her. (In reality, her being 6'1 without heels is very intimidating to men...1st night I met her we were making out passionately but logistics stopped us from hooking up...like other dude said "an apt" hahahaah)

One of my fave venues as well.

Yeah, it's hard to be a tall girl, that scares guys off with her looks as well.

I've known about three 6'2-3" real hotties in my life. Almost nobody ever asked them out. Except me.

[DVY]

Word up. Say hi, be sweet but forward and it'll do wonders.

It works especially well in a restuarant bar setting. I've met gorgeous tall sexy women who are way friendlier than cute women. Still blows my mind.