[Sebastian]

I got this girls number while walking towards the bar on street. she was into talking to me immediately.
'oh by the way, I am going on a date lol, take my number' and she called me on spot.

she is a tall blonde with skinny model type figure.

several days later, I txted her to meet up.
I told her 'let's meet at this place around 9ish'

I told her 9ish. I didn't feel like going there 9 on the dot and wait for her like average guys. I wanted to play 'cool'
I txted her around 9:15 'I am on my way, are you there'
she didn't reply. I called her near the bar around 9:25. she didn't answer.
she txted back in a bit saying 'I am about to finish my drink, I am leaving'
I called her and she didn't answer again.

I believe she can't tolerate such treatment. (guess how many guys are willing to do whatever to get her) If it was a regular girl, I don't think she would have problem waiting for a guy little bit.

I txted her a week later for coffee and she came out. she seemed happy meeting me. we planned to meet at a bar this weekend.

This girl remind me of another girl at the same level (looks wise) I lost.
I 'Tried' to act like an Alpha not to be like one of those guys who will do anything for her. But she went away because I crossed the line.

It's like walking on a timber. One side, you will be an asshole, the other side you will be just one of those average guys. it's hard to stay in the middle.

I think all guys are nice at the beginning but after realizing those nice behaviors pushed her away, we get bitter. That bitterness makes us think twice about nice behavior we want to do naturally.
'would she think of me as one of those guys if I buy her $5 drinks?'

I walked her to her car in the coffee shop parking lot and she txted me saying 'thanks for walking me to my car'
So I have a feeling she expects those gentleman behaviors and appreciates too.

What are your thoughts on girls with high standards?

[Dalaran1991]

(08-22-2014 02:06 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

'would she think of me as one of those guys if I buy her $5 drinks?'

Let me guess this straight.

She is hot.

She is going on a date and she still giving out her number expecting you to call her and take her out, even after flatly rejecting herself by that statement?

Then for your first meet up, she disrespected you completely by not even bother replying?

Then you go on a coffee date and you walk her to her car. Without kissing/kinoing/esclation? You didnt mention.

If the last part is true, I think she is thinking of you as one of those guys who buy her $5 drinks, walk her to the car, open the door, do her laundry, clean her house, feed her dog, pick up her grocery, and go out and entertain her when she has nothing to do.

Entitled attention whore. Push for sex or next her

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Frankly paying for drinks on the first date is what many guys do anyway. I do so too, since I invited her and I want her to get drunk. I just don't invite girls for dinner dates or pay for food etc. (unless she is dirt-poor in EE or FSU)

Only if you had met her in a bar the not-paying-for-drinks-rule is in effect.

Walking her to her car is common sense, but also a chance to go for a kiss or more.

Making appointments 9-ish is in my opinion not a good move either. Sure - girls are often late, that is why you can spend time hitting on other girls in the bar or having a second fuck-date set up at 11pm.
You say the exact time and you are almost on time - being 5 minutes late makes you more desirable and I have heard guys doing that on purpose. I don't. I come on time and tease her more or less hard when she is even 30 seconds late. Heh. If she is 20 minutes late, then she is on the defensive and feels that she needs to make it up to you.

That is why giving exact times is good, since she could just as well come at 9.55 instead of 9 and be still 9ish. Only in hang-out dates you may call it 9ish, since you are in a place anyway without her.

I think that she found you attractive enough, but you likely overdid it with some things. Game is a process where you use the tips of others and then apply it to your own individual style to become a more masculine, more Alpha, more seductive version of yourself.

[Sebastian]

That statement meant since she is hot, it makes me think twice about my actions, making myself look unnatural. (if she was bubbly 7, 'two bud lights' will come out without thinking too much)

No I was the one on a way for a date. So I guess it made me look less weird talking to a girl on street at night.

We met at a coffee shop during the day. She came out with tight short mini striped dress. It was well enough to make guys drool. I didn't acknowledge her how hot she was by looking at her here and there and acting bit differently. (they can sense right away. 'he knows I am hot')I was there just to talk to her.

btw, I was there already with my coffee (invited her as I am going there. you can join me) She was waiting for a coffee and I was standing by her little bit. I just told her 'I am sitting outside' and left her there.
It would've been awkward for me to pay for $2 coffee since it wasn't really a date. Bar date tomorrow is totally different though.

As far as kino thing goes,
When I started doing Games. I was obsessed with doing 'K-close' and 'Kinos' (don't use that term anymore) as soon as possible.
If it was 5 years ago, I probably would've came back home and wrote a field report on how I k-closed this hot chick. but I don't care anymore. I just let it happen naturally. I think I could've kissed her but what does that mean? I don't get excited by just kissing a girl anymore.

Anyways, my plan is to ask her if she wants to meet there or go there together. (easier to go back to her house)
Just buy her drink while mentioning 'I will get the first round'
It's so easy to kiss a girl once she comes out on a date to a bar but I won't do that to build the tension.
During the conversation, I will ask about what kind of wine she keeps at her house. When we are about to finish drinks, I will tell her let's get the second round at her house (she works at the coffee shop. good way to save money. 'oh I don't have to drop $20 on two glasses of wine')

Maybe I planned too precisely but that's my brief agenda. All other things (what to talk about etc) would be pretty much free style.

(08-22-2014 03:20 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 02:06 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

'would she think of me as one of those guys if I buy her $5 drinks?'

Let me guess this straight.

She is hot.

She is going on a date and she still giving out her number expecting you to call her and take her out, even after flatly rejecting herself by that statement?

Then for your first meet up, she disrespected you completely by not even bother replying?

Then you go on a coffee date and you walk her to her car. Without kissing/kinoing/esclation? You didnt mention.

If the last part is true, I think she is thinking of you as one of those guys who buy her $5 drinks, walk her to the car, open the door, do her laundry, clean her house, feed her dog, pick up her grocery, and go out and entertain her when she has nothing to do.

Entitled attention whore

[Heathree]

You agree to meet and was a bit late. So you text/call her and she fails to answer/respond. And then you contact her a week later and you meet up. As she failed to consider and reply to you the first instance, isn't it showing lack of self respect continuing to chase her?

[Sebastian]

Actually we ended txt conversation as 'no worries, let's meet some other time'

What is exactly self-respect? I approach a girl, get shot down, brush it off immediately and approach another one. Is this part of lacking self-respect?

I looked at it differently. She came out at 9 when I told her 9ish.
I was bit aggravated by the fact that she didn't answer the call. But that showed she was Upset. Why would she get upset? you know what I am trying to say?

(08-22-2014 05:17 AM)Heathree Wrote:  

You agree to meet and was a bit late. So you text/call her and she fails to answer/respond. And then you contact her a week later and you meet up. As she failed to consider and reply to you the first instance, isn't it showing lack of self respect continuing to chase her?

[Heathree]

^ Perhaps 'self respect' is the not the right word. But 2 people turning up to a venue and failing to meet because one of them just decides to leave. Does not exactly to paint that person in a good light.

[Onto]

Setting the time.

9ish is feminine - it's free-flowing, could be anytime before of after and who knows when really. It will "just happen".
9pm is masculine - It's has a defined identity. Something to count on and people are held accountable to it.

For example a Mother will tell her children to get their homework done by 9ish, while a Father will expect it to be done by 9pm.

I'm really surprised you got another date out of her when you were 25 mins late. I give a girl no more than 15 mins before I walk and I don't meet up with them again.

From what you wrote, I don't see how she is being a Princess or that she has high standards. Would need more detail on that.

All in all, a woman wants a man who's masculine. Being and asshole is not masculine. Being a pushover is not masculine either. Being a man with an identity, with principles, and who has a well-defined plan that can be counted on and holds others accountable to it is masculine.

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

Sometimes you will lose girls.

The last thing you should do is tread of eggshells. The very thing that makes you attractive is the fact that you are willing to lose her. You mustn't fake that, you must ACTUALLY be willing to lose her.

[BadgerHut]

I read the title "Princess type girl" and immediately thought:

Dump her. Not worth it. Plenty of attractive girls who will be happy to spend time with you and sleep with you, it's a waste to worry about how to game some self-indulgent egomaniac chick.

Then I read the post, and I stand by my original thought.

[Sebastian]

Yeah as i expected, she had to home to work in the morning at a coffee shop.
I suspect she is gold digging girl in a weird way.
I said i stayed at this town near santa barbara. She said 'it must be expensive....'
I said i used to wear those hip hop style diamond rings back in high school. She said 'was it real diamond'
I said i was going to get sparkling wine at a bar. She said 'you are getting cristal...?' (Theres no fuckin cristal in this town. Most expensive you can get is $9 cocktail)

So im going to change my game plan. Im not the type of guy trying to impress girls. But with this girl, i will talk
about nice things and places. When she asks question like that, i will just agree with her.
Hell i might take her out on a shopping spree too (she asked if i wanted to go to thrift store. Not buffalo exchange type but real thrift store like good will. I dont mind getting her $5 shirt)

I need to work on my game for cute hipster girls working at coffee shops. So this might be a fun Side project.

[BadgerHut]

(08-23-2014 04:24 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Yeah as i expected, she had to home to work in the morning at a coffee shop.
I suspect she is gold digging girl in a weird way.
I said i stayed at this town near santa barbara. She said 'it must be expensive....'
I said i used to wear those hip hop style diamond rings back in high school. She said 'was it real diamond'
I said i was going to get sparkling wine at a bar. She said 'you are getting cristal...?' (Theres no fuckin cristal in this town. Most expensive you can get is $9 cocktail)

So im going to change my game plan. Im not the type of guy trying to impress girls. But with this girl, i will talk
about nice things and places. When she asks question like that, i will just agree with her.
Hell i might take her out on a shopping spree too (she asked if i wanted to go to thrift store. Not buffalo exchange type but real thrift store like good will. I dont mind getting her $5 shirt)

I need to work on my game for cute hipster girls working at coffee shops. So this might be a fun Side project.

Still not sure why you're wasting your time with this flake. Maybe go game other girls.

[Texas_Tryhard]

You're planning on taking this girl that you haven't kissed yet on a shopping spree. Even if it's a cheap one, that's ridiculous and shameful.

Take this girl to the bar, if she puts out after the date then great. If she doesn't then next her. You're being led along by the smell of pussy, and that's not the point of game.