[soup]

Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

If you say "no," then don't bother posting here- it's obvious that there are a lot who think we have nothing in common with the other side.

This is for things that we actually do agree on.

Also, this isn't a discussion about whether or not it matters. I'm just curious to know if we intersect with them anywhere.

[Surreyman]

I would agree with them that Traditional Conservative politics/worldviews are redundant.

They were good whilst they lasted, but everything different now. That was the past.

[Sp5]

No female genital mutilation - FGM. Would make a nice cause for us, I think.

[Dr. Howard]

open expression of female bisexuality? The barriers to a threesome would be way higher if girls making out with girls was shamed.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-21-2014 01:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

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Also, this isn't a discussion about whether or not it matters. I'm just curious to know if we intersect with them anywhere.

Of course there will be points we intersect with being against genital mutilation and the general ability to buy a house as a woman or have an education if she has an IQ of 150+ and is interested in science.

But the question is moot nonetheless, because the entire doctrine is highly negative.

We could also ask: "Things that we agree with Hitler and the Nazis? The good sides of living in a NAZI STATE." Yes - you will find plenty of things, but really who cares?

All the things that are being given credit to feminism were achieved or could have been achieved by common sense humanism. In my opinion most changes would have come about even if feminism had never appeared in history.

[Foolsgo1d]

(08-21-2014 01:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

We don't even agree on that.

Men believe things are fucked up from a variety of issues.

Feminists see men as the sole reason for all of the fuck ups.

[The Beast1]

That transwomen are not real women. However they're the ones that will bring the feminazi party to its knees.

Beyond that they're nuts.

[soup]

I got one- guys on this forum would probably agree with feminists that most guys out there don't understand women. Players seem to understand women more than women probably want us to understand them. That could be why the hate us so much.

I know that some guys here look down on guys running bad game or anti-game (like cat-caller guys).

I think there's a lot that they could learn about themselves from us.

Also- I know for a fact that lesbians use game, and I've even been asked by some about how to do it. That's another thing we have in common.

Unlike the Nazi's, whose medical experiments, despite being the epitome of evil, might have had a silver lining in the form of medical knowledge (although I don't know the exact details about whether or not that's true, or if we could have found out that medical info eventually on our own without doing horrible things), I can't think of anything we've learned from the feminists.

[soup]

(08-21-2014 04:45 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 01:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

We don't even agree on that.

Men believe things are fucked up from a variety of issues.

Feminists see men as the sole reason for all of the fuck ups.

What's interesting about this to me is that by putting all the blame and responsibility on the shoulders of men, they are in essence saying that men are the ones with the agency who get shit done, regardless of if it's good or bad.

You can't fuck something up if you don't have the power to fuck it up.

Im curious to know what they think about gold-digging women. Do they seem them as heros or as a bad example? I know a girl who could probably characterized as a feminist in certain respects who thinks that women shouldn't be relying on men for money because they can go out and make their own money now.

Maybe we agree with them that gold-diggers suck.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-21-2014 07:55 AM)soup Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 04:45 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 01:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

We don't even agree on that.

Men believe things are fucked up from a variety of issues.

Feminists see men as the sole reason for all of the fuck ups.

What's interesting about this to me is that by putting all the blame and responsibility on the shoulders of men, they are in essence saying that men are the ones with the agency who get shit done, regardless of if it's good or bad.

You can't fuck something up if you don't have the power to fuck it up.

Im curious to know what they think about gold-digging women. Do they seem them as heros or as a bad example? I know a girl who could probably characterized as a feminist in certain respects who thinks that women shouldn't be relying on men for money because they can go out and make their own money now.

Maybe we agree with them that gold-diggers suck.

Feminists don't even agree with other feminists. To stick them to a group of agreed upon points is not really possible.

One feminist will claim a Gold Digger is a woman just striking back against the patriarchy and getting what she deserves and is a hero.

Another feminist will claim a Gold Digger is a lazy woman, who refused to strike out on her own and is getting by off men and make women look bad.

Feminists pretty much only agree on one thing, and it is the opposite of what any man believes...

Men are worthless creatures whose sole purpose is to do all the work and let women get all the credit and all the rewards from the hard work and then men should get nothing in return.

[soup]

(08-21-2014 08:06 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

[quote] (08-21-2014 07:55 AM)soup Wrote:  

[quote='soup' pid='811515' dateline='1408604184']
Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

Feminists pretty much only agree on one thing, and it is the opposite of what any man believes...

Men are worthless creatures whose sole purpose is to do all the work and let women get all the credit and all the rewards from the hard work and then men should get nothing in return.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that all feminists believe this statement. Isn't there a female version of MGTOW who won't accept anything from men on principle? A basic example would be a woman not wanting you to hold the door for her or not wanting you to pay the bill at dinner.

[Deluge]

We both love easy women

[soup]

(08-21-2014 02:42 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

No female genital mutilation - FGM. Would make a nice cause for us, I think.

If my memory is correct, I think ROK recently did an article on the benefits of female circumcision.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-21-2014 08:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

[quote] (08-21-2014 08:06 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

[quote] (08-21-2014 07:55 AM)soup Wrote:  

[quote='soup' pid='811515' dateline='1408604184']
Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

Feminists pretty much only agree on one thing, and it is the opposite of what any man believes...

Men are worthless creatures whose sole purpose is to do all the work and let women get all the credit and all the rewards from the hard work and then men should get nothing in return.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that all feminists believe this statement. Isn't there a female version of MGTOW who won't accept anything from men on principle? A basic example would be a woman not wanting you to hold the door for her or not wanting you to pay the bill at dinner.[/quote]

Yea, but the first time these MGTOW feminist run into a situation that men just handle such as..

- tax base when they need unemployment
- protection
- heavy lifting

They will run off to find one of those worthless no good men.

But you are right, there probably really is no single point feminist agree upon, except making men's lives miserable.

[soup]

(08-21-2014 08:15 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 08:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

[quote] (08-21-2014 08:06 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

[quote] (08-21-2014 07:55 AM)soup Wrote:  

Are there any things that we agree on with feminists besides the baseline of "things are fucked up"?

Feminists pretty much only agree on one thing, and it is the opposite of what any man believes...

Men are worthless creatures whose sole purpose is to do all the work and let women get all the credit and all the rewards from the hard work and then men should get nothing in return.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that all feminists believe this statement. Isn't there a female version of MGTOW who won't accept anything from men on principle? A basic example would be a woman not wanting you to hold the door for her or not wanting you to pay the bill at dinner.

Yea, but the first time these MGTOW feminist run into a situation that men just handle such as..

- tax base when they need unemployment
- protection
- heavy lifting

They will run off to find one of those worthless no good men.

But you are right, there probably really is no single point feminist agree upon, except making men's lives miserable.

I hear what you are saying, but I don't think most feminists would admit that making men's lives miserable is their cause (even if there is some truth to that).

This thread is mostly for stuff that we would be able to agree on with them if we had a sit-down- like things that we could verbally agree with them on.

[Old Fritz]

I'm not even sure. Nowadays, feminist can't even agree on common ground anymore. Back when feminism first started gaining momentum, women wanted the right to vote and later on opportunities for things such as education. This is nice in itself I suppose considering many other groups (ethic groups for instance) had faced oppression in a similar way.

But in today's society we have women calling sexism because they don't like the way women are portrayed in a fucking movie or video game. Talk about first world problems. We have women who will dress deliberately in a short skirt or very short shorts and then complain when a guy stares; not knowing that they would be pulled off the streets and flat out gang raped in other countries.

We also have women still bringing up things like the wage gap even though it's been completely analyzed and broken down by many men and women. Some women like to talk about the way women are treated in places like Saudi Arabia but feminism itself will never penetrate a place like Saudi Arabia. I can think of several other countries that will never be penetrated by feminism like here in the USA.

[Sp5]

(08-21-2014 08:12 AM)soup Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 02:42 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

No female genital mutilation - FGM. Would make a nice cause for us, I think.

If my memory is correct, I think ROK recently did an article on the benefits of female circumcision.

Ha, you're right.

http://www.returnofkings.com/39017/shoul...cer-in-men

A questionable argument - that it would prevent throat cancer in men doing cunnilingus.



I think it was a parody.

Anyways, probably never lived in a place with a lot of these sexual cripples or banged one.

[Sombro]

It doesn't matter whether we agree with feminists because their actions betray their words pretty much every day.

[dog]

I think it's hard to spell out a universal "we" for everyone on these boards or the red pill universe. Every one comes from a different background and very few people will have the exact same view on things.

One thing that comes to mind that we probably share with feminists is promoting access to birth control, although part of me suspects that feminists won't like the consequences of a male "pill". On our side of the equation, many red pillers will point out that female-oriented birth control has had the consequence of unleashing female hypergamy and is a cause of many of society's present dysfunctions.

Other than that, it's hard to think of anything. Red pill philosophy seems to fully encompass everything in-between (and includiing) laissez faire "it's ok as long as you aren't hurting anyone" libertarian thought to conservative traditionalist "protecting the institutions of civilization" ideas. On the flip side, the feminists are avowed enemies of the institutions of civilization and are adamant they have no intention of letting others live their lives without interference.

The one group that have a strong baptists-and-bootleggers alliance with Feminists are Conservative groups that have historically been massive proponents of white knighting and subjugating men in the name of traditional values. The existence of these groups on the Right side of the Left-Right dichotomy in America (and the West in general) is one of the principal reasons why Feminism has flourished so strongly, and won't be going anywhere any time soon.