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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

I taught English in Bogota, Colombia.

First of all, for anyone with any ideas of making money doing this, absolutely forget it.

The way this works, as far as getting a "good" job is thus:

Most places that pay anywhere near "decent" will be catering to businesses which want classes for their employees before and after the working day. So a typical teacher's schedule would look something like this:

6am-8am: Class
6pm-8pm: Class

This seems OK, until you consider that Bogota is an immense city with awful transportation, and realistically, you may be commuting for 1-2 hours each way for each of your classes. So teaching a 6am class somewhere really means waking up at 4am.

Now if you're in Colombia, perhaps you're there to enjoy yourself and don't want to wake up at 4am every day. Many people are that way. And so many English teachers call out of 4am classes quite a lot. Also, imagine you have a family and are working an office job in Colombia. Maybe you don't want to get to work 2 hours earlier than usual or stay 2 hours late for English classes every time, even though it seemed like a good idea to you at the time when you signed up. So lots of times, your students don't show up either.

Normally, you will be given a schedule where you have classes with, say, 2 different companies. Usually, you do not have classes at the same company every day. So you may teach classes at Company A's office from 6-8am on Monday, Wendesday, and Friday, and teach classes at Company B's office from 6-8pm on Monday-Thursday.

Normally classes are 1.5 hours or 2 hours. You should expect to make at least $35 mil for a class, and up to $60 mil. That is, if you're working for International House or something like that.

These offices are probably far from where you live, since the cool places to live are not really near the places with lots of offices. So you will be commuting a lot. For about half the year in Bogota, it can rain torrential downpour at any moment, so you may leave your apartment and it's sunny, and then arrive during a torrential downpour. You will not be taking taxis because that will be too expensive, so you will be taking busses, and the stops may not be terribly close to the location you're working at. So besides bringing an umbrella with you everywhere you go, you will need to think seriously about wearing waterproof boots everywhere you go for half the year. Or you will be up to your ankles in water wearing some ruined-ass shoes.

If you were hustling hard, you would set up private classes during the day or in the evening. For a time I taught private classes at a restaurant where they got lots of tourists, I taught them how to speak to the tourists about their menu and what the items were. That lasted for a few months until the owner decided he did not like the expense, and stopped the classes. Many private students followed that pattern.

I had a CELTA. Many places will hire you without a CELTA. Some will not. Usually places will pay higher for a candidate with a CELTA than one without. A normal teacher's salary might be 1.5 million COP a month, if you have a CELTA. It is not unusual for companies to pay you an incorrect amount, so keep your records. It is also not unusual for payment to be a bit delayed because of this or that problem.

To get a work visa, a company needs to sponsor you. My company, International House, sponsored me and paid for the entire process, including flights to Venezuela and a hotel there, which was less fun than I thought it might be, since we ended up in a quiet border town where they had nothing to do at night.

The types of companies that hire you and contract you out to offices to teach classes, like International House, or Peterson's, are the basis of your ESL business there.

There are other companies which pop up all the time, one such I know called "Verve" which offer private classes to wealthy people in Bogota. These classes can pay just as much as teaching an entire room full of office workers. Of course, rich clients expect a better quality product than office workers who basically expect the drudgery of running through a textbook without much thought.

Setting up private classes would be the best way to make actual money, but they are often precarious. People there would like to learn English, but salaries are very low. Lawyers can make as little as 1 million COP a month, so they aren't going to be able to pay you very much. Very often private classes are short-lived as people fully realize what a huge expense it is to pay you anything that would make it worth your time.

At "Verve" I ended up doing private classes at the home of a University student. Really, that might be the best way to do things, is meet University students who have wealthy parents and organize some type of group classes with them.

The lifestyle of the ESL teacher in Bogota is basically awful, if you compare it to a western lifestyle. You likely have an awfully shitty bed, because buying a nice bed is worth about 1-2 months' salary. Many for instance sleep on roll-out mattresses on a floor.

You likely drink way more than you should on your salary, as beers cost about 2mil COP which seems cheap until you realize that you really only have about 20-40mil COP to spend a day without going completely broke.

You will probably hang out with lots of grifters and hustlers and criminals, and quickly that will seem normal. In a certain way this can be fun or seem interesting for a while, I don't know what this phenomenon is called, slumming it? Some may enjoy it. I definitely thought it was invigorating to mix with the lower elements of society, something I had never really done before.

The food in Colombia, in Bogota, in my opinion, was bad. It was bland, it lacked flavors, it was like they took good ingredients and ruined them. Fresh meat and vegetables are remarkably chepa there. I got like 7 pounds of fresh beef tenderloid for $14mil COP (7 dollars) I remember. An egg is 200COP (about 10 cents). A giant bag of carrots is like 2milCOP (1 dollar). You can cook and buy all the ingredients to make wonderful fresh food, but the stuff they prepare is just pretty bad overall in my opinion. Overcooked dry chewy meat was really common. Super salty or no salt at all was another thing that bothered me. You are better off cooking for yourself honestly.

As for the girls, here's the messed up part.

You will be living as a person who, from a first-world perspective, is basically in poverty. From a local perspective, having your own room full of beer cans and a roll-out bed on the floor is a lot more than many many people have down there. Basically, having your own place of any sort is a real plus down there.

Obviously you will not be dealing with rich socialites and classy ladies. But there are plenty of very cute girls who are not at all ratty or scummy who will gladly share time with you. And if you are into the ratty and scummy girls, there are many of those too. I mean, it was a real shock coming back to the U.S. afterwards. I had graduated college and went to Colombia, and seeing the struggle that the average guy has with girls in the U.S. I was completely shocked. None of my friends could understand, they think I'm crazy, talking about the problems of obesity and how ugly/fat/annoying girls are here. But seriously, on a poverty salary in Colombia, your experience with girls will be 10X better than the average guy making 50k in the USA. The amount of easy pussy that guys with blonde hair/light eyes get is especially ridiculous, as guys who were complete weirdos with no game, style, or anything would frequently get with girls that would be impossible for them in the U.S.

Overall, it was an experience I look back on with very mixed emotions. It helped me become fluent in Spanish, at the time I certainly enjoyed myself, it's a chapter of my life I will always remember fondly no doubt. I left with no money but a lot of interesting memories. I would say I am very happy I did it, and learning Spanish is a huge plus to me. I also learned to dance a little, and how to best adjust to new situations. As an adult though, I left there with little in the way of skills or real world experiences. Sometimes in job interviews, people seem really fascinated that I have done this, they see it as a positive, clearly vicariously living their wanderlust through me. Others understand that this was just a gig anyone could have gotten to bum around South America for a while. Without a doubt, it was a year that I was very happy during. Certainly happier than working a job in the United States, despite the third-world living.

Overall I would recommend people do this if they are curious. 1 thing I would say is make sure you have a few thousand dollars "fuck you" money that you do not touch at all, in case of emergency.

And finally, I knew people who did this WITHOUT a university degree. Their experience was no different than mine. They had as much fun, as many struggles, and learned just as much. This job really is perfect for people BEFORE they go to University. It is a wonderful learning experience that can help you think about what you want to do with your life, but isn't really going to put you on any professional track at all. I think I would recommend to anyone who just graduated High School that they should forego University for a while and, if they're interested, teach English abroad somewhere living like a lowlife and seeing a different side of the world.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

How much better would Colombia be with more $$?

Better food?
Better friends?
Better chicks?

WIA
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Quote: (08-14-2014 01:59 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

How much better would Colombia be with more $$?

Better food?
Better friends?
Better chicks?

WIA

Everything would be better, but I will say 1 thing is that the friends I made in Colombia were really good people. Making friends there is incredibly easy, the people are very open and warm and caring. People in the U.S. seemed straight up cold after. The welcome a stranger gives you in Colombia is warmer than most of your friends in the USA.

The food in Colombia, even in expensive restaurants, I thought it was not good overall. I can compare it to Mexico for instance. In Mexico, even inexpensive food was prepared with care, the meat was tasty, it was seasoned well, there were fresh sauces to eat it with etc. In Colombia, often expensive food was all about pretense and a fancy-looking restaurant, it could still be prepared just as poorly. If you are going to Bogota, I can recommend some good restaurants at all different price levels.

Of course there is good food but my point is it's not the norm, you have to really look, because for some reason it seems like they just do not in general put much care into preparing things carefully there.

The chicks of course, with money, better chicks, no doubt. But even on an English teacher's salary the chicks you get down there are better than American girls. Thinner, nicer, cuter, more feminine, cook, clean, dress better, you name it.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Excellent write up.

What's the word on the street about Bogota Business English?
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Quote: (08-14-2014 02:12 AM)buja Wrote:  

Excellent write up.

What's the word on the street about Bogota Business English?

I don't know anything about that place, where did you hear about it?
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Making 1.5 million COP per month where on earth where you living?

Santa Fe with the indigentes?

All the one bedroom apartments and apartment hotels north of calle 60 where at least 100000 per night (short term), 50000 and more long term.

That really is an awful salary you can't catch taxis, can't eat out regularly, can't go to Zona T.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Sonsowney,
Great post. Two questions-how much do you think English teachers get payed in Medellin and second-tier cities, and how much harder do you think it is to find a job? I'd like to teach for a year or so down there but I'm not sure if a TEFL might not be worth it, since I absolutely do not want to work in Bogota (where it seems to be easiest to get teaching jobs).

A lot of your complains are things I hear a lot about Bogota. Definitely not the place to be in Colombia, IMO. I think second-tier Colombia is where it's at for these type of gigs.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Viajero,

I recently met two English teachers in Medellin. They are making 1500 dollars per month. They found very cheap rent in laureless for one hundred dollars per month (sharing a house). They were singing the praises of teaching in Medellin. They didn't have previous experience. They also claimed that teaching in Colombia was the best overall deal in South America
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Quote: (08-14-2014 09:04 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Viajero,

I recently met two English teachers in Medellin. They are making 1500 dollars per month. They found very cheap rent in laureless for one hundred dollars per month (sharing a house). They were singing the praises of teaching in Medellin. They didn't have previous experience. They also claimed that teaching in Colombia was the best overall deal in South America

That's pretty good money in Medellin, I did know a guy making around $1200 a month in a much smaller/poorer city, so I can believe it. Do you know anything about how they got their gig? I get the impression the best thing is to fly down their and look around, since Colombia is a bit behind with the internet sometimes.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

They secured jobs before arriving. It seemed to be fairly easy for them. From what I gathered Medellin is a good spot for pay and cost of living.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

Dantes they were earning $1,500 USD a month with no experience at a job they secured before coming?

I am going to say that sounds untrue. Jobs you secure before coming are usually only available with real credentials and experience, at an international High School or University.

Based on my experience that sounds like a straight up lie. Of course, these people may have hit the jackpot. If you ever get a chance to speak with them, get some details about it.

Here you can read a story about a certified teacher from the U.S. who found a job at a bilingual school paying 2million COP a month, or 1,100USD. He had realy teaching experience.
http://medellinliving.com/teaching-english-in-medellin/

I knew a guy who did not have an education degree but after 3 years living in Colombia was able to work at a school paying 4 million COP a month, but that was after working lots of other not as good jobs building his resume.
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ASOT I lived in La Candelaria renting rooms. 400mil a month for places of varying quality.
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

I had to clarify their story with my Friend who was there when they were explaining. One girl had experience in Asia prior and she is the one who reported a salary of 1500. There was a guy who had no experience but did secure a job before he arrived. He didn't say how much he was making, only the girl did.

These aren't my friends just a few people I met in Medellin. I asked them a few questions because I have a friend in the
us who is intersted in teaching in Colombia.

English teaching is not my career. I'm sure you can judge their story better than I.
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Quote: (08-14-2014 01:45 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

As an adult though, I left there with little in the way of skills or real world experiences.

Give yourself some more credit. You are now fluent in Spanish and are now, I presume, back in the U.S. That's huge.

Being fluent in Spanish has helped my career more than any other thing. Not every field requires Spanish, but... come on man. You're now above the field in that regard from just a year of living in Colombia.

Also, you taught for a year. Most people are absolute shit at explaining things. You've now got a leg up over them as well. When you are in positions of leadership and have to explain yourself and why your ideas are solid, you will easily be able to do that as well, and your underlings will admire you. Trust me.
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Yeti, thats a nice way to look at it, thanks.

I look at other friends who interned at companies and then got high paying jobs, and wonder if I wasted my time. But I really loved my time there and wouldnt trade it for the world.

I just worry that it amounted to short term enjoyment over long term investment in myself.
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Quote: (08-14-2014 02:16 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Quote: (08-14-2014 02:12 AM)buja Wrote:  

Excellent write up.

What's the word on the street about Bogota Business English?

I don't know anything about that place, where did you hear about it?


I read about it somewhere. International Living I think.
Last time I was in Bogota, I talked with the director of Bogota Business English on the phone but didn't have a chance to meet him in person.

bogotabusinessenglish.com
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Look at it this way Sonsowey. What did you take away from this trip? If you say you wouldn't change anything, your self-guilt justification trip is just your subconscious inflecting through societal eyes. If you enjoyed yourself, the only hang ups will be impartial's, "people must think..."

A few things are certain about your adventure:

- You learned about yourself, how to handle new situations and live within a foreign culture
-You survived on your own, presumably without family (most people tackle this with great difficulty)
- You learned Spanish... an obvious win. Girls see you as more traveled and Latinas will be more receptive in your home country
- You HELPED other people. Not very many people are willing to go to these places and teach their people English. You did a service and despite the sub-par work conditions did make some sort of difference.

Don't look at it through the subjective eyes of society and ask "Was this productive?", ask yourself what you want to do productively. If this journey was a tool to help develop your inner-self and learn more about what you want out of life, there is no way that your trip squandered any of your time. Our lives are so limited we cannot feel guilt about enjoying ourselves.

The only things we can do in our lives are: Improve our level of comfort and happiness, improve the level of comfort and happiness with those around us. Everything after these these are secondary. Plan to do big things in life but don't kick yourself for enjoying the little pleasures!
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Quote: (08-15-2014 12:47 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Yeti, thats a nice way to look at it, thanks.

I look at other friends who interned at companies and then got high paying jobs, and wonder if I wasted my time. But I really loved my time there and wouldnt trade it for the world.

I just worry that it amounted to short term enjoyment over long term investment in myself.

Experiences such as the on you had in Colombia are far more important that material things or a higher paying job. Especially having that kind of experience at a younger age instead of busting ass at some high paying job till your 40 then going off to see the world.

When you are older and looking back on your life you will look back on your travels and smile. You will look back at your time spent at that high paying job and frown.

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Great info!

Can you elaborate on your progression of learning Spanish? Like how far along were you after 3mo/6mo etc..

Was it just the result of complete environmental immersion? Did you take formal classes before leaving the US/after you arrived in COL? Did you have a background in Spanish from HS/College?

Thanks OP
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Teaching English in Bogota, Colombia

A rough outline of learning Spanish.

During college I had taken Spanish courses and studied abroad for a semester immersed in Spanish. Abroad I took Spanish grammar courses and the like. I spent an incredible amount of time listening to Spanish kusic, reading Spanish news websites, translating them, and studying on the http://www.wordreference.com forums

I took every opportunity in the U.S. to practice speaking with people and continued reading and studying independently.

By the time I got to Colombia, I spoke Spanish with a heavy gringo accent, to the point that people would just speak to me in English even when I was trying to speak Spanish. I could communicate myself but there were many situations where I did not really understand what was going on.

In Colombia I made lots of Spanish speaking friends, though I did of course also have English speaking friends. Probably half of my social life was in Spanish, half in English.

I had already gotten a formal education on Spanish grammar and the like during University, and I did not take formal classes in Colombia, although that may have helped me. Most of what I learned was through social immersion and self study.

Now when I speak Spanish, people no longer know I am a gringo, and begin to assume that I am Latino. My Spanish is not Perfect at all, I make errors in grammar and also do not know lots of colloquial things. But I am confident enough to do anything in Spanish that I would do in English in my day to day life.

One thing is, I never focused on studying literature much. I am literate in Spanish, but the language of literature is quite distinct from colloquial Spanish. As such, reading literature is a huge expenditure of energy because I never put in the effort to lern the higher register literary Spanish.
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I'll be going to bogota next month for 8 days. I know a lot of Spanish but no where near fluent. I was thinking about taking a mon-fri spansih class while I'm there. would that be just a waste of time or something worth considering.

I have no plans for what Ill be doing for the 8 days. basically looking to meet some chicks and go out partying.

also, if I do decide to take a class, should I sign up here while I'm in the states? or wait till I get there and try to join 1?
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Quote: (08-15-2014 01:49 AM)TravellingSoldier Wrote:  

Look at it this way Sonsowey. What did you take away from this trip? If you say you wouldn't change anything, your self-guilt justification trip is just your subconscious inflecting through societal eyes. If you enjoyed yourself, the only hang ups will be impartial's, "people must think..."

A few things are certain about your adventure:

- You learned about yourself, how to handle new situations and live within a foreign culture
-You survived on your own, presumably without family (most people tackle this with great difficulty)
- You learned Spanish... an obvious win. Girls see you as more traveled and Latinas will be more receptive in your home country
- You HELPED other people. Not very many people are willing to go to these places and teach their people English. You did a service and despite the sub-par work conditions did make some sort of difference.

Don't look at it through the subjective eyes of society and ask "Was this productive?", ask yourself what you want to do productively. If this journey was a tool to help develop your inner-self and learn more about what you want out of life, there is no way that your trip squandered any of your time. Our lives are so limited we cannot feel guilt about enjoying ourselves.

The only things we can do in our lives are: Improve our level of comfort and happiness, improve the level of comfort and happiness with those around us. Everything after these these are secondary. Plan to do big things in life but don't kick yourself for enjoying the little pleasures!

That's a great re-frame, well said!
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