I think a map of 'wife material' countries would be handy. Of course not every woman in the country is wife material, but say somewhere where over 20 or 30% of them are.
Cock Carousel Map
A good idea for this is to make an interactive map where RVF members with experience in these places can mark it properly.
I agree with the other posters in this thread that this map is not only inaccurate, but way too simplistic. For example, you put China in the carousel riders category. Sure, there may be some carousel riding sluts in the large cities like Shanghai, but for the most part, Chinese women are not like that.
I think this needs perhaps some sort of "gradient" to show the extent of the carousel riding factor in a certain country, and different cities within a particular country will have different levels.
I think this needs perhaps some sort of "gradient" to show the extent of the carousel riding factor in a certain country, and different cities within a particular country will have different levels.
How is the North Pole looking? Do the elves put out or are they more in the Mrs. Claus mold? South Pole?
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I can vouch for Japanese girls. They are not career oriented in the least, but they do indeed ride the cock carousel like crazy. Cheating on your man with a foreign dude is the female national pastime.
The obvious way to make a 'simple' map would be to just map where American/Western/Anglo influence is the most prevalent. Even just doing that would of been 100 times better then this hodgepodge of MS Paint.
Quote: (08-07-2014 05:05 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:
By cock carousel I don't mean the two-guys-per-month American style carousel, but I am trying to sum up those countries where women are not truly opposed to sexual flings, in the sense that they can separate sex and love. From there on it is a scale of degree. In the US it is 100% sexual. In Western Europe 90% sexual. EU parts of Eastern Europe a bit less, and so on. But what I mean is that, for example, a girl in Poland can go to a club because she is horny just to get laid (or variations, such as sex through social circle in Argentina), and this happens with many of them, whereas in the red countries the majority of girls wouldn't dream of doing that as sex is inextricably tied to love.
Oh come on! This trolling is not obvious enough?
I second the idea of an interactive map. We could include a faithful/slut index, wife-material scale, ranking proportionality (6s, 7s, 8s, etc...). It could be quite the useful project.
Quote: (08-10-2014 07:16 PM)Brian Boru Wrote:
I second the idea of an interactive map. We could include a faithful/slut index, wife-material scale, ranking proportionality (6s, 7s, 8s, etc...). It could be quite the useful project.
I concur, but we need someone with the technological no how to set it up.
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Any tech guys out there willing to take this up?
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I've been planning my South-East Asian trip for some time
Upon discovering that Laos girls are non-carousel riders compared to their cock-hopping Cambodian counterparts, I think I'll be changing up the itinerary!
Upon discovering that Laos girls are non-carousel riders compared to their cock-hopping Cambodian counterparts, I think I'll be changing up the itinerary!
You put Mexico and the Philippines in the carousel riding countries?
Divorce is still basically ILLEGAL in the Philippines, which tells you a lot about how much Filipinos value marriage, in comparison to America, for example. While we as "rich," handsome, worldy foreigners may have astronomical success there, your typical Filipino guy has to work pretty hard to get with a Filipina girl. And while you can find all kinds of girls in the Philippines, the majority is definitely looking for a provider-type husband or long term relationship.
In Mexico, you can still get threatened with a bullet if you take a girl's virginity and don't marry her, especially if the girl's pregnant.
Mexican and Filipino girls are more focused on their careers than men? Times are changing, but these two countries are definitely still not in the same league as America in that respect...no way.
That's cool that you took the time to make the map, but you're WAY off base!
Divorce is still basically ILLEGAL in the Philippines, which tells you a lot about how much Filipinos value marriage, in comparison to America, for example. While we as "rich," handsome, worldy foreigners may have astronomical success there, your typical Filipino guy has to work pretty hard to get with a Filipina girl. And while you can find all kinds of girls in the Philippines, the majority is definitely looking for a provider-type husband or long term relationship.
In Mexico, you can still get threatened with a bullet if you take a girl's virginity and don't marry her, especially if the girl's pregnant.
Mexican and Filipino girls are more focused on their careers than men? Times are changing, but these two countries are definitely still not in the same league as America in that respect...no way.
That's cool that you took the time to make the map, but you're WAY off base!
Also, I don't think there's even a carousel in Nepal...
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As usual, pinko IKE says "It's more class-based than country-based." "Super Elite" TV anchor in Phils more carousel prone than small-town sweet Minnesotan.
Quote: (08-11-2014 02:50 AM)germanico Wrote:
Quote: (08-10-2014 10:54 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
In Mexico, you can still get threatened with a bullet if you take a girl's virginity and don't marry her, especially if the girl's pregnant.
I'm not even kidding, man.
Maybe you're from the urban part of Mexico where that stuff doesn't happen anymore, but in the smaller towns, this stuff is still serious business.
One of my cousins is Mexican, and it's the only reason he's married. He didn't want to end up beaten to a pulp or with his brains splattered on the floor, and it was made clear it was that or marriage.
And the girl wasn't even pregnant, she just lied about it to her family to get my cousin to commit, knowing how things would play out.
The girl's family wasn't one to take the perceived insult to their honor lying down.
Among certain, more old school social classes, this stuff is still serious business down there.
In the big cities, it's much closer to the American norm, but in some of the smaller towns, it's a very different story.
Quote: (08-11-2014 03:11 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:
As usual, pinko IKE says "It's more class-based than country-based." "Super Elite" TV anchor in Phils more carousel prone than small-town sweet Minnesotan.
Of course, but the thread is regarding a map which tries to give a country as a whole a rating, so that's besides the point.
You're right though, there's variance in every country.
I will try to explain using a quote from Roosh. This is from the following post: http://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-mo...dern-woman
"One of the questions I used to ask was “Do you need a man?” Out of the dozens of times I asked it, not a single girl answered yes. [...] I started asking a different question to women: “Do you want a man?” I began receiving “I don’t know” answers. [...] Only in a few instances did a woman outright say yes, and these usually happened in Ukraine. It’s no surprise that I eased into mini-relationships with these yes girls without the standard flaking or game-playing you would normally receive from girls who see men as milk instead of water. The girls who said yes weren’t exactly hurting for food or shelter, and they didn’t try to reach into my pockets for resources, but through their attitude and demeanor it was clear that they did want a man in their life who could provide it with a measure of happiness that could not be gained from their environment or government. [...] From a young age, girls are brainwashed to believe that they don’t need men and that the key to their happiness is self-empowerment by sleeping around and becoming a corporate wage slave. [...] This is why even lesser alpha males fail to enter relationships with women beyond a few bangs."
"Do you want a man?" is a good question. I can attest to the fact that the predominant answer to this question in the West is a resounding no. I used to think women were not serious when they said this, and did not understand that this widespread mentality would have real-world implications. It is an example of an R-selected society. We see R/K selection as male strategies, but we rarely see them as female strategies, which are even more important. In this sense, a man looking for love in America may be disillusioned, as will a man looking for casual [free] sex in Belarus. Here are some of the reasons that have been mentioned up for this (remember this applies only to young girls who are under 28-30):
1. There is a cultural shift where men (at least alpha men) stop wanting relationships. Women get pumped and dumped, they get hurt, and protect themselves emotionally by rejecting the idea of love and of a relationship altogether. You hear Russian girls speak of love as if it were the most important thing in the world, an American girl would laugh at you for believing such a thing even exists. Female sexualization is a form of ego-protection. If you realize you cannot secure the commitment of the other sex, you may go "fuck it" and use them all for sex, pumping and dumping your way through hordes of women, perhaps even unknowingly discarding some who would have commited.
2. Women do not take experience well. A breakup from her teen years can destroy her to the point where she renounces the idea of emotional connection altogether. If you mix this with feminist ideology, which encourages women to be free of men and enjoy their sexuality, they degenerate into their purely sexual state, operating pretty much like men.
3. Heavy workload from college or career (often both at once), which serves as another hamsterization not to get into a relationship and enjoy casual sex.
4. Delaying of marriage until age 28-30. A 22 year old girl may meet the perfect man, and yet still not marry because her time, established by society, has yet not come. You'd be suprised how many Western women equate commitment with family and marriage (more so the more Western the culture).
5. Logical reasons: The boyfriend is the public man, the man who is introduced to family, friends... He must meet a certain profile, which is usually the responsible beta profile. There in an incongruence here in that she isn't attracted to this profile, serving as yet another reason not to get into a relationship.
This encompasses the R-selected female MINDSET. A girl with this mindset hasn't necessarily slept with a lot of men, but under the right circumstances she would (lives alone, frequents clubs, access to online dating). These circumstances are being met at higher levels than ever before across many of the blue countries, meaning the percentages of girls who act on their mindset is rising, and is higher the more Western the country. Therefore, there are three types of young girls you will meet from cold approach:
1. Long-term single: She still has sex with men, some of whom want to be her boyfriend, but she doesn't want a boyfriend. In Anglo countries this is probably 50+% of women. The percentage is higher the more Westernized the culture.
2. Girls with boyfriends: If the girl is pressured by her family, and sometimes if she is lonely, she will make the logical decision to get into a relationship with a man who fits the right profile as mentioned above (usually beta, long-term-boyfriends are very rarely alpha males). Since it is a logical decision, almost never an emotional one, there is no attraction, which is why it is usually so easy to get these girls to cheat, barring cultural inhibitions (which are less and less the more Western the culture).
3. Girls looking for a boyfriend whose desired profile you don't fit: These will be the grand minority of girls. As an R-selected player and a foreigner, you will rarely fit the profile. Also, the cold approach itself puts you at a disadvantage here, as usually Western girls will form these relationships through social circle. A player will always do more damage to a girl's reputation, especially if he is foreign and cold-approached, than a beta male who already knows everybody. The cold-approach makes you her indiscretion, she classifies you from the beginning as the lover, the indiscretion, and essentially most girls in these cultures will not frame you as a boyfriend.
For this reason, an R-selected strategy is the only one that works. You cannot frame yourself as the boyfriend unless you meet her through social circle and are extremely lucky. K-selection simply doesn't work, which is why we don't use it. With R-selection you get girls with boyfriends, you get the long-term singles who don't want boyfriends, and you get the girls who are looking but classify you as a lover. If you frame yourself as a boyfriend you lose the girl before even getting the bang.
And yet, the problem with R-selection is that affairs end as fast as they begin. The reason for this is not that you took her to bed fast, or buyer's remorse, it is the mentality of the girl you are dealing with. If the girl doesn't want a boyfriend, she will stay with you (assuming you didn't label anything) as long as her FEELS tell her to. The moment the movie gets a bit bland (and nobody can keep it going forever) she will bail. For this reason Roosh speaks of lesser alphas being unable to secure the commitment of young Western girls. Even in Romania, which I gamed in personally and can attest to, she didn't keep most girls past a few bangs, and lost many after just one. Surely some were his choice, but some were not.
Therefore the only way to get into a relationship with a young Western girl is by either meeting her through her social circle and getting lucky, or making her fall in love with. The second is a feasable strategy, but you must have very tight game (remember you will be dealing with high-count women) and it will happen less that 20-30% of the time. It can be done, but with a ridiculously low ROI. I remember one time, in Poland of all places, a girl told me on the first date she didn't want a relationship (I lost 5 girls until I finally figured out it was an R-selected society, not K as I thought at first). We got into an open relationship, and after about 2 months she fell in love with me and demanded commitment.
With regards to the map, there is of course some guesswork, but from personal experience I can guarantee these places: Poland, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, Spain (and by extension Argentina). I assume everyone agrees on Western Europe and the Anglosphere. A good rule of thumb is that the more Westernized the culture (look at how women dress on the streets, what their general beliefs are...), the more R-selected it will be. Needless to say not every country is the same, ASD also plays a role. In Hungary, for example, you will have to overcome resistance to get the bang, but the mindset is in your favour and she has probably had one-night-stands before. In America, an extreme version of R-selection, ASD is minimal and you can often bang with virtually no LMR (though this is often the case in Eastern Europe and South America aswell).
My solution to this is what many men, I believe, have done without realizing. I focus solely on the sexual aspect of relationships with R-selected girls. If I want to feel affection or tenderness in a relationship with a girl, if I am at a point in my life where I want that, I find a way of travelling to the red countries (in my case, Russia) to get it.
"One of the questions I used to ask was “Do you need a man?” Out of the dozens of times I asked it, not a single girl answered yes. [...] I started asking a different question to women: “Do you want a man?” I began receiving “I don’t know” answers. [...] Only in a few instances did a woman outright say yes, and these usually happened in Ukraine. It’s no surprise that I eased into mini-relationships with these yes girls without the standard flaking or game-playing you would normally receive from girls who see men as milk instead of water. The girls who said yes weren’t exactly hurting for food or shelter, and they didn’t try to reach into my pockets for resources, but through their attitude and demeanor it was clear that they did want a man in their life who could provide it with a measure of happiness that could not be gained from their environment or government. [...] From a young age, girls are brainwashed to believe that they don’t need men and that the key to their happiness is self-empowerment by sleeping around and becoming a corporate wage slave. [...] This is why even lesser alpha males fail to enter relationships with women beyond a few bangs."
"Do you want a man?" is a good question. I can attest to the fact that the predominant answer to this question in the West is a resounding no. I used to think women were not serious when they said this, and did not understand that this widespread mentality would have real-world implications. It is an example of an R-selected society. We see R/K selection as male strategies, but we rarely see them as female strategies, which are even more important. In this sense, a man looking for love in America may be disillusioned, as will a man looking for casual [free] sex in Belarus. Here are some of the reasons that have been mentioned up for this (remember this applies only to young girls who are under 28-30):
1. There is a cultural shift where men (at least alpha men) stop wanting relationships. Women get pumped and dumped, they get hurt, and protect themselves emotionally by rejecting the idea of love and of a relationship altogether. You hear Russian girls speak of love as if it were the most important thing in the world, an American girl would laugh at you for believing such a thing even exists. Female sexualization is a form of ego-protection. If you realize you cannot secure the commitment of the other sex, you may go "fuck it" and use them all for sex, pumping and dumping your way through hordes of women, perhaps even unknowingly discarding some who would have commited.
2. Women do not take experience well. A breakup from her teen years can destroy her to the point where she renounces the idea of emotional connection altogether. If you mix this with feminist ideology, which encourages women to be free of men and enjoy their sexuality, they degenerate into their purely sexual state, operating pretty much like men.
3. Heavy workload from college or career (often both at once), which serves as another hamsterization not to get into a relationship and enjoy casual sex.
4. Delaying of marriage until age 28-30. A 22 year old girl may meet the perfect man, and yet still not marry because her time, established by society, has yet not come. You'd be suprised how many Western women equate commitment with family and marriage (more so the more Western the culture).
5. Logical reasons: The boyfriend is the public man, the man who is introduced to family, friends... He must meet a certain profile, which is usually the responsible beta profile. There in an incongruence here in that she isn't attracted to this profile, serving as yet another reason not to get into a relationship.
This encompasses the R-selected female MINDSET. A girl with this mindset hasn't necessarily slept with a lot of men, but under the right circumstances she would (lives alone, frequents clubs, access to online dating). These circumstances are being met at higher levels than ever before across many of the blue countries, meaning the percentages of girls who act on their mindset is rising, and is higher the more Western the country. Therefore, there are three types of young girls you will meet from cold approach:
1. Long-term single: She still has sex with men, some of whom want to be her boyfriend, but she doesn't want a boyfriend. In Anglo countries this is probably 50+% of women. The percentage is higher the more Westernized the culture.
2. Girls with boyfriends: If the girl is pressured by her family, and sometimes if she is lonely, she will make the logical decision to get into a relationship with a man who fits the right profile as mentioned above (usually beta, long-term-boyfriends are very rarely alpha males). Since it is a logical decision, almost never an emotional one, there is no attraction, which is why it is usually so easy to get these girls to cheat, barring cultural inhibitions (which are less and less the more Western the culture).
3. Girls looking for a boyfriend whose desired profile you don't fit: These will be the grand minority of girls. As an R-selected player and a foreigner, you will rarely fit the profile. Also, the cold approach itself puts you at a disadvantage here, as usually Western girls will form these relationships through social circle. A player will always do more damage to a girl's reputation, especially if he is foreign and cold-approached, than a beta male who already knows everybody. The cold-approach makes you her indiscretion, she classifies you from the beginning as the lover, the indiscretion, and essentially most girls in these cultures will not frame you as a boyfriend.
For this reason, an R-selected strategy is the only one that works. You cannot frame yourself as the boyfriend unless you meet her through social circle and are extremely lucky. K-selection simply doesn't work, which is why we don't use it. With R-selection you get girls with boyfriends, you get the long-term singles who don't want boyfriends, and you get the girls who are looking but classify you as a lover. If you frame yourself as a boyfriend you lose the girl before even getting the bang.
And yet, the problem with R-selection is that affairs end as fast as they begin. The reason for this is not that you took her to bed fast, or buyer's remorse, it is the mentality of the girl you are dealing with. If the girl doesn't want a boyfriend, she will stay with you (assuming you didn't label anything) as long as her FEELS tell her to. The moment the movie gets a bit bland (and nobody can keep it going forever) she will bail. For this reason Roosh speaks of lesser alphas being unable to secure the commitment of young Western girls. Even in Romania, which I gamed in personally and can attest to, she didn't keep most girls past a few bangs, and lost many after just one. Surely some were his choice, but some were not.
Therefore the only way to get into a relationship with a young Western girl is by either meeting her through her social circle and getting lucky, or making her fall in love with. The second is a feasable strategy, but you must have very tight game (remember you will be dealing with high-count women) and it will happen less that 20-30% of the time. It can be done, but with a ridiculously low ROI. I remember one time, in Poland of all places, a girl told me on the first date she didn't want a relationship (I lost 5 girls until I finally figured out it was an R-selected society, not K as I thought at first). We got into an open relationship, and after about 2 months she fell in love with me and demanded commitment.
With regards to the map, there is of course some guesswork, but from personal experience I can guarantee these places: Poland, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, Spain (and by extension Argentina). I assume everyone agrees on Western Europe and the Anglosphere. A good rule of thumb is that the more Westernized the culture (look at how women dress on the streets, what their general beliefs are...), the more R-selected it will be. Needless to say not every country is the same, ASD also plays a role. In Hungary, for example, you will have to overcome resistance to get the bang, but the mindset is in your favour and she has probably had one-night-stands before. In America, an extreme version of R-selection, ASD is minimal and you can often bang with virtually no LMR (though this is often the case in Eastern Europe and South America aswell).
My solution to this is what many men, I believe, have done without realizing. I focus solely on the sexual aspect of relationships with R-selected girls. If I want to feel affection or tenderness in a relationship with a girl, if I am at a point in my life where I want that, I find a way of travelling to the red countries (in my case, Russia) to get it.
If you know for sure post some damned datasheets. I haven't been out clubbing in the countries I've visited as I've visited family and mainly did sightseeing before joining this forum, but if you have that experience provide us with some solid data on each place. We aren't going to simply take your word after you made a map based on guesswork.
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Could you possibly do a one-sentence summary of your last post? You may have some good thoughts in there, but I don't really feel like reading through it.
Could you possibly do a one-sentence summary of your last post? You may have some good thoughts in there, but I don't really feel like reading through it.
Quote: (08-11-2014 12:36 PM)OnlyMarryInTajikistan Wrote:
With regards to the map, there is of course some guesswork, but from personal experience I can guarantee these places: Poland, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia, Ukraine, Brazil, Spain (and by extension Argentina).
Why is Argentina an extension of Spain? They're not even on the same continent.
Brazil didn't even have the same culture as it's neighbors to begin with and it's accelerated Westernization compared to the rest of Latin and South America has been discussed at length on the forum.
I also notice that you don't include a single country in Africa or East or South Asia.
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My solution to this is what many men, I believe, have done without realizing. I focus solely on the sexual aspect of relationships with R-selected girls. If I want to feel affection or tenderness in a relationship with a girl, if I am at a point in my life where I want that, I find a way of travelling to the red countries (in my case, Russia) to get it.
Dude, come on. Asian girls aren't affectionate and tender?
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