[theoogabear]

Any Zen Buddhists here? I'm kind of surprised this isn't the ideology of choice for most red-pill takers.

[strengthstudent]

I am a mixer of zen, stoicsm and daoism. I recommend studying them all. Tao Te Ching is a great damn book(have read it over 10 times) and will teach you nothing of everything. Stoicsm is more of a practical guide to good living and ethics. Zen allows you to enjoy THE moment and go beyond the limits of your cognitive prison.

There is not much, or rather anything, to study in zen. It is a practice. I have however read tons of zen koans and got the "AHA!" moment with maybe with third of them. They are great fun and insightful. You should get them with a similar intuition you experience when you get a good joke. It just hits you and the result is amazement and laughter. You can google zen koans but you can also listen the introduction to them by listening Alan Watts:

[Giovonny]

I am a student "Zen Buddhism".

However, I do not believe in the "red pill".

They are 2 completely different things in my mind.

[theoogabear]

(07-27-2014 12:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am a student "Zen Buddhism".

However, I do not believe in the "red pill".

They are 2 completely different things in my mind.

elaborate?

i practice Zen doing two zazen sessions a day, and i just feel like that's one path to look into reality. i feel like people who swallow the "red-pill" (speaking figuratively for those who want to know reality) would practice Zen.

[Bill]

(07-27-2014 11:51 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 12:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am a student "Zen Buddhism".

However, I do not believe in the "red pill".

They are 2 completely different things in my mind.

elaborate?

i practice Zen doing two zazen sessions a day, and i just feel like that's one path to look into reality. i feel like people who swallow the "red-pill" (speaking figuratively for those who want to know reality) would practice Zen.

There is no reality in the philosophical sense. That´s the most red pill one can get. Every religion and ideology follower thinks he is red pill. Truth is another illusion though a quite interesting one.

[strengthstudent]

(07-28-2014 01:56 AM)Bill Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 11:51 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 12:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am a student "Zen Buddhism".

However, I do not believe in the "red pill".

They are 2 completely different things in my mind.

elaborate?

i practice Zen doing two zazen sessions a day, and i just feel like that's one path to look into reality. i feel like people who swallow the "red-pill" (speaking figuratively for those who want to know reality) would practice Zen.

There is no reality in the philosophical sense. That´s the most red pill one can get. Every religion and ideology follower thinks he is red pill. Truth is another illusion though a quite interesting one.

I have gone very deep into zen, meditation and contemplation during the past year. I have had several crazy insights. I haven't read anything related to this subject except zen koans which do not tell really anything, everything has come from experience. I wrote these several "intelligence tests of life" from the easiest to the hardest half a year ago:

1. Religion
- Can you see how many religions are out there? And how determined they are by the regions?

2. Culture
- Go travel and figure it out...

3. Self - Other.
- The student says, “Master, please hand me the knife,” and so the master hands it to him blade first. “Please give me the other end,” the student says. “And what would you do with the other end?” replies the master.

4. Reality.
- We are all one.


Let me tell you something. It was only a normal night and was about to go to a sleep. I was laying on my bed and my mind was going through the concepts of time, space and reality... when it suddenly hit me and hit me HARD. I was literally crying but didn't know why: was it sadness or joy? Either I guess. I have realized that time and space are just inside our head. Inside a head which is outside in an external world except all that external world is happening inside the head which is outside but inside. It was thought it was a great accomplishment of Immanuel Kant due to lack of technology and without the idea of Einstein's relativity that the time/space are just illusions inside our head -- how ridiculous when it is mentioned in Tao Te Ching over 25 centuries ago.

I have been a programmer for 10 years and created multiple games. With enough skills and technology I could create this "game" we are in. There would be no distance, no time, just pure code where then several objects would have variables which would give them certain qualities and capabilities. There is no time or space in a video game but a 3D environment can be built from the code. We are basically just 1 which is expanded to everything.

I believe mathematics is the building block of MIND but not the actual reality. That's why when you go beyond your mind, there is nothing but "void" left which they call in zen. Nothingness and emptiness. Satori(a glimpse of awakening) is funny because sometimes you experience EVERYTHING but sometimes you experience absolute NOTHING. It is not void because there is nothing but because the mind has no grasp of it. It is like if you were a programmer, you could create a game with C++ but then inside the game create an additional language which could be vastly similar to the original language but different enough that the languages would be incompatible with each other. What I am basically saying that the actual reality could be constructed with something which constructs the mathematics which then constructs our consciousness.

Just something I think about.

[game_ethic]

(07-28-2014 03:21 AM)strengthstudent Wrote:  

I have gone very deep into zen, meditation and contemplation during the past year. I have had several crazy insights. I haven't read anything related to this subject except zen koans which do not tell really anything, everything has come from experience. I wrote these several "intelligence tests of life" from the easiest to the hardest half a year ago:

1. Religion
- Can you see how many religions are out there? And how determined they are by the regions?

2. Culture
- Go travel and figure it out...

3. Self - Other.
- The student says, “Master, please hand me the knife,” and so the master hands it to him blade first. “Please give me the other end,” the student says. “And what would you do with the other end?” replies the master.

4. Reality.
- We are all one.


Let me tell you something. It was only a normal night and was about to go to a sleep. I was laying on my bed and my mind was going through the concepts of time, space and reality... when it suddenly hit me and hit me HARD. I was literally crying but didn't know why: was it sadness or joy? Either I guess. I have realized that time and space are just inside our head. Inside a head which is outside in an external world except all that external world is happening inside the head which is outside but inside. It was thought it was a great accomplishment of Immanuel Kant due to lack of technology and without the idea of Einstein's relativity that the time/space are just illusions inside our head -- how ridiculous when it is mentioned in Tao Te Ching over 25 centuries ago.

I have been a programmer for 10 years and created multiple games. With enough skills and technology I could create this "game" we are in. There would be no distance, no time, just pure code where then several objects would have variables which would give them certain qualities and capabilities. There is no time or space in a video game but a 3D environment can be built from the code. We are basically just 1 which is expanded to everything.

I believe mathematics is the building block of MIND but not the actual reality. That's why when you go beyond your mind, there is nothing but "void" left which they call in zen. Nothingness and emptiness. Satori(a glimpse of awakening) is funny because sometimes you experience EVERYTHING but sometimes you experience absolute NOTHING. It is not void because there is nothing but because the mind has no grasp of it. It is like if you were a programmer, you could create a game with C++ but then inside the game create an additional language which could be vastly similar to the original language but different enough that the languages would be incompatible with each other. What I am basically saying that the actual reality could be constructed with something which constructs the mathematics which then constructs our consciousness.

Just something I think about.

[Giovonny]

(07-27-2014 11:51 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 12:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am a student "Zen Buddhism".

However, I do not believe in the "red pill".

They are 2 completely different things in my mind.

elaborate?

This is just my opinion but..

"Zen Buddhism" is an approach and practice to thought control.

The "red pill" is just another thought.

A "thought" is nothing compared to a practice of thought control.

The "red pill" may or may not bring you closer to "the truth".

"Zen Buddhism" can take you beyond "truth".

[Steve9]

Two excellent books for newcomers to Zen are :

Everyday Zen and Nothing Special

by Charlotte Joko Beck, who received her Dharma transmission from Taizan Maezumi Roshi.

[theoogabear]

I'd seriously recommend any book by Brad Warner. Especially his Hardcore Zen.

[Benoit]

(07-28-2014 08:53 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

I'd seriously recommend any book by Brad Warner. Especially his Hardcore Zen.

He's probably the most grounded Zen writer there is.

Reading Hardcore Zen years ago really brought it home to me that you can follow Zen without needing to believe in anything mystical.

My favourite lesson was the discussion on how you become a Zen Master - print up business cards and tell people you are one. Advice to live your life by.

[Arado]

(07-28-2014 04:40 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 11:51 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 12:06 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am a student "Zen Buddhism".

However, I do not believe in the "red pill".

They are 2 completely different things in my mind.

elaborate?

This is just my opinion but..

"Zen Buddhism" is an approach and practice to thought control.

The "red pill" is just another thought.

A "thought" is nothing compared to a practice of thought control.

The "red pill" may or may not bring you closer to "the truth".

"Zen Buddhism" can take you beyond "truth".

Isn't Zen Buddhism also about freeing yourself from the burdens and obligations and social pressures of the world? Perhaps red pill is the first step, seeing how reality vs. mainstream ideology are different, and then Zen Buddhism will take one to a higher state of awareness regarding the malleability of reality as a whole.

The fascinating thing would be to see if there are any hardcore feminists that also claim they are Zen Buddhists, then confront them with red pill ideas and see if they get angry.

[Mage]

(07-26-2014 08:53 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

Any Zen Buddhists here? I'm kind of surprised this isn't the ideology of choice for most red-pill takers.

I am kinda surprised Kaballah is not the ideology of choice for every red piller.

[strengthstudent]

Red pill philosophy is still affected by the subjective perception, lack of information, ever-changing present conditions etc., it is still just an interpretation of reality like every conclusion we come out with our reason. I think red pill presents the reality a lot, although imperfectly but that's the best we got by far, and it feels clear to me that it is thousands of times more precise interpretation of reality than the mainstream blue pill knowledge.

Zen is connecting with the infinite intelligence, with the present moment so that the connection with the reality is no longer just interpretation concluded by our intelligent, but a precise straight connection with the reality through our instincts and senses without any filter between the objective reality and the subjective interpreter. Without objective and subjective the only thing left is just the pure reality. Several very intelligent men have understood this, in fact I recall Nietszche writing that the instincts are always more intelligent than our reason, because the instincts are a pure reflection of reality, while the reason is only an interpretation of the reality.


This is a zen koan I have been meditating on lately:

Kyogen said, “It (Zen) is like a man (monk) hanging by his teeth in a tree over a precipice. His hands grasp no branch, his feet rest on no limb, and under the tree another man asks him, ‘Why did Bodhidharma come to China from the West (India)?’ If the man in the tree does not answer, he misses the question, and if he answers, he falls and loses his life. Now what shall he do?”


Maybe it hits you right away but do not tell how because it destroys our experience. I will thinking of this one the next time I am on psilocybin shrooms.

By the way, I love how Alan Watts described meditation as an important practice because then your mind has more energy to think of other things than just linear thoughts.

[trey]

Alan Watts' lectures on zen (and other lectures) changed my life. For those interested enough to check this thread, I definitely recommend hopping over to youtube and starting with Intro to Zen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NvMaeaODgY

[Shogun]

Book recommendation- Essays on Zen Buddhism by D.T. Suzuki.

[strengthstudent]

By the way, I have done it. I am awakened for real. There is no longer any doubt. The awakening might be a weird thing to hear, but when you are not needing any acceptance you can say it. I have no shame of oneself.

It all started 2 weeks ago and out of all sudden I created a blog and wrote a year worth of content in just 2 weeks by writing over 10+ hours a day. The site is at http://www.zendevil.com and http://www.zendevil.com/new-start , You can read my awakening there.

The content will be out of the ordinary, something insane. It is like the red pill on steroids, except there is no longer any illusion. I see everything now.

Shame of oneself is the fundamental problem: many here on manosphere have intellectualized that men > women, but they don't FEEL it, as a result they are still in the inferiority frame where they are constantly trying to prove themselves and to others that they are in fact superior. People are complaining about women, continuously looking for mainstream news and other people's thoughts to confirm their superiority.

But see, when you feel it - there is nothing to prove. You feel and know it. It is the weak who challenge the strong: many still feel inferiority compared to women why they continuously challenge the women and are trying to prove themselves that x > y.

By the way, weirdest of all things are happening. I am a natural with women now.

[Giovonny]

(08-27-2014 04:34 AM)strengthstudent Wrote:  

Shame of oneself is the fundamental problem: many here on manosphere have intellectualized that men > women, but they don't FEEL it, as a result they are still in the inferiority frame where they are constantly trying to prove themselves and to others that they are in fact superior. People are complaining about women, continuously looking for mainstream news and other people's thoughts to confirm their superiority.

But see, when you feel it - there is nothing to prove. You feel and know it. It is the weak who challenge the strong: many still feel inferiority compared to women why they continuously challenge the women and are trying to prove themselves that x > y.

By the way, weirdest of all things are happening. I am a natural with women now.

This is a beautiful post!

"The reason your girl is not submissive is because you ARE submissive" --"strengthstudent"

[AlreadyGone]

I've read a lot of Zen, Tao and Buddhist books and continually do so. It's enlightening, uplifting, and helps keep me on a more positive track.

[zombiejimmorrison]

(07-26-2014 08:53 PM)theoogabear Wrote:  

Any Zen Buddhists here? I'm kind of surprised this isn't the ideology of choice for most red-pill takers.

That's what I always think too. Stoicism, Buddhism and meditation do have a small niche here, which is a good thing. I have a feeling it will keep growing though because the anger and frustration that men feel from society, will eventually lead more men into this consciousness. The more you practice Buddhism the less interest you have in making lots of money, chasing women/laycounts, associating your self with anger and attacking people you see as enemies. There is a good starting point here in the manosphere but it can fall into the excess of what is being attacked. I hope most men on here can find peace from anger and not associate themselves with that energy.

My introduction to this philosophy and a really good beginners guide into Buddhism and meditation is Eckhart Tolle. He's mainstream appeal and easy to understand language was really mind opening. It deciphers the more complex narratives that exist in Buddhist teachings and allows you to enter the stronger texts and teachings with confidence.

[iknowexactly]

Alan Watts, who was one of the early popularizers of Zen in the West, has lectures which make it really easy to understand and fun for me.

I wanted to use an audio clip of Watts lecturing in a movie and contacted his son who I assumed was his executor. He was really nice, didn't demand any money, said to go ahead and use anything I wanted.

Buddhism was not really meant to be a religion, although the societal structures that have sprung up around it resemble religion, largely because people are afraid to think for themselves, and to think that ultimately they have to make their own decisions. Also the functionaries can make some money/status by holding themselves up as holders of privilege. Buddhism is for intellectual people who clearly differentiate what is actually present in the world and what is fantasy or hope or "faith."

Rather than the claimed transcendental knowledge of the "revealed" religions, Christianity, Islam-- "I am the way and the light" etc,
Buddha said something like "If what I say does not make sense to you, or if anyone says anything that doesn't make sense to you and match your experience, don't believe it." and "I am not the moon I am the finger pointing at the moon. "

As far as I know, Buddhism was the only major "religion" founded by an aristocrat.

Buddhism has a pretty low body count, although some people calling themselves Buddhist are accused of being complicit with Imperial Japan's cruelty in WW2.