[Lumiere]

Thats a lot of hate coming from a guy I have never even met.

A lot of racism too. Hmm.

Whatever dude. Your problem.

I don't have an entitlement attitude in rich contries poor countries or anywhere else. I am not interested in proving it to you though. You have already made up your own mind.

BTW : Don't know what 'lifestyle coach' you are referring to. I don't recall giving anyone your phone number either.

[hydrogonian]

@Fisto

I gotcha. I have no desire to get into it further. Its not a terribly big deal to me either. I was initially going to leave it with my first followup comment, but felt the need to clarify my position lest it be implied that I was throwing around the racist moniker.

As an aside, you do know that 'Haole', used in that aggressive way ('Haole faggot'), is a racial slur, right? That's like you hypothetically being Mexican, and not being offended at 'wetback' (what's the most offensive slur for a mexican? I have no idea). You can choose not to be offended, which is an admirable display of self-worth, but that doesn't remove the intention behind the slur and perhaps how the user of the slur thinks about you when he interacts with you.

I don't think that tribalism will ever die. If you meet people who can discard it and treat others like true family, despite race, then you've found a unique individual worthy of your continued time. But, again, when it comes down to it, that person is a rare find. Most people will revert to race distinctions when the screws are turned. I think as the world's population increases, and living gets more complicated and competitive, then you will see it increase rather than decrease.

And I didn't intend any of that to be fuel for Lumiere. I would tend to believe Kona, regardless of any of the recent minutia.

[Lumiere]

(03-13-2011 09:27 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

brought out by one visit by a bad guest.

Hydrogonian, I never actually met Kona and he has never met me.

[hydrogonian]

I'm confused then. I'll leave you guys to it.

[Lumiere]

(03-13-2011 10:10 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

I'm confused then. I'll leave you guys to it.

Thanks! Here we go :

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

you seem to think the girl who initially wanted cash, but was willing to settle for a pizza is some kind of deep philosophical stuff.

Amazing how you have an ability to read my mind and know what I think .... and get it completely wrong.

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

It isn't. You told a prostitute you weren't going to pay her. It's as simple as that.

Bingo! That was EXACTLY what was going through my mind when I said 'no'. That she was a prostitute and that I was not going to pay her. Funny how your version of what I was thinking was the opposite of what I was thinking and your version of 'the truth' was exactly what I WAS thinking.

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

In PI every single time a white guy hooks up with a local girl that girl is thinking she's going to get something material out of it. That's the way it is.

Wow! You accuse me of being disrespectful and then you say that an entire female population of an asian nation are all whores. Well done.

Yeah there is a lot of P4P there. You know it. I know it.

It's a 3rd world country after all. However, if you spend any time there and you are not a mug then you just filter those girls out. That's what I do. That's why I said no to the chick that insisted on me buying her a pizza as a condition of hooking up with me.

That's why my regular Filipina girls are regular normal girls. I treat them well. They treat me well. No packets of shampoo or soap go missing from my bathroom and no cash changes hands.

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

If you took the time (and had the respect) to learn the language

I know how to say 'putang ina mu' if that helps.

In all seriousness, Tagalog is not a useful language to know or travel with. If I lived the PI of course I would learn it but I don't and I have no plans to.

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

You would have heard the girl and her sister plotting out how they're going to squeeze $10 out of you one way or another.

Anybody who can read basic body language and the subsequent hints, when the converation goes back to English, to execute the really obvious attempt at the squeeze would pick this up. You don't need to speak tagalog when the genius attempts as such plays are as subtle and complex as 'sick relative' or 'baby needs food'. The idea that you need tagalog to pick this up is really retarded.

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Lumiere, you've been in the Philippines as much as you claim and you don't realize this?????????????

Yeah I do realise this. That's why I turn chicks down who offer to bang me for a pizza. Or did you really not understand that part?

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

And don't call or text strangers like you did me at 2:30 in the damn morning. I sleep with women (real women), and they get suspicious when the phone rings at those hours.

Let me get this straight. YOU weave jealousy and possessiveness into YOUR relationships with women. Then you let YOUR women bitch at you and you get worried about what they fuck THEY think if another DUDE calls you or texts you?

There is something veeeeeeeerrrrrry seriously wrong here and it ain't me calling at that time (which I don't believe I ever did) or texting at that time (which I might have done).

YOU need to get your women in line. If YOU can't do that then that is not my problem but you sure as hell don't come bitching to me about it. It's a problem of your own making.

I don't have that problem with any of my women but I guess that's because they are not 'real women'. Yeah. Ok dude.

(03-12-2011 06:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

That redhead is a boss in Waikiki. He moves more shit in a day then you'll ever make in your faggot life and you didn't realize at all how much you disrespected him.

I don't give a fuck who he is. Moving drugs does not earn my respect nor does it give anyone a right to act like an inconsiderate arsehole and stand next to me at the bar and wave his smoke in my face. You seem to have a warped sense of 'disrespect' and what is deserving of respect.

Anyway Kona, thanks for the rant. Your racism and anger are much appreciated. Thanks for calling me a 'faggot' too. Homophobia noted.

You have shown your true self.

[ManAbout]

How is a guy who gives in to his addictions, throws tantrums and gets fired from his $2.5 Million per episode an alpha? You think this is an act? He is imploding in front of our eyes.

Except for the last bit, he acts exactly like my 9 year old nephew.

[gringoed]

This thread has gone through many twists.

First, Charlie Sheen. Then, disputes on what is alpha. Then, ripping on Lumiere. Then, discussions about racism.

What's next???????????

[Roosh]

Looks like some personal issue going on that you guys should resolve in private.

[Roosh]

Alright I finally got caught up on the thread.

Here's my take... Lumiere is nitpicking about alpha this and beta that, only to finally proclaim that HE is the model alpha. A thousand eyes rolled. Kona disagrees and delivers the smackdown.

Quote:

Moving drugs does not earn my respect

But you've made it clear on the forum in your posts that pretty much nothing another man does earns your respect, and that you're the supreme player/alpha. That sets the stage up for Kona to come through and disagree is his own unique way.

[Lumiere]

Where did I proclaim that I was the model alpha?

That is your offended ego talking Roosh.

[Lumiere]

(03-13-2011 03:13 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

What's next???????????

Kona embarasses himself further is my guess.

[gringoed]

(03-13-2011 11:25 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Where did I proclaim that I was the model alpha?

That is your offended ego talking Roosh.

No, Roosh is 100% right. Post #82 is all you talking about YOU, and at the end you say "Now that, my friend is alpha."

Lumiere, another thing you don't seem to realize is that trying so hard to seem alpha on the forum makes you appear insecure about it like you're trying to overcompensate or something.

Overall I like 99% of what you write especially on the travel forum, and you know I have nothing personal against you, but you definitely came across that way to myself and others. Not so bad to completely justify that kind of public smackdown, but still.

[gringoed]

Back to Charlie Sheen, I understand what the naysayers are trying to emphasize. That he only is able to live this way because of his fame, money, bla bla bla. I partially agree.

But there are 2 things which some of you guys are missing that show him being uber-alpha:
1. The way he answers questions in his interviews. His off the cuff bizarre answers show that he lives in his own world, with his own rules, his own "constitution." I don't care whether he became this way through drugs, meditation, coaching, born that way, whatever. The fact is he's that way. He's different and embraces it. It's truly rare to find somebody that's so fascinating/bizarre/eccentric while embracing it and being CONGRUENT. I think lifestyle is an important indicator of alpha-ness but personality and presence are better indicators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aSa4tmV...re=related


2. Speaking of lifestyle. The important point is not HOW he is able to live this lifestyle. I agree that his fame and money help make it happen. But that fact that he ACTUALLY lives it without giving a fuck what other people think, is the point. Most rich and famous people CAN live that lifestyle if they chose and pursued it, BUT DONT due to fear of disapproval or loss of status, peer pressure, path of least resistance, etc. The point is not that Sheen can do it, it's that he chooses to without caring that most people strongly disapprove.

[Lumiere]

So how does that make me the model alpha? The whole point of post 82 is to say that chicks hanging out with you on their terms and because they are receiving any kind of payment whether it's coke, free publicity, cash, because you pay for their shit or anything else is not alpha and that filtering out those chicks and things going forward on your terms IS alpha.

That was the point of the post.

[Lumiere]

(03-14-2011 12:19 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

1. The way he answers questions in his interviews. His off the cuff bizarre answers show that he lives in his own world, with his own rules, his own "constitution."

All thanks to :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissisti...y_disorder

(03-14-2011 12:19 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

2. Speaking of lifestyle. The important point is not HOW he is able to live this lifestyle. I agree that his fame and money help make it happen. But that fact that he ACTUALLY lives it without giving a fuck what other people think, is the point.

The fact that he constantly states (and sometimes angrily screams) that he does not give a fuck shows that he does give a fuck.

People that really don't give a fuck do not go around constantly stating that they don't give a fuck. Why would they?

[Lumiere]

(03-13-2011 10:42 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

But you've made it clear on the forum in your posts that pretty much nothing another man does earns your respect

Odd that you should say that bearing in mind that when we met for a beer in Medellin I spoke in glowing terms about several forum members who happened to be in town at the same time (gringoed and partytime).

I also have mad respect for people on here who I have never even met like mixx.

[Moma]

You are only alpha if you can rally people to do your bidding and get women without comprimising your values. I would use that little austrian guy with the black moustache as an example. Also, please see my post on guys that were locked up on Brazillian prisons and actually ended up controlling the hardened cons that were thrown in there for much more brazen crimes, as an example.

In terms of money or status, we ALL use it in some way to leverage our success with women. I don't see a westerner in a foreign country telling a local he is not paying for nookie etc as a valid example of alpha-ism.

We all have celebrity status in a third world country. Most of the women dating or fcuking you there are investing in the chance that you will whisk them off to the western hemiphere for a better lifestyle.

If you are running your pimp game in America (if you are American) or your home country where they have no respect for regular men WITH no material resources THEN you can be considered sex alpha.

Bear in mind, alpha goes beyond just getting puzzy. I say this because some guys can get puzzy but still get knocked the fcuk out and other guys can knock most guys the fcuk out but strike out like crazy when it comes to bedding or getting women.

So there are two parts to the alpha game.

Read a Lee Child novel with Jack Reacher for an example. The guy has no car, and wears discount clothing but is equipped with military skills.
Always calls the shots on his own terms. Reacher is a fictitious character but that would be an accurate depiction of alpha.

If any of you guys live with your mum, don't have a car (perhaps ride a bicycle with bells and a horn to throw a spanner into the mix), are UNEMPLOYED (you get allowance from either your mum or another female) AND get professional attractive independent women for sex on a REGULAR basis (no one offs) THEN that, my dear forum friends, is the ultimate sex ALPHA.

That is because in that case, you are leveraging absolutely nothing but your sexual benefits to the women. Logistics are thrown totally out of the window with the forementioned.

However, a legitimate alpha (in my eyes) is a guy who is able to get a lot of women on the regular in a city where he is perceived as normal (race-wise)

[Luckystar]

(03-14-2011 12:19 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

1. The way he answers questions in his interviews. His off the cuff bizarre answers show that he lives in his own world, with his own rules, his own "constitution." I don't care whether he became this way through drugs, meditation, coaching, born that way, whatever. The fact is he's that way. He's different and embraces it. It's truly rare to find somebody that's so fascinating/bizarre/eccentric while embracing it and being CONGRUENT. I think lifestyle is an important indicator of alpha-ness but personality and presence are better indicators.

Honestly, I read this and Micheal Jackson is uber alpha by this definition.

As somebody who has spent time around junkies, Charlie Sheen is nothing special. Crackhouses are full of rambling over intellectualizing philosophers who seem to do exactly what they want, say exactly as they want with congruency - truth is, it's all out of need (physical and mental pathologies). Truth is, they don't have much control of themselves or their lives. Sheen isn't any different. He is not acting out of free will. His disposition (at least right now) is slave to his vices. If you are truly impressed by Sheen's 'charisma', with all due respect you can find plenty of similiar motivational speeches at your local crackhouse.


2. Speaking of lifestyle. The important point is not HOW he is able to live this lifestyle. I agree that his fame and money help make it happen. But that fact that he ACTUALLY lives it without giving a fuck what other people think, is the point. Most rich and famous people CAN live that lifestyle if they chose and pursued it, BUT DONT due to fear of disapproval or loss of status, peer pressure, path of least resistance, etc. The point is not that Sheen can do it, it's that he chooses to without caring that most people strongly disapprove.

I don't think anything (or very little) Sheen does now is by choice. It's not an unfair analogy to compare his lifestyle to junkies living in crackhouse who are partying with coke and fucking crack hoes with cash and drugs. Sheen's fame and money simply allows for a much more grandeur version of it. I think its very presumptuous to assert that most rich and famous people WANT to live this lifestyle (but don't).

For all we know, Sheen may not have much money in a few years. Chartered jets, daily drug use (for him and his mates), overpaid $30k whores, etc. Add in all the vultures surrounding him now for a piece of his pie, for an opportunity to sue, to party, etc. It would not suprise me if he was on the verge of bankruptcy in time, much like Micheal Jackson, Mike Tyson, nba players, etc.

[Luckystar]

(03-14-2011 12:19 AM)gringoed Wrote:  

Back to Charlie Sheen, I understand what the naysayers are trying to emphasize. That he only is able to live this way because of his fame, money, bla bla bla. I partially agree.

But there are 2 things which some of you guys are missing that show him being uber-alpha:
1. The way he answers questions in his interviews. His off the cuff bizarre answers show that he lives in his own world, with his own rules, his own "constitution." I don't care whether he became this way through drugs, meditation, coaching, born that way, whatever. The fact is he's that way. He's different and embraces it. It's truly rare to find somebody that's so fascinating/bizarre/eccentric while embracing it and being CONGRUENT. I think lifestyle is an important indicator of alpha-ness but personality and presence are better indicators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aSa4tmV...re=related


2. Speaking of lifestyle. The important point is not HOW he is able to live this lifestyle. I agree that his fame and money help make it happen. But that fact that he ACTUALLY lives it without giving a fuck what other people think, is the point. Most rich and famous people CAN live that lifestyle if they chose and pursued it, BUT DONT due to fear of disapproval or loss of status, peer pressure, path of least resistance, etc. The point is not that Sheen can do it, it's that he chooses to without caring that most people strongly disapprove.

Last point, several people have pointed out that Sheen DOES care about what people think. Why expend all the time and energy answering other people's questions?

The media is the one questioning Sheen, and Sheen is very compelled to answer to the media. The media is saying dance and Sheen is dancing. Yes, he is dancing his dance, but an alpha wouldn't dance on spot.

If Sheen didn't care, he wouldn't burn a single calorie even thinking about how others perceive him, let alone burning calories answering to people who don't know him.

[Lumiere]

(03-14-2011 10:00 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

If Sheen didn't care, he wouldn't burn a single calorie even thinking about how others perceive him, let alone burning calories answering to people who don't know him.

Is exactly right.

[ManAbout]

As for his living arrangement with his two "angels", super lame. Those girls are two nobodies who are latching on to his fame and status. One of them is a cheap pornstar. Any guy on here with $1000 in his pocket and a cheap video camera could bang her. Where is the alpha in that?

On the other hand, there is Sean Penn. He is dating Scarlett Johannsen, 25 years younger, one of the most desired women in the world, a celebrity in her own right, just seperated from her husband who is younger and much better looking than Sean Penn. And instead of wasting his time consumed by his own addictions, he is using his celebrity to make the world a better place. That's alpha.

Charlie Sheen is nothing more than a 45 year old frat boy.

[InternationPlayboy]

Damn, this thread got a little fucking ridiculous. But, my two cents on the whole Charlie Sheen thing... The dude is out of his mind, clearly. But I think it's amazing how American's sit at home all night and get huge amounts of entertainment and joy out of watching someone's life go down the shitter. It's like a big ego boost for them to sit and think, "Wow, my life sucks, but this guy makes my life look awesome." All sorts of "reporters" and "specialists" are talking about how Charlie is about to die and he's going off the deep end, but it's like they are cheering him on at the bottom of the cliff saying, "jump Charlie, jump!" Everyone wants to watch him die, it's kind of fucking pathetic. Just like Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, Ana Nicole, or whoever else the corporate media has vilified. It's like a wall people put up to make them think, "well at least this miserable fucks life is worse than mine." Yeah, Charlie is and has been out of his mind, but he's just trying to live like you or I, leave the fucking guy alone, who gives a shit what he does with his life? And what does that make you if you are tuning in every night to watch the miserable fucker slowly die? Doesn't that make you a little sick and twisted? Doesn't tuning every night to watch someone fall off the deep end make you a little sick in the head as well? Just a thought. TV makes people stupid, and that's exactly what the people that make it want you to be. TV creates sheeple, that's part of the reason I don't watch it.

[hydrogonian]

(03-14-2011 11:44 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

As for his living arrangement with his two "angels", super lame. Those girls are two nobodies who are latching on to his fame and status. One of them is a cheap pornstar. Any guy on here with $1000 in his pocket and a cheap video camera could bang her. Where is the alpha in that?

On the other hand, there is Sean Penn. He is dating Scarlett Johannsen, 25 years younger, one of the most desired women in the world, a celebrity in her own right, just seperated from her husband who is younger and much better looking than Sean Penn. And instead of wasting his time consumed by his own addictions, he is using his celebrity to make the world a better place. That's alpha.

Charlie Sheen is nothing more than a 45 year old frat boy.

This is a little ridiculous. Calling those two girls nobodies is devaluing them based on literally nothing. They are just two girls that any guy here would fuck. Not much different than 99% of the fuckworthy women on the planet. They are young, fuckable and assumed to be disease free. What's the criteria? Are they that much beneath you? I highly doubt it. Any guy here who says as much is either a lying keyboard rockstar or is deluded. And I highly doubt that you could bang that specific pornstar with a $1000 cash offer. But still, spend $1000 on almost ANY girl (not famous) in the right way and only a lame ass guy couldn't bang her. Also, since when is dating famous women the criteria for Alpha? I would submit that if you feel the need to date famous women to project status, then that's a self esteem issue that specifically points to being very insecure in your status. That's why i think a hell of a lot of famous 'alpha' guys consistently date and marry non famous women.

Making the world a better place is not Alpha. Its not the antithesis of alpha either. Everyone's overly specific and meaningless criteria for 'alpha' is also out of control. Alpha is not what you want it to be based on how the world 'should' work in a righteous, warm, cuddly, and just universe. In fact, its most often the opposite of that. Being a dominant male (alpha) is based on sociobiological rules. Helping the unfortunate has never been part of that sociobiology.

And remember, Scarlett Johannsen is "one of the most desired women in the world" by non-famous people. She has incredible status to all non-actors and people who aren't in that A-list world. By dating Sean Penn, she is dating someone that is largely on her level in terms of status, except for age. That makes it not such a big 'alpha' accomplishment for Sean Penn to get her. When that status level is equal, she's just a girl just like any other. If you have access to her, and can hang in terms of charm, money, a passable social network (something that remotely touches her level), and not looking like a total troll on her arm, then I'm sure that its not that difficult to date her.

I don't disagree about Sheen being a 45 year old frat bot. But 'Frat Boy' seems to describe loosely 70% of Hollywood men and 80% of men, in general, across all levels of status. Especially when they have money and a lot of free time. I don't think that there is much evidence to devalue him further, other than to say that he's a hypermanic drug addict. But that's not devaluation. That's a fact.

[Duke Castile]

I vote we now turn to bashing that fraud Sean Penn. The guy PRETENDS to actually make the world a better place. Not to mention that Spiccoli hasn't had a decent movie since Mystic River, and that's largely due to the Genius of Clint Eastwood.

[theIVth]

(03-02-2011 09:33 PM)Jack Frost Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 08:31 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

If you ever catch me paying a chick $10,000 just to have dinner with me then you have permission to shoot me. Alpha? That's about as omega as you can possibly get.

I disagree with this, money is all relative man. If youre making 40 million a year which Ive got to imagine is the area Sheen is in 10 stacks is less than .1 percent of his income. Thats like most people spending a coupe of bucks. Theres plenty of men that are next level alpha paying prostitutes and if you dont believe that youre crazy.

"But tricking aint the route, thats even if you got it/ theres a method to you keeping it when they cant do without it" - Snoop Dog

I will go celibate for the rest of my life before I ever pay a bitch to fuck me