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This is some good analysis. You should write more.
That being said, is do you apply this to OP?
Are the Bloggers like Roissy and Rollo who follow this sort of SMV/10's require more game unconsciously creating the very thing that they despise?
WIA
Firstly, I apologize for no immediate response, I usually check these forums on Sundays/Mondays.
I apply this lens on all male-female relationships. Being aware of such dynamics will automatically change your own ‘default’ method of treating women from reactive to them to proactively affecting their emotional state.
Preface: I have applied ‘game’ since 2006, a horny 15 year old who was rejected too hard for his ego to swallow. Was picking up Swedish 18 year olds on school trips infront of flabbergasted classmates and teachers; had teachers opening up to me after that, female classmates would hook up with me during free periods.
It was no coincidence that ‘showing your hand’ has an adverse effect on the women who implicitly view you as valuable, no matter what. This is being yourself, given that yourself is cool because you don’t give a fuck- you are solely a provider of good emotions by bringing them into your amazing life.
Every woman I hook up with knows she is being included into my life. I don’t meet her friends unless it’s at my request, she doesn’t speak of her boyfriend, I am not interested with her problems. I reward occasionally though, to keep her harvesting the crop of ‘being with a cool ass guy’ and letting her friends/others see this. Women thrive off this. I will compliment and it means 100x more than another guy because it is coming from me, it is valuable. Being vouched for by me.
I challenge their beliefs and educate them, physically, emotionally and intellectually. This is my gift to them, the gift of self-esteem and a great image towards others. The irony is that my image is self-defined but is attractive to others. (how I do this is covered all over the forum. Be fascinating, mysterious and be intrigued by others)
Women are everywhere, you just got to shift their perception of you being a normal guy with a good job/education/bullshit factor into being a sexual, valuable being through your behaviour. I no longer need to inform girls, they know who I am and what I do through my body language, vocal tonality and how I handle any obstacles (in the beginning from them). Their shit tests are brushed off, they are constantly qualifying.
Social circle knows I am a sexual deviant, unashamed. My reputation precedes me. My behaviour with unknown girls intrigues them; I convey desire, status and non-judgment. Friendzones are non-existent. Girls who try shit/games are immediately dethroned of any pedestal. I put on a show for them, take them on a fairytale where they get to hang out with an alpha. How I affect their emotions is what defines my value in their eyes. I make them feel things other guys are too afraid, too inexperience or too immature to do.
I live life with my new mantra: Leave every person you meet better off than you found them. I am a provider or experiences, moments and memories. I always let girls know that our arrangement is temporary with no strings attached. Consequently as they are aware of my high value and scared of me leaving, they sure as fuck straighten their behaviour up, no matter how hot they are. Never underestimate the power of abundance and options. You must find a way to convey this through your behaviours.
I disapprove of time-wasting, flakes and anything of the sort. I had a girl invite herself to my place and I flaked on another girl for this girl to come over with her friend. She was going to flake, I heard from her friend so I immediately confronted her: I am not pissed off that you cannot come. I am pissed off that you did not think of telling me directly and communicate it, that is disrespectful. Now go sort out your problems and come back. (She apologized 3x and came over without mentioning anything).
A few of the girls I am currently seeing have fucked other guys and ex boyfriends while with me or still have boyfriends. I just fuck other girls, they are aware of this. The ones who can’t handle it, try to get me to be exclusive, especially when taken (they break up with their boyfriends and fail to see the irony) despite the warnings. I really, honestly, do not give a shit; sex is normal but exciting. Anybody can control a woman’s body, the key is to control her mind.
re: value
When you visit the hottest, youngest stripper in a strip club you’ve already banged and you’re macking on other strippers and she is being hit on by other guys and she calls you over to set a time to visit you after her shift, other girls (in this scenario strippers) pick up on this. Why this guy? He is not the richest, tallest or most handsome in this room.
Why?
Because I am firm, and I set my own standards for my behaviour. I exude this. I am cool. Another Russian girl is giving my friend a dance? I spit some Russian, I learned this shit from my life, not a fucking book. They know this.
I danced with a girl who was a salsa expert. I was still an amateur and she felt it in my hip movement. She was turned off, she knew I was high value but I couldn’t display it in her arena in front of others. She was disappointed and left me. when you feel like your value is inferior, you must bring them into your arena, play to your strengths; lesson learned, become better at salsa to convey my dominance through another avenue.
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That being said, is do you apply this to OP?
I definitely apply it to OP. In my eyes, I am dating down to bring girls up to my level. What affects their rating is indeed hotness in the eyes of others but I prefer to re-frame this into girls dating up towards me. Every girl, given she is beautiful, has the potential to be a 10 in my eyes, but only around me as my core-self expects that at minimum. The standards I set for who I spend my time with dictates that women act like 10s. For the sake of argument, I will apply Roosh’s formula to my own life.
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1)Where are your lays coming from?
On a recent 6 month timeline:
1)My lays come from day game/night game/social circle/work. There is no specific ‘watering hole’, I adapt to my environment. I have fucked a stripper from reddit, a MILF from an upscale bar, a ONS in under 60 minutes by approaching a girl sitting perpendicular to me at a bar at 7pm, a girl from work, a girl from my extended social circle with some history with me, gotten numbers from public transport and grocery stores. The list goes on and this is in the past 6 months (2014) of moving in to my own pad. They all told me after banging, I am unlike any guy they have ever met, I lead them and they want to follow me. They wake up to please me, making my bed, making me breakfast and giving me rides to wherever I want to go to. (Carless)
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2)What is the ROI on the venues you are approaching in?
2)I approach EVERYWHERE when I see something I like. Girls ust want to be taken (credit: RSD Tim) and I define the ROI. Before I roll up to a venue, I know if I will pull or not and this is only affected by if I see something that catches my eye or not. My belief that I am the shit, unfaltering, unstoppable has the effect that I will not be rejected for reasons I can control. I have learned to sniff out the horny women. As a result, I usually hook up and at least get a number which transforms into something. I know within 30 seconds if I am wasting my time or not from her mirroring towards me. Mirroring is a perfect indicator of how women ping off you.
Example of me affecting my own ROI:
I was out with 2 of my shy friends who big me up to be Casanova. I take my spot at the bar, joking with the hot bartender and eye fucking the shit out of her until she comes my way and I simply say, she’s fucking hot and I cannot keep my eyes off her as I call out hot girls passing by. First an 8, who loved my confidence. She gave me her business card to which I politely declined. I cannot fit her into my schedule. Bartender jokes about how I want her instead. She was offended at first and then kept coming over to check on me. At this point, there was a Jewish 7 who had some sick tattoos and wanted to take me home. 8 interjects and is very unimpressed. She pulls me aside and tells me she’s hotter than the other girl. I give her a dead look and tell her to leave. (She judged her opinion of herself by who I chose). I left the Jew and her friend to my friends, and I politely exited. Jew girl runs up to me with her phone in hand and says she would rather go home with me than stick around. ‘Be a good friend and look after your friend and mine’. I gotta wake up for a surf tomorrow- ROI nonetheless has decreased, in pure face-value game terms.
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3)Do you see any common patterns among the girls you have been happiest with?
3)This is ironic, because it’s women who are taken. They want to treat me well, take care of me. Their boyfriends are vanilla and don’t appreciate the finer things the girls do for them or they aren’t worthy in their eyes. I don’t really care, the result is the same. I expect it no matter what, girlfriend or not. The oldschool Greek in me subconsciously tries to turn ho’s into housewives, at their behavioural behest. I do nothing. They want to feel wanted but at the same time like I can disappear at any moment. I went out on Saturday night, girl with a bf was in my bed. I left and I told her, if I bring another girl home, she is either taking part or she can sleep on the couch. She doesn’t get to make the rules in my bed especially if she is not coming out with me (I hate public displays of affection), so it worked out nicely. I didn’t bring a girl home but she woke up immediately at 3am when I returned and kept me company as we smoked a J. She knows that if she doesn’t, someone else will.
I must admit though, such happiness becomes more and more marginal as more and more women do this, regardless of their relationship status. This is because as my game grows tighter, this is expected of them. I have noticed more and more single women falling into this, than a year ago.
Any man in a small town knows that women get ‘big fish in a small pond’ syndrome. This is the market, and if affects the price of pussy. Roosh’s article articulates this to a small extent, with the valuation of women which is only relative to their environment. This is because we are judging women (as is Roosh in his article) based on appearances instead of behaviour. This of course will depend on the player at hand.
When you are in a position of power, women will be attracted to you. They ping their value off yours, as your opinion matters because you are cool as shit. As McQueen mentioned, you are the prize. This was my first mantra, along with self-entertainment. If you’re put on a pedestal then everything falls into place. Everything else is bullshit detail that doesn’t matter anyways. You just got to understand what will make those women pedestalize you.
To touch on Roosh’s fables of his article.
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1. Find a beautiful girl who, for some reason, is insecure or unaware of her value (she almost always is under 25).
1. Impossible, I cannot spend too much time with girls under 25, they are stupid and self-absorbed. They require training, no time for that. You just come in at higher value. Of course, I am not looking for anything LTR at the moment. Rather, I am open to auditions.
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2. Find a beautiful girl who lives in a city that lacks good men while having a disproportionate amount of other beautiful women.
2. This coincides with my experience here. In all honesty though, ‘good men’ are lacking everywhere, in the pure game and female lens context. You don’t even need to be in a city of beautiful women, women know when you are a wanted item (Tylers Secret Society)
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3. Be a 10 guy who is higher value than just about everyone.
3. This. This. This. This is what I strive to be every day and this is what attracts women. Occasionally, there is a celebrity, model or some sportsman in my environment who is ‘higher value’ than me. This is where you adapt, use your environment to it’s potential. Strike up a discussion with him, game recognize game. This is very rare though and dependant on your environment e.g. Monte Carlo vs. Prague.
No tricks, tactics, money or anything can help you more than a woman pedestalizing you as a result of pinging off your value.
Example: I am with a woman from cold approach and I am receiving messages from others. They see this and they get jealous but they question why I do not answer.
“When I am with you, you have my 100% undivided attention; when absent, I cannot give you the same levels.”
There are options but I am spending the moment with her. When I am gone and there is no 2 ticks next to her whatsapp message, she is one of the other girls. There is always a main girl, the one who is with me and the timeline is never set in stone. There could be or not be but this simple belief (is he with someone else, is she fucking him better than me, is she buying him shit) is what gets them fighting for me. They know the game as well.
This is where I disagree with OP. I believe that I am a 10/10, to the core of it. I had confidence issues in the beginning until I did some NLP and visualizations which led me to take a proactive role in my life. I believe it and it allows me to approach women without fear but as you spend time, the layers start to unravel and this is where the action you have already taken shows you talk the talk but walk the walk too.
My life then changed as not only did my belief become unshakable but it had an adverse effect on my actions. I became a man of action and intent rather than one who’s beliefs are shaped by others. I don’t give a fuck about genetics, neither do women right now; this may change at Roosh’s age, I am still early 20s.
Everyone just wants to have some fun. Girls want to be with you, because other girls want you. The guys who I know are successful and natural, from ages 20 to 45 all implement this into their life.
They are selling the dream which every woman wants. She wants to be a mistress who is appreciated for her behaviour with a shot at being your main squeeze rahter than a girlfriend from the start who is appreciated for her looks and commonalities (relationship will only deteriorate, you must challenge her).
Why?
She only gives a shit what other women think, not what men think as men are weak; the excitement of not knowing where this interaction/timeline will go is what will get her wet.
When women want you to decide and ask you if you are exclusive or will be together, it’s because she wants to lock you down ASAP. If she can’t, her natural defence mechanism will kick in and she will try to block you out of your life, like an addiction.
Men are reactive and insecure (sure women are, but not in the almighty eyes of women themselves), she needs you to be her rock against the tides of beta. Even with women from 5 years ago who I rejected, they still have a soft spot for me. They always ask me about my relationships, as everything else in my order is on lockdown and they are aware of this.
Every woman in the world who is in a relationship saw her boyfriend as a 10 at one point in time and always hopes he will be that again. They are even more aware of the judgmental looks they get when they step into a room and once you drop the ball and she feels that, she will next you. You can apply this to Roosh’s article as well as socially savvy and confident guys always are aware of where their woman stands in the hierarchy of a venue.
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Are the Bloggers like Roissy and Rollo who follow this sort of SMV/10's require more game unconsciously creating the very thing that they despise?
Yes and no. They are altering their behaviour towards this it would seem in order to score with the elite girls. This is pre-pedestalization to begin with and reactionary. I understand, to convey a point, you must meet your audience half-way. This is advanced, regular Joe who googled ‘how to get laid’ will not understand a fraction of this. It works for us who have been at it for a while though and I believe a lot of the manosphere is progressing faster than most guys can catch up hence the accusations of controversy etc. The ones writing and getting attention have been at it for a long time and there is a 'barrier to entry' concerning the understanding of a lot of concepts.
SMV/10s analogies are useful in transmitting the hierarchy of status and how different levels will give you different results. When you are at the top of your hierarchy, you see that judgment is relative to each person but furthermore, women’s value systems are altered directly by how their men treat them and how other females view their man and in turn, themselves.
Those aware to pick up on these cues and read between the lines will increase their value to increase the amount of women they have available to them. Other men will just rate themselves and stick to a specific ‘hotness range’ and accept that as fate rather than fight it or get a girl above their league and be happy. A band-aid on their wounds. They don’t understand that some (not all.) women (the hottest ones) cannot be with a guy hotter than them as their self-esteem is boosted by the belief of others rather than the man. This is because they have never experienced the behaviour of such a man (see: earlier when I mentioned ‘I have never been with a guy like you’).
The behaviour of women becomes acceptable as they fall in to the women’s frame of believing what others think of them (self-perceived investment affected by others). The men smart enough to see this will take it into consideration and consequently alter the way they are seen through every channel possible and women being one of them. Social media is a good tool for this, if you are constantly seen with women who are sharing their pictures of you rather than you doing it yourself, looking for attention.
Note: beauty is a pre-requisite for me. It shows women take care of themselves and it’s genetic; hence my partial disagreement with Roosh. We are the ones who are looking for genes, not women per se. In this current environment, behaviour is the most attractive trait and this is displayed by confidence, status and other things that women CANNOT attain solely on their own but by being with a man (it shows belief in your power to provide resources, emotions, value). You can affect what women value the most of these traits through your own behaviour.
This is why the greatest gift you can give a woman is self-esteem and make her feel better by being with you. She will fight wars for you if you do this.
This is my two cents based off my experiences and where I am at right now (early 20s, decent job, great social status and connected guy).
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