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06-18-2014, 07:44 PM
What exactly are America's choices right now? Let Iraq fall to a brutal Islamic takeover, or invest another trillion into peacekeeping?
Might be cheaper to just drop a nuke.
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06-18-2014, 10:34 PM
Most of the electorate are LGBT loving quiche eaters.
Power hungry imperialists are in the minority.
The thing that most don't seem to realize is that if you let fucksticks like these ISIS guys go they cause bigger problems down the road.
Simply, some groups seemingly do not have the ability to govern themselves and need someone else to do it for them.
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06-18-2014, 11:46 PM
The Middle East is radicalizing en masse. Iraq is just one piece of the jigsaw.
In the near future, the whole region will be a no-go area for foreigners. Sad but true. There are many beautiful countries that will soon be off limits to westerners. Might be better to visit sooner rather than later.
If you want to see where all this leads, just check out Pakistan. A total war zone. That is the logical end point.
Western powers should learn their lesson and stay well away. The irony is that Iran is demonized while the Saudis are courted. Historians of the future will be highly amused.
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06-19-2014, 06:36 PM
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Kucinich: Stop Calling Iraq War a “Mistake”
The current state of affairs in Iraq is drawing the attention of many, including politicians like Dennis Kucinich, who served as a member of the United States Congress from 1997 to 2013. Kucinich expressed his frustration with current American sentiments about the Iraq War in an editorial for The Huffington Post.
Kucinich claimed that both media commentators and politicians had settled upon deeming the war a mistake. He said that by calling it a mistake, “it minimizes the Iraq War’s disastrous consequences, removes blame, and deprives Americans of any chance to learn from our generation’s foreign policy disaster.”
According to Kucinich, the American people were lied to, and the truth, although widely available, was ignored. He wrote, ”Millions of people who marched in America in protest of the war knew the truth, but were maligned by members of both parties for opposing the president in a time of war.” Kucinich went on to write that the war was not about liberating the Iraqi people, Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, and there were no weapons of mass destruction.
In 2008, when Barack Obama became the President of the United States, he declared that his administration would not investigate the Iraq War. “Essentially, he suspended public debate about the war,” said Kucinich. “That may have felt good in the short term for those who wanted to move on, but when you’re talking about a war initiated through lies, bygones can’t be bygones.”
Kucinich wrote that, in order for the United States to address its true role, President Obama must tell the American people the truth about Iraq and the false scenario that caused the United States to go to war. “President Obama didn’t start the Iraq War, but he has the opportunity now to tell the truth,” said Kucinich. “That we were wrong to go in. That the cause of war was unjust. That more problems were created by military intervention than solved. That the present violence and chaos in Iraq derives from the decision which took America to war in 2003.”
According to Kucinich, journalists and media commentators also needed to address their true role in forming the lie the American public believes about the war in Iraq. He said they should “stop giving inordinate air and print time to people who were either utterly wrong in their support of the war or willful in their calculations to make war.” Kucinich blamed the media for fanning the flames of war, due to the fact that they did not give ”adequate coverage to the arguments against military intervention.”
“The unwillingness to confront the truth about the Iraq War has induced a form of amnesia which is hazardous to our nation’s health,” Kucinich explained. “Willful forgetting doesn’t heal, it opens the door to more lying. As today’s debate ensues about new potential military “solutions” to stem violence in Iraq, let’s remember how and why we intervened in Iraq in 2003.”
http://benswann.com/kucinich-stop-callin...a-mistake/
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06-19-2014, 08:14 PM
^Disagree. WW3 won't be coming soon, everyone has too much to lose and unlike Fox News claims, the rest of the world won't torture everyone around them if there's no American intervention. As a matter of fact, I respect Obama for not invading Iraq. He would make the US military hitmen for the Shias and thereby alienate every Sunni Iraqi by doing so. That would have led to an even bloodier Iraq. Its really Noori al-Maliki's fault - he alienated the Sunnis instead of including them. Like Machiavelli said, A Prince who lives in a fortress will lose goodwill.
The worst that will come to the world will be a Somalia-like situation in Iraq and Syria. Tragic but not surprising. People will hate Bush and the neocons for it, not Obama. Even though I think Obama's been incompetent with much of domestic policy, his benign foreign policy has been better for the States than Bush's aggressive policy.
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06-19-2014, 08:56 PM
Quote: (06-19-2014 06:54 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:
^ When the US invades, it's always a "mistake" or a "foreign policy blunder" or "we were wrong"
"Mistakes were made."
If only you knew how bad things really are.
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06-19-2014, 08:59 PM
Ah, that one.
Yes, good read, if a bit dated. It is nevertheless still a classic in its field.