[pitt]

(06-05-2014 08:31 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 08:07 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Wrong. This is true in Brazil, not in Portugal. In portugal white people will call you preto without meaning to be offensive.

In Portugal, guys will also call each other "cabrão" and "filho da puta" without meaning to be offensive... when they are friends!! And only in that case! I don't see how you're disagreeing with me.

The truth is that the word "preto" is impolite and should be avoided when one is interacting with strangers. For example, the newspapers or TV newscasts in PT never use the word "preto". Instead, they use the word "negro" or, more pedantically, "de raça negra".

oh yeah you are right, you didn't say that on your post, I didnt know you meant when interacting with strangers (but still, sometimes it will happen..fuck it,even the police when stop to search you, they will call you preto).

[Wreckingball]

as the OP and others can see, not even portuguese guys can decide if "preto" is offensive or not

Both refer to black color, some people use "negro", some "preto" generally with the same meaning. In my opinion preto would be used to offend.

At first we will possibly distrust you, but as I said before, we are laid back. Be cool, polite, laid back and if possible bring something to drink.

[LEMONed IScream]

Black people also refer to themselves as pretos many times. And they joke with it too. ^^

[robinho]

(06-05-2014 07:25 PM)Scesci Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 02:27 AM)robinho Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 06:09 PM)Scesci Wrote:  

i cant say for sure about portugal...

Yes I heard about Rihanna, but then it comes to Brazil I have heard even more crazy stuff but maybe the stuff of brazil is because of the World Cup and Olympic.

yeah, were under maintenance, things did not work so well with the planning of these major events, and the population is kinda pissed off, funny because we are definitely a soccer country, this was supposed to be all joy

brazil is indeed a crazy place, i would call it a shit hole, but you're question was about being black, if you want quality of life definitely go to portugal, if you want to have sub celebritie status come to brazil

(06-05-2014 05:56 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

I'm Portuguese and I'm going to give my point of view:

Yes, we are a little bit racist towards blacks and gypsies (not asian). Brasilians also, because they think that they are better than us

thats not true, making fun of portuguese is a very old joke because of the colonization resentment, but we as a culture have very low self Esteem, Brazilians love to lick tourist european balls , i cant say what happens between Br's and Pt's in your country, but here in Brazil is supreme adoration for anything foreign, people don't appreciate their own culture around here

what we really hate are argentine's and people from the northern part of the country (nordestinos)

also racism does exist here, but its hidden, people are well aware of the consequences of calling black people anything offensive, we are a strong PC state, people that dislike blacks may stare at them at the streets or restaurants but they don't dare to hold the gaze when a black looks back

the real enemy of the negros is the police, its getting better, in the past it didnt matter your social position, if there was a black riding a nice sports car or displaying any sign of good life people automatically assumed it was stolen, they would humilliate you into showing proofs that you bought it

but now is different, the police doesnt bother wasting their time just because your black, but if you are not very well dressed you are considered suspicious

i've met some very racist people but they're all old and dying, newer generations are born with anti white mentality from the beginning

Thats true I hear the brazilians in Portugal say all portuguese women look like men and they have no as! But the same goes for the portugues people they tell joke like: "What is the diference between cancer and a Brazilian? Cancer evolve Brazilian dont." I meet some nice Brazilian and some nice Portuguese people. I did have some problem with a rich brazilian girl from Rio de Janeiro she was class A1, her father owned some companys and she was really rude to me.

But I gess everybody is different. About the girls in Portugal from Angola and Cabo Verde how are they like? More like the Brazilians?

[robinho]

(06-05-2014 02:01 PM)jackflag Wrote:  

I have a question. Why do you like Portugal so much more than Sweden?

It´s the weather!! In Sweden it's dark like 10 months of the year. And of course I like Sweden, but you wanna have what you don't have .
I dont understand how americans can leave the United States of America, you have everything in there!

[LEMONed IScream]

Girls from Angola and Cabo Verde... well depends, some are more "africanized", others are complete Oreos, as in black outside and white inside. But generally I've found them to be easier than portuguese girls.

Also, enough with the Portugal vs Brazil thing. Both countries have good and bad things,quality of PT women isn't excellent but it's not abysmal either, especially the new gens. That said, it's not a country to come for the women. PERIOD. It's not a country to come to work in (normally), it's excellent for holidays and maybe retiring, but that's it.

[Icarus]

Some Cape Verdeans are rather exotic-looking:

[Wreckingball]

(06-07-2014 11:19 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  

quality of PT women isn't excellent but it's not abysmal either, especially the new gens. That said, it's not a country to come for the women. PERIOD. It's not a country to come to work in (normally), it's excellent for holidays and maybe retiring, but that's it.

This kind of sums up Portugal.

[Brosemite]

(06-07-2014 07:42 AM)robinho Wrote:  

Thats true I hear the brazilians in Portugal say all portuguese women look like men and they have no as! But the same goes for the portugues people they tell joke like: "What is the diference between cancer and a Brazilian? Cancer evolve Brazilian dont."

That's hilarious. I would say Portuguese women look short with fat asses (not the good kind) and soso faces.

Brazil is definitely a place on the move....but I can sort of relate to that Portuguese joke, bc BR is also a place that hasn't evolved as quickly it should have. Still great potential in the country.

I remember when Cantonese was the more "relevant" business language for ages...since the late 90's...mainland China has broken out of it's stubborn ways & Mandarin then took over quickly as the more important tongue. If that sort of thing can happen in China with all the baggage of Communism, Japanese torture from WWII, and cultural issues from the past.....then there is no reason Brazil can't turn it around either.

(06-07-2014 07:42 AM)robinho Wrote:  

I meet some nice Brazilian and some nice Portuguese people. I did have some problem with a rich brazilian girl from Rio de Janeiro she was class A1, her father owned some companys and she was really rude to me.

I've realized the old money people with families living in Zona Sul of Rio can be some of the meanest Brazilians you'll meet. On their facebook profiles, you'll read "Leblon" or "Ipanema" instead of Rio de Janeiro with regards to "Hometown/Current City."

My middle/upper middle class contacts in Rio can be some of the most overly politically correct & self-righteous people I know. They are quite insecure about others in Brazilian cities that are better than them in certain categories (looks/results) yet choose to stand pant dwelling on that bitterness while expecting to have their feelings coddled. They also feel their own interpretation of Brazilian culture is the "end all be all" of the country, and those disagreeing with them results in moments of awkwardness.

As a gringo that speaks Portuguese, has been through a lot of training, some trips to Brazil, and has met many Brazilians stateside in language mixers...those were the feelings I got about Cariocas. They're extremely well-versed people who have a great understanding of other cultures in the world being well-traveled & all...I just don't see eye to eye with them in regards to their own stubborn interpretation of Brazil though. This is why I prefer Mineiros in that they're capable of thriving in any social situation while maintaining chill/humble attitudes in their quest for self-improvement.

(06-07-2014 07:42 AM)robinho Wrote:  

But I gess everybody is different. About the girls in Portugal from Angola and Cabo Verde how are they like? More like the Brazilians?

Maybe I should check out Cabo Verde based on pics Icarus posted....

[LEMONed IScream]

Unfortunately not so short Brosemite... I'm 5,8 and half of the girls on my class are taller T_T