[Aldershot]

Source: I’ve lived here my whole life – I’m 24.

The following information can be applied to anywhere in England outside of London – where there is a wider variety of foreigners.

WARNING: Don’t come here. It’s a shithole and everything goes against the perfect environment for an international player.

But if you find yourself here or want your English flag – here’s how it goes.

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Birmingham Data Sheet

There are four types of women you will generally come across: White, Mixed/Black, Indian and Muslim. I will run through each of them.

White Women


The undesired women make up the majority here in Birmingham – chavs, hipsters and fat chicks. Sometimes they are a combination of all three. The minority are extremely feminine whose lives revolve around improving their appearance – gym, shopping, beauty treatments etc.

It’s a bit like Argentina when it comes to these when it comes to day game – the 5s or 6s are extremely easy to approach, whereas the 7s and above have bitch shields making them untouchable. The extremely hot ones tend to get drunk when out at night as an excuse for being a slut. I’ve managed to lay these plenty of times but almost all of them were as a result of being intoxicated.

To pull the White women, you have the best chances by simply being White. Black guys tend to pull the hipsters, so if you’re into that shit then you’ll be in heaven at the Bull Ring (more on that later).

Mixed/Black Women


There is lots of Black people in Birmingham. The fully Black women are pretty much impossible to anybody but Black guys. As for the mixed girls, the case is very similar but you they will consider White guys who can game them right. Not many White people will have the guts to talk to them, so set yourself aside from the crowd and appear confident and sexual.

In terms of appearance, go for the Mixed girls whether you’re White or Black. The full Black girls are mostly ugly – nothing like in Africa. Mixed girls, on the other hand, can be hot in the extreme.

Indian Women


For the most part – you’ve got to be Indian. It’s in their culture. However, the younger generation are as liberal as the next girl. They generally dress more feminine than other girls but take a little longer to close.

Muslim Women


The Muslim women are mostly from a Pakistani or Bengali background. The one’s in hijabs are impossible so I wouldn’t even bother. On the other hand, unless they’re fat, they can be extremely beautiful and feminine. The key it to isolate them from their friends. You’re not going to take them away from their friends and take them home for the bang. Get their number. They will most certainly meet you in private – it is extremely important to protect their reputation so if the logistics are right they will take advantage.

Logistics


A private room in the city centre will be upwards of $50 per night. I strongly recommend spending the extra money you will be right by the Bull Ring, Mail Box and Broad Street. Taxis aren’t cheap.

Online Game

Don’t bother. Nobody online dates around here – unless you’re counting meeting up on Facebook through their mutual friends.

Day Game


If you’re lucky, you could score a hot white girl or Muslim in the Bull Ring (the main shopping mall in the city centre). Just hang around the coffee shops and places to eat and approach.

Night Game


If you’re under 30, go to Broad Street - in particular Gatecrasher (picture above) - there is always a fight out the front afterwards, which is quality entertainment when you're hammered. It can be a little chavvy, but your chances of pulling are extremely high.

Just make sure you approach enough you will certainly get kiss close and your dick grinded on. On a weekend you have literally a 50% chance of getting a girl back if your logistics are spot on.

If you can, try and get invited to an after party or even a house party as oppose to going out in the town. It’s way cheaper (just buy cans from the corner shops) and pretty much half the people there end up fucking by 3am.

The Ganja


Most people who have house parties will designate a specific room-smoking weed. If you’re looking for some good shit to smoke on your own, just ask some guys who look like they smoke it (most groups of young guys do these days) – they’ll either sell it you on the spot or point you in the right direction. You’ll get a 10 bag for £10 or an eighth for £20.

Conclusion...

There is plenty of sex in Birmingham with the right logistics. Just don't expect much better than a 6.

[DoomsdayIlluztrious]

Legit thread. Was always curious about UK cities outside of London.

From your experience, how would Birmingham women feel about foreigners (American)?

[Aldershot]

(05-26-2014 11:04 AM)DoomsdayIlluztrious Wrote:  

Legit thread. Was always curious about UK cities outside of London.

From your experience, how would Birmingham women feel about foreigners (American)?

Often people say that we hate Americans but this couldn't be further from the truth. Just flaunt your accent if you come here and you will get loads of attention; providing you game right you will maintain that attention.

You'll have the same chance as any other guy when it comes to getting the close.

[Afarang]

hes right.

I've been told that digbirth is a good rave spot now, alot of people selling ket and coke, meant to be a good vibe.

Bushwackers also is quite good, although a little pertinacious, pre drinking in Bridnely place (on broad street) is a good on fri/sat

[Kieran]

Selly Oak is good for students, and much cheaper to drink than a lot of places.

[king87]

Thanks for the information, but where do you met the Muslim or Indian women since approaching them in public can be tricky, share you methods of gaming them

[Kieran]

Lots of decent Indian women at Nuvo (just off Broad Street), or Chameleon (a bar on Hill Street, walking distance from Broad Street). Not my cup of tea, but better than the places on Broad Street.

[Gopnik]

Not hating here, but it doesn't look like a very detailed data sheet for a city with a 1 million population. You only discuss one night game venue and you don't mention any practical tips for approaching. I also wouldn't put Veena Malik as a good example of how the average muslim woman looks like... Thanks for the warning though, I was considering Birmingham for studying there, but I think Manchester or Sheffield are probably better options.

[Kieran]

^ I agree that both Manchester and Sheffield are good options, as is Leeds. However, University of Birmingham has a lot of quality, and if you're living in Selly Oak near the campus where the majority of U of B students live, then life should be pretty good.

[EU Explorer]

(05-27-2014 11:04 AM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

Not hating here, but it doesn't look like a very detailed data sheet for a city with a 1 million population. You only discuss one night game venue and you don't mention any practical tips for approaching. I also wouldn't put Veena Malik as a good example of how the average muslim woman looks like... Thanks for the warning though, I was considering Birmingham for studying there, but I think Manchester or Sheffield are probably better options.

There is no pleasing you is there?...the op probably spent quite a lot of time doing this...what about Poland or Spain for studying as an alternative option?

[Gopnik]

(05-27-2014 01:27 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

(05-27-2014 11:04 AM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

Not hating here, but it doesn't look like a very detailed data sheet for a city with a 1 million population. You only discuss one night game venue and you don't mention any practical tips for approaching. I also wouldn't put Veena Malik as a good example of how the average muslim woman looks like... Thanks for the warning though, I was considering Birmingham for studying there, but I think Manchester or Sheffield are probably better options.

There is no pleasing you is there?...the op probably spent quite a lot of time doing this...I suspect wherever you study you still won't be happy.

Based on what?

I'm not saying it's useless, I'm just saying it is much less detailed than other datasheets for smaller UK cities such as this onesheffield)

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-24667....=sheffield

The OP says he's lived in Birmingham for 24 years, I'm sure he knows more than one NG spot. I still haven't made my mind whether or not I should study there, so it would be great to hear more about it.

[rudebwoy]

Lol I never saw anything close to the quality of girls you posted.

I went a few years back, I believe the club was called The Living room. It's not the kind of city I would normally visit, I have cousins that live there.

Isn't the city mostly Asian?

[Aldershot]

Sorry for the lack of NG spots. Digbeth can be quality. I've heard food things from Harborne and Selly Oak as well, but have never actually been as they're a bit out the way.

As for the women, yeah I just picked hot girls of that race - they are by no means a representation of the average girl, maybe just the extremely hot ones that are rare.

Luisaceo - I've heard Bristol and Aberystwyth in Wales are amazing for students. Don't bother with B'ham.

[Saweeep]

Hey fellas.

I'm a Birmingham based guy and tbh I sorta disagree with a lot of the OP; not that you're necessarily wrong, just different experiences to my 32 years in the city.

It's late now but I'll write a longer post tomorrow from my side of the fence

[Kieran]

(05-27-2014 08:18 PM)Aldershot Wrote:  

Sorry for the lack of NG spots. Digbeth can be quality. I've heard food things from Harborne and Selly Oak as well, but have never actually been as they're a bit out the way.

As for the women, yeah I just picked hot girls of that race - they are by no means a representation of the average girl, maybe just the extremely hot ones that are rare.

Luisaceo - I've heard Bristol and Aberystwyth in Wales are amazing for students. Don't bother with B'ham.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to start an argument and I appreciate that you went to some effort in putting the OP together, but if you've never been out around Selly Oak or on the University of Birmingham campus, then I can't understand how you can say don't bother with Birmingham for students. You should go daygame on the University of Birmingham campus, have drinks in some of the pubs / coffee shops around Selly Oak etc., and you might change your tune. Loads of friendly, good quality, student girls around.

[Kieran]

(05-27-2014 09:00 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Hey fellas.

I'm a Birmingham based guy and tbh I sorta disagree with a lot of the OP; not that you're necessarily wrong, just different experiences to my 32 years in the city.

It's late now but I'll write a longer post tomorrow from my side of the fence

I also have different experiences. It's not my favourite city in the world, but if you know where to go then it can be good. I'm a bit too busy to put a sheet together at the moment, but I'll try and add any contributions I can to your thread when you post it.

[Saweeep]

Ok, so here’s my version of the Birmingham data sheet.

My age and game style is obviously very different to the OPs so please bare that in mind.

Age: 32

Born and educated in Birmingham. Have lived in other places but domiciled and have businesses based here since pretty much forever. I live in the middle of the city in an upmarket apartment block.

I have concentrated on the City Centre itself so haven’t included all of the suburbs and places close by, of which there are loads. If i had, this would have been a book not an essay

Style of game: Mid sized city High-ish Roller.

I know nothing about anything other than my own experience; hearsay is invariably riddled with inaccuracies so will stick to what I know.

WOMEN

There are tons of women in Birmingham. It is fast becoming a university-centric city centre. Coupled with the city being part of continual waves of immigration over the last 60 years, there is every flavour and variety of women one could ever want.

Eastern/Northern European Women

Back in 2003 the great Polish explosion occurred where swarms of incredibly hot, incredibly sexy Polish girls descended on the city in droves. They were the good old days of non stop blonde pussy decorating my apartment. Although things have slowed down, there is now a more varied supply of women from across the former soviet countries.

These girls can be found anywhere and everywhere but some of the suburbs that less masculine players might be scared of are the best bets. They are very open to approach as their culture rewards alpha behaviour. I do very very well with these girls because I am obviously high value, very tall, manly and older. If you cannot be a silverback with these girls I suggest you stick to other types.

The best part about these girls is because they tend to live with other European immigrants, they maintain their femininity. They are slim, know how to please a man and best of all think nothing of getting up early and tidying and cleaning your place, even if you only met them the night before!

Subcontinental Asian Women

Two distinct types, Indian and Pakistani/Bangladeshi (muslim).

I don’t bother with the Muslim girls. Probably irrationally but I don’t think they are worth the potential trouble that goes along with fucking this community’s women. I don’t need a group of guys coming at me with acid bottles etc for banging their sister.

If these girls are your thing, however, you need to isolate them and aim for the slightly older ones who are into independance; the ones in the CBD wearing business atire etc. Groups of Muslim girls roaming the city are often poorly educated and not open for business.

As I said, however, I wouldn’t bother.

Indian Women, to generalise massively, are split into Hindu and Sikh backgrounds.

In Birmingham, Indians tend to be from higher castes and so are often well educated, financially secure and sexy!

These girls are typical Indian Princesses; i.e. a lot of work!

I love Indian girls so am prepared to make the effort but again, if you can’t walk the high roller walk, don’t bother. They just don’t fuck around with Alphas with no job, I promise. You gotta have the Audi upwards for them to look outside their social circles which are very, very tight.

My access to a lot of these girls is via social circle game as I went to school with lots of HV Indians; they all know one another at this level. I think it would take much too long to penetrate without a social “in”.

Sikh girls are the most fun. They are more laid back than Hindu girls and less Princessy despite often being the wealthiest of subcontinental groups in the city. Again though, social circle is the only way in when they are young. The best thing about the Sikh groups is that the men are just amazing fun; very open to meeting new people and are the hardest drinkers I’ve met outside the Russian/Polish communities. Excellent for business contacts and if you like going for rides in very exotic cars etc.

My words so far on these girls are mostly aimed at when they are young and under massive social pressure to marry. However, once they get older (early 30s) and are actually married there are massive opportunities as arranged marriages are still commonplace (despite what people tell you) and these women look after themselves physically. They won’t leave their provider husbands but they will fuck about with gay abandon.

Where to meet these older women? Upmarket gyms. Hotel lounges at the weekends with their non-asian girlfriends. Spas. That’s about it. Game has to be rich alpha. They won’t fuck you at a bedsit. High end hotel rooms or secluded apartments are the only options. Places where they won’t get seen, basically.

Black Girls

Mostly from Caribbean backgrounds and rarely African, the level of talent is pretty poor to be honest. Very ghetto, very aggressive. Not for me or for anyone else on this board I reckon. I have no interest in these girls so can offer little advice.

My theory on this is that the attractive, ambitious black girls leave the city as quickly as they can tbh.

Chinese/SEA Girls.

There are loads of chinese students here in Birmingham. The only problem is they are incredibly difficult to get to. Only tend to move in groups with about a million gay-looking chinese male hangers on. I reckon if you were Chinese you’d clean up here. Very, very wealthy (my building car park has about 20 £80k+ cars belonging to chinese kids). No idea how to penetrate but the few mixed couples I have seen around seem to be average chinese girl + scrawny beta white kid. Never seen a chinese student here with a swaggering RVF member type.

Mixed race girls

Due to the long history of immigration in Birmingham there are LOADS of mixed girls wondering about of all racial backgrounds.

They tend to be very good looking and under 25 is where the majority are age wise. If you like exotic looking girls without wishing to go to the effort of penetrating tight racial groups, look here.

Standard game is fine with these girls. Nothing magical needed.

White girls.

The middle/upper class girls are few and far between in Birmingham. Most of the educated ones tend to end up in London after graduating with the ones left here being the daughters of the newly rich classes who don’t value education as highly. So the girls still here from this strata are often attracted to alphas like their once poor fathers. A good look, good physique and tight game will get these girls easily irrespective of your own social standing. They can only be found at the high end nightclubs/bars and shops though; you won’t catch them in the supermarket or anything. In fact, they often live with their families in the burbs till their 30s so you may have to go further afield to even find these women.

I personally hate these girls despite feeding on them every day as a young man. They are entitled, shallow, superficial and lazy and have nothing better to do all day than text/fb guys whilst pretending to work in daddy’s business. Thankfully, they tend to be liberal with opening their legs.

Of all the white girls out there I like the ones that come from the working middle classes or upper working class. They have a better grasp on reality and often have proper jobs and appreciate the excitement a fun alpha male can provide. This is the group that has little interest in the ghetto-alpha male unlike the girls above and below them.

However awful this may be, these girls can easily be sold a dream and are putty in my hands as a result.

Chavvy or non working people in the city are truly awful creatures and are to be avoided at all costs; manly traits, potty mouths and questionable personal care routines. Usually either very fat or very very thin. Sadly there are probably more of these girls than all the others added together.


Student girls

Always around in the city. Can be found very, very easily everywhere.





TYPES OF GAME.

Daygame

There are so many losers with no jobs spending their entire day hollering at women in the City Centre that you need to do things a bit differently I think. Suit Day game works wonders here and maybe it’s because I am quite a charming guy but I find girls working pretty much everywhere are open to a polite man chatting them up at any point. They are so used to the rude, obnoxious locals that an encounter with a well spoken man really brightens up their day.I have picked up Mcdonalds drive thru coffee girls, shop girls etc etc simply by not being like everyone else!

Most people on this board say that cars make zero difference but I can tell you in Birmingham that’s not true. Girls who see me arrive in my german whip (lol), dressed nicely are usually very receptive to me before I’ve even spoken to them. Most young guys in nice cars here are drug dealing asian guys (tbh) and are pretty repulsive.

My personal favourites for talking to non working girls are Selfridges & The Mailbox; both high end shopping venues.

I much prefer girls working though; just suits me better.


Online

I have never tried any of the normal dating websites; match, okc, tinder etc so I don’t know what the talent level is like. The only thing I would assume though is that the male user level is very low-class, for the represents the city as a whole. I cannot imagine why one wouldn’t have the same level of success as in any other city though.

I tried SA a few weeks ago for the first time as it is congruent for me. 3 bangs in two weeks seemed a respectable number; it could have been higher I think if I hadn’t been too busy to see anymore girls. Currently have another 3/4 in the pipeline for when I get some time over the coming weeks. It really isn’t hard to earn enough money in Birmingham to be considered a high roller. The only issue with SA is the volume of women isn’t massive despite them all being down, it seems.


NIGHTGAME

I don’t actually like night game any more. I still go out a fair bit though, to stay social, but only on the “circuit” that Birmingham’s chattering classes ride. It is quite a cliquey city in many respects; you see the same faces again and again.

Most younger cats will probably end up on Broad St partying; I haven’t been there for nearly 10 years though.

This sheet will focus, therefore, on the highest level circuit and only those venues I think worth mentioning.


HOTEL BARS:

MALMAISON

My personal favourite of the hotel bars; good location, good feel and a nice crowd although a bit older. Fantastic spot for starting an evening. The tables are close enough together to engage in conversation with those nearby and the bar is small enough to maintain an intimate feel. Great steaks in the restaurant too.

Best times to go are before the night revs up on a friday/saturday or after work times during the week.

HOTEL DU VIN

Not quite what it was since the smoking ban and the closure of the cigar room but still a nice bar. Great loos and decor. You won’t meet lots of women here due to its layout but still a great place for warm up drinks and a chat with your crew.


None of the other hotel lounges are interesting enough to attend tbh.


RESTAURANTS WITH BARS:

There are tons of good places to eat in Birmingham; I am only going to include places that have the opportunity to talk to other people as well on the list.

FUMO

The latest on the go-to-be-seen list. Owned by San Carlo, one of Birmingham’s favourite restaurants, Fumo is a tapas restaurant and bar. If you’ve been around the block in Brum you will most likely recognise about half of the patrons at any given time.

Busy most nights of the week but especially weekends. High end and wanna be high end women. You’ll need to bring your A game just to get through the door, but there are tons of girls here just hanging around looking bored waiting for someone to talk to them.


BANK

Brindley Place’s best bar and restaurant imho. Busy every night of the week after work as it’s surrounded by office blocks with big name companies. Very busy at weekends. Lots of business types. Fantastic massive outdoor smoking area in summer time.

Do not wear a suit here during the week. Go in jeans/jacket and play the too cool for you guys young entrepreneur or something else totally the opposite of the cardboard cutouts. The guys in suits here are as boring as fuck and you wanna aim for the secretary types of women rather than the go getting young exec girls.

At the weekend bank is just busy, period. They do great cocktails so lots of groups of women starting their evening there. As long as you look pimp-daddy enough you will do well here.

I tend not to visit any of the other business centred restaurants.

FLEET ST KITCHEN

Part of the Summer Row complex, which I will talk about in further detail later. The latest high end restaurant in Birmingham with its own little nightclub downstairs.

I’m really well connected at this place but it still surprises me how easy it is to talk to other diners/drinkers. It’s just got that sort of vibe when it’s busy. The food is pretty good and the nightclub downstairs seems to attract groups that don’t want to hit the bigger sister venues next door; these groups can be golden for you once they’ve had a few drinks and realised they’ve run out of things to say to one another.

Dress well here.


MARCO PIERRE WHITE

This restaurant has a champagne bar attached. Same crowd as at the other places mentioned. Dress well, speak well and show some class. Loads of nicely dressed girls looking to meet a “good” man. Don’t be intimidated by these girls; they are just faking it mainly.

If you cannot afford champagne, I would suggest saying you like to only drink high end bottles on special occasions; get the girls qualifying themselves to you. This has worked wonders for some of my less affluent friends. Drink strange cocktails instead; the more colourful the better or neat spirits like a man.



NIGHTSPOTS

SUMMER ROW COMPLEX - APRES AND MECHU

I don’t bother with Apres on weekend evenings; it’s Mechu’s slightly downmarket little brother, although good for the after work crowd on a Friday.

Mechu though has been Birmingham’s premier nightclub for 10 years. I am very, very well connected here so that helps I suppose. It does have an openly racist door policy so if you are a minority and not dressed well/look like you have money to spend, you aren’t getting in.

This place can be as expensive as you want it to be but there are perhaps 10% of the number of high rollers in the venue compared to 10 years ago when everyone was a propertaaaay developer lol.

Dress well. Look good. Plenty of weekend millionaires to contend with.

Good quality of girls. Standard night game applies. VIP area very prominent and imho not worth spending the money on unless it comes for free.

I find super direct game works well here.

STUDENT NIGHT (thursdays) AT MECHU:

Probably the best night to go; it has been rebranded students and young professionals in the last few years. The hottest of the student girls go out here and it is like shooting fish in a barrell if you are older and have tight game.



NUVO

It seems everyone in the city loves this high end place but me. I’m connected here so can waltz in at will but I hate it. Seems to attract the drug dealer/gangster types and assorted wannabees. Seen some massive brawls in here over the years.

On the plus side though the girls are great if a little pretentious. Nothing a good game can’t destroy.

CHAMAELEON

Owned by a former manager at Mechu, a lot of the older crowd go here now instead of Summer Row. I’m connected here too so occasionally pop in. Nothing different to the other two places mentioned. Same faces, same shit.


These are the only three dedicated night spots (although they all do food and daytimes to varying degrees of success) that I would ever go to.


LOGISTICS

I live in the City Centre and if you want to live here and be a game monster, I suggest you do too. A small apartment is all you need and will set you back about £1000 pcm inc bills etc. A car is not necessary if you choose to live here and work close by.

There are cheaper places to live, of course, but nothing beats a spot so close by. Women in Birmingham are just intrinsically impressed by these kind of logistics and it is super easy to bounce them home. Always take them through the front door, always say hi to the concierge etc etc. Easy!

I find that most girls here seem to not like going to hotels with guys they’ve just met even if they are the best ones. I would recommend renting apartments for the night if you are visiting.


INCOME REQUIRED TO BE A PLAYER IN BIRMINGHAM

I think, realistically, if you earn more than £50k p/a you can be a big ish fish in the city most of the time. It’s not hugely expensive but big enough to give you everything you might need.



There are obviously lots of things I haven’t mentioned in this post so if anyone has any specific questions, fire away!

[Constitution45]

I always saw the place to be a hypergamous hell hole, you want to be a rich student or a drug dealer to get anywhere.
Not failing to mention how violent the city centre becomes at night time. From experience the Asian girls are into white and black guys, but if they are seen in public, they will get in a lot shit for it.

[Saweeep]

(05-30-2014 08:49 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

I always saw the place to be a hypergamous hell hole, you want to be a rich student or a drug dealer to get anywhere.

I think being a rich student helps anywhere.

Drug dealers are just guys with good game AND money.

The city can be violent at night, but only if you go to the places that the proletariat attend.

As I said, though, I prefer daytime activities.

There are lots of cute girls here.

[sportbilly]

@ CBW....I was living in Brum for 6 months before coming out to live in Russia. If I move back to UK, guess Birmingham would be my base again, got to say the datasheet is first class.

One question, if I may. I do adore Eastern European women....but I could not seem to find where the highest concentration of them are based in Brum? I was near Broad Street...only daygaming...and I found mainly Asian and Afro Car' girls in this area.......which area(s) are best in Brum for the East Europeans? I guess from your comment about the location...perhaps Handsworth?

[Saweeep]

(05-30-2014 02:05 PM)sportbilly Wrote:  

@ CBW....I was living in Brum for 6 months before coming out to live in Russia. If I move back to UK, guess Birmingham would be my base again, got to say the datasheet is first class.

One question, if I may. I do adore Eastern European women....but I could not seem to find where the highest concentration of them are based in Brum? I was near Broad Street...only daygaming...and I found mainly Asian and Afro Car' girls in this area.......which area(s) are best in Brum for the East Europeans? I guess from your comment about the location...perhaps Handsworth?

Yeah, handsworth, smethwick, all the old school ghettos.

The best way to figure it out is if there are a handful of "Polski Sklep"s about

These girls work hard and don't tend to come into the city unless they have to. My recent Estonian girl had lived here for 5 months…the first time she went into the centre was with me!