[Wadsworth]

(05-20-2014 11:39 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

^ Right on. My mom's a psychiatrist and firmly believes that it's a mental illness. In fact, it was listed on the DSM up until the 70s when gays lobbied to have it removed.

The Soviets declared those in opposition to the state mentally ill. It's laziness, and we often do it for every other behavior that we either fail to explain or find distasteful. Indeed, I've read sentiments on mainstream publications to that effect about MGTOW/MRA.

In fact there is no evidence to support your contention. You might be able to convince me that being transsexual is partially due to mental illness, or that men become gay due to chemical exposure in utero, but homosexuality as a mental illness?

[Parlay44]

(05-20-2014 12:28 PM)Wadsworth Wrote:  

(05-20-2014 11:39 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

^ Right on. My mom's a psychiatrist and firmly believes that it's a mental illness. In fact, it was listed on the DSM up until the 70s when gays lobbied to have it removed.

The Soviets declared those in opposition to the state mentally ill. It's laziness, and we often do it for every other behavior that we either fail to explain or find distasteful. Indeed, I've read sentiments on mainstream publications to that effect about MGTOW/MRA.

In fact there is no evidence to support your contention. You might be able to convince me that being transsexual is partially due to mental illness, or that men become gay due to chemical exposure in utero, but homosexuality as a mental illness?

I could understand homosexuality in prison. A straight guy has sexual needs and is denied an outlet so his mind rationalizes an alternative to appease his needs. Prison is an artificial environment however not found in nature. But to have full access to women and either choose to fuck men or say "I'm not sexually attracted to women" wreaks of mental illness to me.

[debeguiled]

Well.

You all knew this one was coming.

A Christian student at a Christian University complained that a sermon on a verse in the Bible had victimized him, and not only that, he chose perhaps the most beautiful and compassionate verse in all of the Bible:

Quote:

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I am going to post the personal response of Dr. Everett Piper, the president of Okhlahoma Wesleyan University with occasional boldings from me.

Classic retort:

This is Not a Day Care. It's a University!

Quote:

This past week, I actually had a student come forward after a university chapel service and complain because he felt “victimized” by a sermon on the topic of 1 Corinthians 13. It appears this young scholar felt offended because a homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love. In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.

I’m not making this up. Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic. Any time their feelings are hurt, they are the victims. Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”

I have a message for this young man and all others who care to listen. That feeling of discomfort you have after listening to a sermon is called a conscience. An altar call is supposed to make you feel bad. It is supposed to make you feel guilty. The goal of many a good sermon is to get you to confess your sins—not coddle you in your selfishness. The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession, not your self-actualization.

So here’s my advice:

If you want the chaplain to tell you you’re a victim rather than tell you that you need virtue, this may not be the university you’re looking for. If you want to complain about a sermon that makes you feel less than loving for not showing love, this might be the wrong place.

If you’re more interested in playing the “hater” card than you are in confessing your own hate; if you want to arrogantly lecture, rather than humbly learn; if you don’t want to feel guilt in your soul when you are guilty of sin; if you want to be enabled rather than confronted, there are many universities across the land (in Missouri and elsewhere) that will give you exactly what you want, but Oklahoma Wesleyan isn’t one of them.

At OKWU, we teach you to be selfless rather than self-centered. We are more interested in you practicing personal forgiveness than political revenge. We want you to model interpersonal reconciliation rather than foment personal conflict. We believe the content of your character is more important than the color of your skin. We don’t believe that you have been victimized every time you feel guilty and we don’t issue “trigger warnings” before altar calls.
:
Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a “safe place”, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn’t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that’s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that’s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.

This is not a day care. This is a university.

[Off The Reservation]

(11-12-2016 04:20 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Well.

You all knew this one was coming.

A Christian student at a Christian University complained that a sermon on a verse in the Bible had victimized him, and not only that, he chose perhaps the most beautiful and compassionate verse in all of the Bible:

Quote:

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I am going to post the personal response of Dr. Everett Piper, the president of Okhlahoma Wesleyan University with occasional boldings from me.

Classic retort:

This is Not a Day Care. It's a University!

Quote:

This past week, I actually had a student come forward after a university chapel service and complain because he felt “victimized” by a sermon on the topic of 1 Corinthians 13. It appears this young scholar felt offended because a homily on love made him feel bad for not showing love. In his mind, the speaker was wrong for making him, and his peers, feel uncomfortable.

I’m not making this up. Our culture has actually taught our kids to be this self-absorbed and narcissistic. Any time their feelings are hurt, they are the victims. Anyone who dares challenge them and, thus, makes them “feel bad” about themselves, is a “hater,” a “bigot,” an “oppressor,” and a “victimizer.”

I have a message for this young man and all others who care to listen. That feeling of discomfort you have after listening to a sermon is called a conscience. An altar call is supposed to make you feel bad. It is supposed to make you feel guilty. The goal of many a good sermon is to get you to confess your sins—not coddle you in your selfishness. The primary objective of the Church and the Christian faith is your confession, not your self-actualization.

So here’s my advice:

If you want the chaplain to tell you you’re a victim rather than tell you that you need virtue, this may not be the university you’re looking for. If you want to complain about a sermon that makes you feel less than loving for not showing love, this might be the wrong place.

If you’re more interested in playing the “hater” card than you are in confessing your own hate; if you want to arrogantly lecture, rather than humbly learn; if you don’t want to feel guilt in your soul when you are guilty of sin; if you want to be enabled rather than confronted, there are many universities across the land (in Missouri and elsewhere) that will give you exactly what you want, but Oklahoma Wesleyan isn’t one of them.

At OKWU, we teach you to be selfless rather than self-centered. We are more interested in you practicing personal forgiveness than political revenge. We want you to model interpersonal reconciliation rather than foment personal conflict. We believe the content of your character is more important than the color of your skin. We don’t believe that you have been victimized every time you feel guilty and we don’t issue “trigger warnings” before altar calls.
:
Oklahoma Wesleyan is not a “safe place”, but rather, a place to learn: to learn that life isn’t about you, but about others; that the bad feeling you have while listening to a sermon is called guilt; that the way to address it is to repent of everything that’s wrong with you rather than blame others for everything that’s wrong with them. This is a place where you will quickly learn that you need to grow up.

This is not a day care. This is a university.

That's a great post thanks for pointing it out. Intertwined within the Christian tradition lies many of the basic tenants of western culture including the value of growth and learning. The safe space / snowflake movement, which is just national gaslighting against any independent thought, will fall apart from attacks on all sides. This Christian repudiation of snowflakes taking over Universities is most welcome.

[debeguiled]

@Off the Res

I am hoping the Trump election means all of this is just starting, and the SJW stranglehold on expression is a dying dog, and people will return to speaking plainly without fear.