[Giovonny]

(04-15-2014 07:23 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Gio,
In a rush now, but regarding him passing other people's content as his:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17592.html
Read post # 22 by Roosh.

Which in turn links to:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17111-...#pid303004

Read post # 137 by Moma.

I followed those links..

I don't follow exactly what happened?

Roosh was saying that G is mean to newbies..

Some asked G about having success in Toronto..

G posted a successful Toronto story that Qwest posted..

I don't get where the problem is???

You said G stole other peoples information and passed it off as his own..?

Can you provide a link or some proof of that?

Again, I don't doubt it, I would just like to see the evidence..

*****

(04-15-2014 07:35 PM)draguer Wrote:  

The point I was making was that anyone claiming to make 20k before noon as Vac had said, would undoubtedly be very selective as to how they spend their time.

VC was exaggerating when he said G claimed to make 20k before noon. G never said that.

He did claim to live a high end type of lifestyle.

He also hinted at money being made illegitimately.

The number of posts he made was irrelevant to his "work" schedule.

Just because you have money doesn't mean you are working all day.

Some guys are born rich.

I know guys with trust funds who never have to work.

I know guys who inherited commercial real estate and never have to work.

The smart rich people don't work at all!

*****

Wait! There is really no evidence or proof other then some crazy guy on puahate???

We are trusting puahate now for our information?

I don't have enough information to make a decision.

I know G is not the internet persona that he claimed to be but I don't know if he is Rob Wiser or not..?

I don't have enough data to be able to say one way or the other..

[The Lizard of Oz]

This is f'ing ridiculous.

Guys are buying into the idea that G has been "unmasked" based on what -- an "investigation" on puahate by some genius who also believes that G is the same person as Fisto and has generated "75% of the content on RVF"? (that's an actual quote from this troll).

WTF -- what's wrong with everyone?

I have no idea who G is in reality. But I see zero reasons to believe -- none -- that he is who this puahate troll says he is.

[Deluge]

This post by G laid it all to rest for me. If G was faking his travels over the years, Roosh would've been able to tell by looking up his IP. No one has ever tried out his info regarding travel, suits or health and found that they were wrong. Considering all this, how fake can the man behind the persona really be? As for his money, I thought it was pretty obvious from his blog that he's actually a commodities and/or Forex trader.

A lot of people got beef with him because he got into a heated argument with them over Toronto. Yet MiXX, Qwest, International Swagger and other guys said the exact same things about Toronto and no one got their panties into a knot over that with them personally. G is a lightning rod for hate it seems.

[All or Nothing]

thegmanifesto is entertainment with some life advice sprinkled in.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Further. As to G generally.

I'm just going to post some quotes from this page

http://www.rooshvforum.network/reputation.php?uid=377

Quote:

youngmobileglobal (68) - Last updated 10-21-2009, 03:31 PM

Positive (+1): Great advice about France

Luckystar (23) - Last updated 12-13-2010, 07:38 PM

Positive (+1): Invaluable Riga insights. Has solid game advice as well.

Gmac (36) - Last updated 04-12-2011, 01:16 PM

Positive (+1): Always delivers solid information backed up with experience in game, style, women, travel, etc.

Kaizen (11) - Last updated 04-27-2011, 10:39 AM

Positive (+1): Vital member of the forum. Insightful posts coming from a different angle which are also entertaining. Helped with San Diego tips prior to my trip.

Giovonny (141) - Last updated 07-20-2011, 02:55 PM

Positive (+1): Doesn't teach bullshit "pick up lines" or "routines". G teaches the time tested fundamentals for being successful with women; Look good, dress well, speak well, and carry yourself with confidence and flair.

scotian (144) - Last updated 01-16-2012, 03:15 PM

Positive (+1): Recommended an awesoem bar in Bogota, great fashion advice too!

at350zguyy (12) - Last updated 02-06-2012, 12:56 PM

Positive (+1): Thanks for the NYC data sheet. Raoul's is boss.

Moma (55) - Last updated 02-25-2012, 04:38 PM

Positive (+1): For bringing insight on the coconut oil game. I've been trying this shyt and it's bananas both in the pootie game and in the physical game.

Christian McQueen (124) - Last updated 12-14-2012, 02:07 PM

Positive (+1): Rep sheets on La are dead-on. If you haven't gotten QUALITY game/life advice from this cat then you haven't been paying attention.

BlurredSevens (20) - Last updated 08-23-2013, 06:00 PM

Positive (+1): Because of G I now own custom suits, train thai boxing 3-4x weekly, and drink vodka tonics when I got out (to high end venues, of course.) To say he's been influential to me is an understatement.

I could go on but I think I've made my point.

Maybe not all the datasheets are "fake" and not all the knowledge is "bogus".

And maybe guys should have a little more gratitude for someone who has added so much value in ways both large and small to so many men's lives.

[Christian McQueen]

The reality is that if someone hasn't experienced something, then they automatically assume it's probably not possible, or it's impossible.

Guys like G who write with a certain flair (which is great I might add and has helped my writing), and who tell their stories get crucified for it.

I know the feeling. My 4 Bangs In 30 Hours post was controversial as hell, but at the end of the day I don't really give two fucks if people believed it or not. It happened and I have the memories for myself, which is where your validation should come from anyway.


"There's no way you can bang a chick in a nightclub!"

"There's no way you can take a stripper home without buying lap dances!"

"There's no way you have time to post and still travel!" (it's quite easy to post from your phone in an airport etc)

"How the hell can you have a threesome the same night you meet two new girls? I HIGHLY doubt that!"


These statements I've heard and I'm sure many of you have heard as well, if not unfortunately made them. But why?


Isn't the point of this forum is to learn from the giants on the board?

Isn't the point of this forum to learn from the best and better our own lives?

Isn't the point of the 'manosphere' to focus on self-improvement and become the best man we can be?

If these statements are true and we can agree on them, then why the hell do some doubt and try to tear down those who are already there?

Without living an incredible life, it's hard to realize that most of what G writes is quite possible and doable, but it won't happen living in Ohio working at Farm and Fleet.

That's not being harsh. That's the reality.

The irony is that most of the players on this forum who don't doubt G's stories are men who live in major cities. Think there's a link?

I look at this forum as a place to exchange information and learn from all of you.

Hell, I started posting after a spectacular drunken breakup where I got dumped and wanted revenge. You guys helped me and I'm a better man for it. That's why I have dropped so much data and continue to do so through my blog.

Lastly, regarding G not meeting with anyone, he had agreed to meet up with me during Art Basel this year in Miami, but I couldn't make it. Regardless, if he doesn't meet up with anyone, his Game knowledge is DEAD ON.

Like Gio said, just because you haven't met someone doesn't mean that you cannot benefit from the writing.

If in fact the man behind MikeCF was a fat slob (I've met Mike and he's in great shape), would that invalidate any of his great information? He's just recently exposed himself and put up pictures, does that mean his prior information is false? No.

G adds to this forum and the irony of his disappearance (which he's done many times before), is that he can cause a discussion like this.

Haters are going to hate, but the ones truly at the top don't care: They're too busy living the life most only dream about.

I'd rather be hated in my absence then ignored in my presence.


Long live the G

[draguer]

Gio, there are countless possibilities as to how he made his money. It's also possible that his persona is a complete fabrication.

The point is, neither of us have any idea. As I won't take everything I read on the internet at face value, there is reason to have doubt as to the veracity of his persona. As I would when anyone makes a bold claim with limited proof.

Aside from that, his posts have been entertaining and I have benefited from them. I even bought a new pocket square this morning for an event tomorrow night.

[Comte De St. Germain]

Regardless of if he is real or fake, I think he is/was a key part of the RVF culture we have here. Memes, pocket squares, the international playboy, and the classy/wealthy(not extraordinarily but of the one who spends money on travel/experience vs. a sportscar). He may be a fat Irish guy, but he is created a persona of sorts that everyone wants to embody. At the very least, I agree that he has created an image of a perfection. A golden dream of sorts. I'm still barely 18, but even I see that much from him. On his datasheets, I'll let the rest of RVF critique that, and if Vacancier Permanent as well as Ali on the other threads are right then I have the utmost support for their case. I guess I'll stay like opportunistic Italy in WWI. When we see substantial evidence, I'll be jumping on with Vacancier Permanent and Ali because G's arrogance would not be justified if his data is copied/false. Nothing is worse than a man who brags about what he does not have.

Edit: I do admit though, his datasheets are well written in a writer's format, and if all accusations are dropped then I would have the utmost respect for the man. He is man who lives on a plane even I cannot imagine, and he would have every right to brag about what he does or be condescending. Sure it may be rude, but having someone with this much real world experience as well as data deserves it. I would also say his cigar/cigarette opener works like a charm, and I love using it. That and his rebuttal of the original calling out was logically sound as well.

[dotbiz]

First of all, let me say I'm not hating on G.

I always enjoyed reading his blog posts. A lot.

Whether they were true or not, they made me smile and gave me perspectives resp. inspired me somewhat.

Although I don't buy 80% of the shit that is posted in the Puahate thread, at least it's very plausible that the G Manifesto is made up: http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=55522

[Bushido]

McQueen said everything I wanted to say but one more thing:

Bitching about someone in their absence is what girls do.

Are we bitches or are we men?

Some of you need to run an estrogen check. Serious.

Have some respect for the G.

[Rutting Elephant]

Quote:

Excelsior is an Ivy League college student and he has 11,000 posts.

Most Ivy League students have a lot of free time on their hands. It's not a full time job.
Edit: his stuff is great. That part of giovonny's argument was just a little silly.

[Moma]

I thought Dash Global was cool.

[Comte De St. Germain]

[WestCoast]

These threads crack me up. Been a while since I posted and have been able to observe a few posts and it has been eye opening. But to begin lets all take a short moment and laugh hard at all the haters.

1. You're either no where near the same playing field as him.
Or
2. You're broke.

(I will give a pass to elmechanico because he simply hates everything California - one of his MOs)

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I will happily be the first to admit he is one of the only people to positively impact my life without meeting them in person. Roosh for creating this place, gmanifesto Hooligan, HC and WWT.

Short list. Of those only one remains. Of that one that remains I notice next to no one gets value out of his posts and yet I see full on retards with no experience racking up rep points for their theories based on zero real life experience success or knowledge. A bit odd.

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The reason why people doubt and hate always comes down to one of two things. They can't fathom it or they worry they are underperforming. Worry spawns envy which spawns hate. Which one are you? If you don't hate on his persona real or not that tells me more about you than anything. It tells me at least 1) you are a positive person or 2) you are well off. That is where all the negativity comes from. One of the two.

Moma hates on him because of clowning on him over some DR incident on a motorcycle (money)
Alib - clowns on him because of money issues (he has personal money issues)
Vancier - money related - love some of your posts but calling a spade a spade man, hence why he loves Scotians posts which helped change his life... - side note kicker notice Scotians never thinks he is fake! Shocker.

Now you got the second group of haters, where is the difference? The difference is clear, their lives are simply not up to par.

10K+ posts = meaningless that's 3 years and typing on a phone dicking around. Not a useful measure.

Ryan air incident - you are a hater because you are using your own values on someone else. Just because you would personally blow money on a different flight doesn't make it less legit. Grow up.

Then you got people twisting his words. He said he made $20K a month. That is not even a lot of money considering i personally noticed he would "wind down" when his Internet biz got messed up. This was increasingly obvious when Facebook rewired their code and all affiliate marketers had to adjust. He subsequently dropped off. (FFS watch his videos AFF to the face).

Anyway. That about does it for the two groups. You're simply not as good at life as you want to be so the distance between what he writes about and what you personally live is so large that it just ends in jealousy a female trait.

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Has been quite interesting taking an eagle eye view the last month but the unfortunate changes seem to be rippling through, no doubt many quality posters remain but this thread brings up consistent themes "bitching and complaining".

He is better than me I am going to cry! (Why not get better?)
He is a liar! (Translation = i cant relate!)
America is doomed! (so why aren't anonymous123, gringuito, myself complaining about "America")

I will tell you the cold hard truth to this whole joke and why he is hated.

He is showing life on top of the usa

Women have shitty arguments for lots of things but they got one right

"If you're so great why don't you do well here in the USA?"

Dead on Accurate

Guys constantly bitching about being underpaid at work, well please tell me why the fuck you don't start your own company if you are so undervalued? Clearly if you were that valuable of a person you would make more by quitting no? Don't tell me barriers to entry of a measly $25-50K are holding you back. Complaining about your job is basically the adult version of a crying baby.

So in sum...

He causes you to eat those words. Unless you have an international business and can live the best of both worlds it is incredibly stupid to leave the USA if you are on top of the food chain. Most here are simply not and decide to cry about it. Tell your mom don't complain on an Internet forum, at least there you get someone to breast feed you. All those decamillionaires crying on the internet about feminsim... Lol!

I'd rather pay the piper. It has worked so far and things are spiraling out of control (upward). Work hard, build make money fuck chicks live that life. If not?...

Time to look in the mirror gentlemen. Why exactly are you hating? Not there yet? Not at the top? Jealous? Can't keep pace? Underperforming?

Much harder to look in the mirror if someone you view as an equal (because people seem to believe everyone on this forum is equal when they are not) is winning at life.

Don't be bitter. Get better.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(04-15-2014 09:27 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

These threads crack me up. Been a while since I posted and have been able to observe a few posts and it has been eye opening. But to begin lets all take a short moment and laugh hard at all the haters.

1. You're either no where near the same playing field as him.
Or
2. You're broke.

(I will give a pass to elmechanico because he simply hates everything California - one of his MOs)

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I will happily be the first to admit he is one of the only people to positively impact my life without meeting them in person. Roosh for creating this place, gmanifesto Hooligan, HC and WWT.

Short list. Of those only one remains. Of that one that remains I notice next to no one gets value out of his posts and yet I see full on retards with no experience racking up rep points for their theories based on zero real life experience success or knowledge. A bit odd.

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The reason why people doubt and hate always comes down to one of two things. They can't fathom it or they worry they are underperforming. Worry spawns envy which spawns hate. Which one are you? If you don't hate on his persona real or not that tells me more about you than anything. It tells me at least 1) you are a positive person or 2) you are well off. That is where all the negativity comes from. One of the two.

Moma hates on him because of clowning on him over some DR incident on a motorcycle (money)
Alib - clowns on him because of money issues (he has personal money issues)
Vancier - money related - love some of your posts but calling a spade a spade man, hence why he loves Scotians posts which helped change his life... - side note kicker notice Scotians never thinks he is fake! Shocker.

Now you got the second group of haters, where is the difference? The difference is clear, their lives are simply not up to par.

10K+ posts = meaningless that's 3 years and typing on a phone dicking around. Not ause full measure.

Ryan air incident - you are a hater because you are using your own values on someone else. Just because you would personally blow money on a different flight doesn't make it less legit. Grow up.

Then you got people twisting his words. He said he made $20K a month. That is not even a lot of money considering i personally noticed he would "wind down" when his Internet biz got messed up. This was increasingly obvious when Facebook rewired their code and all affiliate marketers had to adjust. He subsequently dropped off. (FFS watch his videos AFF to the face).

Anyway. That about does it for the two groups. You're simply not as good at life as you want to be so the distance between what he writes about and what you personally live is so large that it just ends in jealousy a female trait.

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Has been quite interesting taking an eagle eye tie last month but the unfortunate changes seem to be rippling through, no doubt many quality posters remain but this thread brings up consistent themes "bitching and complaining".

He is better than me I am going to cry! (Why not get better?)
He is a liar! (I am I where near this level)
America is doomed! (so why aren't anonymous123, gringuito, myself complaining about "America")

I will tell ou the cold hard truth to this whole joke and why he is hated.

He is showing life on top of the usa

Women have shitty arguments for lots of things but they got one right

"If you're so great why don't you do well here in the USA?"

Dead on Accurate

He causes you to eat those words. Unless you have an international business and can live the best of both worlds it is incredibly stupid to leave the USA if you are on top of the food chain. Most here are simply not and decide to cry about it.

I'd rather pay the piper. It has worked so far and things are spiraling out of control (upward).

Time to look in the mirror gentlemen. Why exactly are you hating? Not there yet? Not at the top? Jealous? Can't keep pace? Underperforming?

Much harder to look in the mirror if someone you view as an equal (because people seem to believe everyone on this forum is equal when they are not) is winning at life.

Don't be bitter. Get better.

It's why most of the low rep people shouldn't be going against G because he seems to be on another level something the majority of us low rep posters cannot deny. The man is living on Cloud Nine while I'm broke off my ass soon to be college student and I want to be just like what he embodies in 10 years time(maybe even 15-20). Even Ali, Moma, or Vancier embody goals that we want to achieve.C'est la vie wouldn't it be better to honestly learn from everyone unless they are actually degrading other members for not doing as well as them? In the end, the grievance that people seem to be addressing is supposed copy/paste material, which should not be the discussion a critique of his lifestyle or being on a higher place.

[Duke Castile]

Westcoast, I was right there with you almost until the end where you blew it.

The USA sucks cock. I've lived in LA, Vegas,(major cities) and lived in 2nd and third tier cities as well (Colorado Springs, Stillwater OK) and I've been to and partied in every major city worth going to. I'm in Miami now staying in Icon tower in Brickell.

SO I'll just correct you with your own words, you haven't been anywhere or done anything worth a shit outside the US and therefore the distance between what we guys that want to conquer the world do and what you do is too great for you to appreciate it.

Stupid fucking ending to an otherwise decent rebuttal to G's haters.

Personally I've never read anything by the guy, all I know is that he's been cool to me on the forum and seemed like he didn't pussyfoot around.

[WestCoast]

Yep be very smart when you decide who to listen to.
if anyone knows I like this place it is roosh due to private back and forth and all I know is I've observed a turn for the worse as outlined in the post above.

Not at all saying I am going to leave or melt down simply calling it as I see it. There are incredibly obvious failures giving life advice and "experience/opinions" based on nothing and I'll tell you theG is the least suspicious on here.

As a warning rep points over the last 2-3 months in my opinion don't mean squat and you guys need to improve your ability to read between the lines when taking advice from some people on here.

Again only speaking from experience as this was the first time I stopped reading/engaging here and saw a massive increase in my life (everything from game to money).

As an added helper I strongly suggest you guys listen to anonymous123, people like vaun and people like gringuito and wwt. Read hard before listening to something that is appealing to your emotions.

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Fisto I have been to 30 countries. I don't see any point in your rebuttal. If you are making several hundred grand in the USA you're not complaining on the Internet.

As I stated in the post, if you have an international business = good job you win. Otherwise just give me a break.

I have pulled from over 15 countries and have international girlfriends here, I am not going to mess around in a pissing battle.

If we want to encourage people to live off $2K a month in a third world instead of making high six figures in the states and balling it up international then I got no business posting here. Not being nasty but conquering the world on a few g's is not something I aspire to. I just book flights on weekends. I have also stated I can pull the trigger today and do exactly that with cash flow from investments if I wanted to.

Again I have been to an equal number of destinations as you. So yes I do have experience.

Anyway I've said my 2 cents I got no problems with the states or the G or international travel as I've posted more than a few sheets in the past. Good luck guys!

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Edit the rebuttal bolsters my point. He had 20+ sheets yet decided on Miami. Very similar to guys I know who are in the $5M+ range who live in NYC (of course love it!) and decide to stay in the states (better biz opportunities). So it actually jived, again if he was full international (no biz connects in the states) then it would be fishy because places like Moscow and Medellin would be great.

So all in all that actually makes me believe his posts more, but again even if fake it's okay because very few have other innovative ideas without meet ups.

ACV baby!

[Beyond Borders]

Beyond Borders Exposed.

I am the Gmanifesto.

Apparently... http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=123351&page=2 (the beyond borders whistleblowing starts at post#58)

[Duke Castile]

yeah you're the best buddy, keep telling me how great you are and I'll keep laughing.

[The_CEO]

At the end of the day does it matter?
Regardless of where you come down on it, the gmanifesto is still the gmanifesto.

The rest is up to you...

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-15-2014 09:54 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

Westcoast, I was right there with you almost until the end where you blew it.

The USA sucks cock. I've lived in LA, Vegas,(major cities) and lived in 2nd and third tier cities as well (Colorado Springs, Stillwater OK) and I've been to and partied in every major city worth going to. I'm in Miami now staying in Icon tower in Brickell.

SO I'll just correct you with your own words, you haven't been anywhere or done anything worth a shit outside the US and therefore the distance between what we guys that want to conquer the world do and what you do is too great for you to appreciate it.

Stupid fucking ending to an otherwise decent rebuttal to G's haters.

Personally I've never read anything by the guy, all I know is that he's been cool to me on the forum and seemed like he didn't pussyfoot around.

Great topic of discussion!

I am not the type of person to say that the US is the best country in the world, but I do think it is a pretty good country to live in.

There was a time I wanted to leave right after I got back from living overseas.

After some time here, I thought about what I really wanted out of life. I found there are more things for me to get excited here compared to overseas. Normally we have our hands tied being a foreigner when it comes to laws in other countries.

I'm older now (40's) and the thought of partying every day gives me a headache just thinking about it. I just don't find it entertaining any longer and am more interested in healthier living and business activities.

I also don't mind the dirt and grind of some countries, but it gets on my last nerve if I spend too much time in those environments. I don't get off on the chaos like some do.

It's hard to beat the US when it comes to both of those. Higher standard of living for our money and the business opportunities are all around us.

With that said, there is a really good chance I will be relocating to Puerto Rico. I don't think I will be able to pass up the tax savings but luckily being resident there only means living in country 6 months out of the year. 4% Corp taxes and 0% dividends and 0% capital gains. Damn! You are basically getting paid to live in Puerto Rico for 6 months.

I need to check it out if I can ever finish up these damn projects. haha

[eradicator]

Wow, I have not been following this thread but I just read up on it.

I think it is highly unlikely the g really is a professional jewel thief like he writes about on his blog. Do I care? Not really, it is still a fun blog to read.

I am curious, have any of the guys on here (or anywhere) ever met up with the g? I do think he might be a fun guy to hang out with

[WestCoast]

Quote:

yeah you're the best buddy, keep telling me how great you are and I'll keep laughing.
PM Quote

See just so we're clear that was not the point at all.

All you're saying is your current life setup favors being international.

The translation to me is that there is no opportunity for you in the USA as you see fit.

I don't see it that way.

Based on your posts, you also rarely bullshit. If I were you I would actually start a fitness blog and make money in the states. People who look good + in shape can do serious damage. The market is enormous.

Then you would have there best of both worlds making money in the states + you could leave. Don't see how this would not be doable. In addition you would no longer hate the USA because it would be sending you $100K a year off your awesome fitness website/hustle.

Anyway, my point wasn't to say "I'm awesome"

I am just pointing out the painful truth that people who "hate" the USA either 1) don't have good money or 2) don't get laid here.

If you've got both the level of negativity wouldn't be this high. It is ridiculously high around here and makes me question the success of the posters.

Notice those with both see both sides of the coin. Yes international girls are better but would I go there today? Hell no.

Anyway, that is the real painful part I am pointing out. As a personal comment I see no reason why you (fisto) in particular cannot make $100K a year online. You have the right type for it 1) charisma, 2) fitness, 3) decent looking dude, 4) time.

I would start that thing because I would pay for whatever product you came out with. You write an e-book on staying in your ridiculous shape while partying I will guarantee I will pay $10 for that product. I would not pay 1 penny for fuck stories across the globe though, that is just me.

There is 0 shot you can't make a product that is innovative based on your crazy life having stayed in shape through all of it. So much so I am saying point blank I will buy it.

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End derail
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back to haters gon' hate and never mate or appreciate because they can't contemplate the life you can make

[Brosemite]

Dunno much about him but some of his advice has been dead on...his blog on Bogota has me excited about going there....

[lavidaloca]

The point is even if he makes 100k+ in the US fisto still prefers his lifestyle in DR. Thats where you two differ. Nothing wrong with either point of view. I'd probably fall right in between you guys as to my views. Both of you guys appear happy with your chosen lifestyles / goals and that's all that matters in the end.