So I've been lurking around here for a while, but somehow this topic was never really fully covered, so I came here to fix that and share my experience.
First of all to all those who don't know what WeChat is:
Think Chinese "Whatsapp" meeting Facebook with Geolocation functions. It's probably the hottest shit right now in China in terms of social networking, and is probably only second to QQ (which I will not cover here, as I have no experience with it).
Gaming in China and not having either QQ or WeChat is the equivalent of gaming back home without Facebook/Whatsapp/iMessage and whatnot, and believe me in China it's even more important. If you meet a girl in China between the ages of 18-30 and she has a smartphone, she has WeChat and/or QQ.
But, this is just a tool for communicating, which in itself isn't all that exciting.
What is exciting, is that WeChat has a set of tools built in it that are meant to enable you to meet new people, the most important of them being one based on Geolocation.
Using the right techniques, this little piece of software, and that specific feature can completely change your game while in China, so stay tuned.
Before I begin going into details, a few disclaimers and a bit about myself:
First and foremost, I did not come to China with the main intention of flagging, it was in the back of my mind, and subsequently I did, but I mainly came as a tourist, to sightsee and experience. So I definitely didn't game full time or even most of the time.
I'm a mid-twenties white dude, below average height (western standards), average looks, no blond hair, no blue/green eyes, so nothing in that field playing in my favor except for being a foreigner (which is a big deal in most of China). My gaming level is intermediate, and focuses almost solely on daygame.
I can count on my hands the number of things I can say in Mandarin (one of which now being the Chinese word for Orgasm, fuck yeah), so I was gaming strictly in English.
Probably a lot of what I'm going to write now will be irrelevant if you are Asian looking and/or have a good grasp of Mandarin and/or not a tourist.
Currently I had experience with WeChat game in Shanghai, Yangshuo, Chengdu and Beijing, with Shanghai having by far the best results. I will provide field reports later and will keep updating with info as I go along.
Like I said this is a guide for foreign people like me, so you should know who you are in China. You are a Laowai (the less known Chinese equivalent to Gaijin) know it and embrace it. That is what makes you unique.
You will meet 3 kinds of girls: The ones that don’t want anything to do with laowais, the ones that love all things western including men, and the ones that don’t really care what you are as long as you are a cool guy. Obviously your main gaming demographic is the latter two, which is also where you will find most of the girls that speak decent English or at least want to. Sadly though the first group contains probably a big part of the hottest girls around.
Never try to copy Chinese guys, if you can, try to be the complete opposite from them, dress different, act different. Here being a laowai is peacocking enough, so no need to go overboard, just look sharp and western, and don't dress like a tourist.
Girls I met that dated laowais all say the same things: foreigners are better boyfriends, better lovers, and have bigger dicks, and you can be sure that the ones with no experience with dating laowais, heard these stories from the ones that did. What all this means is that you have a major competitive edge, especially being a rare, soon to be gone commodity like a tourist. Use this edge, but use it wisely. Asshole game usually won't take you very far, if I have to give a description to what your game should be I'd say: "Alpha male that is kind enough to have beta mannerisms for this special girl", or if you wish, a gentleman.
Mainland China WeChat Game Guide
Step1: Get WeChat
Download WeChat to your phone, it's available for both Android and iPhone. If you don't have one of those, fucking get one, it's 2014…
Step2: Setup Account
You can link the account to your phone number, Facebook or email, doesn't really matter.
Set up an English username, can be your first name, can be just an Alias like "Mr. Sunshine", just make sure it's something light, fun and easy to understand.
You can also add a "What’s up" line, this will be displayed next to your username. Again write something Simple in English, and make sure it's light, fun and PG13.
Like in any dating site, a good profile pic will make it or break it, so choose wisely. Choose a pic where you look definitely western, cool, maybe with some smile, and if possible light skin (light skin goes a long way in China).
WeChat has a "Wall" like Facebook called "Moments", so post a few more photos of yourself with English caption (just one or two more) and set it to Public view, this is very important.
Posts are separated by date, so if possible don't post them all at once. Also post random stuff like food pics and sightseeing pics, the point is to make it look like a real used account, and make it seem as "real" as possible.
Once you did all this, you are ready to find prospects.
Step3: Getting Leads
There are several ways you can find random girls, but only one is worth the trouble and that's "people nearby".
What that feature does is pull a list of 20 or so people in an up to 5KM radius from you, the more people with WeChat are near you, the closer to you the hits you will get.
You can filter the list by sex, and you obviously should. Once you filter by women it will look something like this:
The way this works, is that you send a short greeting to a girl, and if she is interested to talk, you go into "chat mode", and you are now friends in WeChat, from this point on - Text game.
Now, how to choose good prospects.
First you need to set yourself up in a strategic location that has a lot of girls around. My favorite method was to go for a coffee shop near a shopping center or a university, and looking for prospects while sipping coffee. Also good places are bar areas at night (for immediate extraction) and from your hotel (girls that hang around your hotel will probably be there again, which gives you an option for logistical superiority).
Once you get a list of girls you can go two ways with this, either the Shotgun method or sniping method.
Shotgun means you send a generic greeting to all girls, and wait to see who answers. Sniper means you choose prospects that seem to have high ROI (Hot and look like they know English). I greatly prefer the latter, and from my experience it also provides much better results, so I will focus explaining that.
Unless it's 2AM and you are in a club area trying to catch drunk girls looking for ONS, the distance is irrelevant, so start from the close ones, but treat all as equals.
As a good prospect is one that has at least basic grasp of English and interest in western culture, the first thing to look for is profiles with English names, "What's up" lines, and posts.
Some profiles will have their "Moments" open for view, some won't, I generally skip the ones that don't.
Once you think you found a good prospect, drill down her profile, if her profile pic looks good, make sure there is at least one more pic of her in the profile, and that it matches.
A lot of girls put random pictures of models, usually these girls turn up to be dogs.
Some will have other random profile pics, but real pics in the profile itself, there is gold to be found there so keep a watchful eye.
My rule of thumb is: If she has at least two separate photos of her that match, she looks attractive in all photos, and English appeared somewhere in her profile, she deserves a greeting.
Also I look for girls that have some weird country written as their location, usually these are local girls that are just interested it that specific country or traveling in general, and these girls are extremely responsive to laowais.
Word of warning on profile digging: Like everywhere else, most girls here heavily edit their pictures, usually the focus is on lighter skin, bigger eyes and longer V shaped chins. Sometimes this is painfully obvious and sometimes it's not. Just know that a girl that look like 8 or 9 can go as low as 5 in reality. So look out for edited pics or girls that have all their pics in the exact same pose.
Also there are some scattered working girls, they can be easily identified as they usually have pictures in lingerie, and have QQ or phone # written on their picture.
Example of a bad prospect:
Picture of a model as profile, no real pics, no English.
Example of a good prospect:
Several real pictures, English name and line, interested in western music.
After you chose your prospects, time to send greetings.
The best results come from responding to their "What's up" line or to a unique profile pic, but you don't always have that to work with, so have a generic greeting ready, the one I had the best results with is "ke ai" this is pinyin for the Chinese word for "cute".
I wouldn't advice on actually using Chinese characters in greetings, or texting in general, as the girl will assume you know Mandarin, and will then refuse to use English when talking to you.
Once a girl responded by adding you as a friend and going into chat mode, text game is on.
Another thing that might happen if the girl is hesitant, is that she will send you a greeting back, if this happens keep your responses very short and to the point, if she will be interested at all she will quickly add you after a few back and forths.
Step4: Text Game
If you have text game skills from tinder or dating sites, it will really come in handy here. Sticking to only Roosh's text game guide will not help you (sorry Roosh). Also, unlike tinder and dating sites, here if a girl responded it does not mean that you are past attraction phase, so you will need to build both attraction and comfort via texting.
I thought I had fairly tight text game, but using WeChat for a few weeks took it to a whole other level, so even if you don't get any results, this is great practice.
I won't go into too much details as I can write a whole post only on this type of text game, so I'll just give a few pointers.
Your focus should be on 4 things: Building comfort, gaging the girl's English level, creating basic man-woman frame (i.e. basic attraction), figuring out logistics. In that order of importance.
You can be playful according to the level of English you detect, be more funny than cocky. Exchange information in a fun way ("Guess my age" and stuff like that) until you reach the hook point, and then reduce your response speed slowly and let her fill the blanks and qualify herself.
Just remember that most of these girls won’t have the same English level as you, so sometimes it will take them a long time to respond while they "google translate" the shit out of what you write and what they want to write.
Always do a photo exchange, and try to get a recent one, if possible one she took for you while you text. Don't push for that too much, but remember that this is an important compliance test and a way for you to know better how she looks.
Unless this is a very westernized girl, you can fully reword her by telling her she is cute/beautiful/looks young for her age, they will appreciate it and will usually say the same thing to you. Unlike in the west, here girls know how to reciprocate compliments.
Don't go into planning a date too soon, you can hint that, but unless the girl is literally in a short walking distance from you and have nothing better to do, this will usually turn a red light in their head.
Usually the best way is to talk to a girl over a day, and then the next day reinitiate the conversation and make plans. The excuse to meet can be anything: Language exchange, her taking you to try local food (my favorite), or even just "Hey you look like a nice girl I can trust, let's hang out and you can show me your city".
Notice I didn't say anything about number exchange, personally I find it irrelevant and unneeded in this case. Also, considering most of these girls are better at reading and writing English than speaking and understanding, you are better off to making plans via texting.
Once you set up a date, you are good for the last step.
Step5: Getting Laid
Try to set up your date as early as possible, that way you can hit a lot of venues in one date, and if possible swoop early (I will cover the reason for that later).
Doesn't really matter where you go or what you do as long as you have your end game logistics planned out, I always found a good pub/coffee shop/restaurant near my place beforehand and that was the last venue before seduction location.
Usually I would fit the girl into my already made plans, going to see X tourist trap, trying Y local food, shopping for Z thing.
As a side note, as lone traveling tourist, even if you don't get the bang this is the best way to travel in China, so consider meeting girls you are not interested in banging just for the fun of it. Beats the hell out of sightseeing alone.
Like I said before, be nice, be a gentleman, compliment her, but maintain a dominating solid man-woman frame especially using Kino. The girls here are very receptive to physical escalation, just escalate slowly, and note that a big part of the girls will be hesitant to PDAs, so make sure your last venue before seduction venue has isolation possibilities.
SNL is possible, I have done it, but don't expect it to be common. Patience is your friend here both when texting and gaming face to face, so if you see you will not be getting the bang, it's better not to escalate too much and instead make plans for the next date. Only become a "bad boy" before you plan to swoop, or you will might be flaked on the next date.
General tips:
- Be careful with any girl you plan on meeting, WeChat scams are not unheard of. I gave up a few good prospects because I suspected they might be P4P or KTV girls. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
- Some girls will respond to your greeting in delay, sometimes days of delay. Don't take it as a bad thing, I got my first bang in China from a girl that only responded a day later.
- Chinese girls are strong and independent. Except for one occasion, all girls wanted to pay for me without even mentioning it. Sometimes I stopped them, sometimes I let them pay.
- If you plan on swooping back to your place, do so early. I'm talking about moving to seduction location even as early as 6-7PM.
Most girls, even as old as 27, are still living with their parents, so unless you picked her up from a club at night, they will be expected to come back home at a reasonable time (9-10PM) to not get into trouble.
- As a foreigner, prepare to be stared at a lot anywhere outside of Shanghai and Beijing. This will range from curious stares, to local guys giving you the stink eye, to girls shamelessly eye fucking you, even when with their boyfriend. I tried to open a few of these girls, but same as in Japan, the ones most interested don't speak English.
- If you come to China with the intention of flagging, start with WeChat and supplement it with night game (day game proved to be impossible for me due to the language barrier). Also Shanghai is probably your best bet, though after what I saw I wouldn't really call it a part of mainland China.
- I was always honest about being a tourist, you can obviously say whatever you want. I only had 3 girls losing interest when they heard I'm a tourist, and except for that, for the most part I think it was in my advantage.
I will update later with field reports from my experiences and success.
For all you guys gaming in China, I'd love to hear what you have to say. Also if anyone has experience with WeChat game outside of China I'd love to hear about it too.
First of all to all those who don't know what WeChat is:
Think Chinese "Whatsapp" meeting Facebook with Geolocation functions. It's probably the hottest shit right now in China in terms of social networking, and is probably only second to QQ (which I will not cover here, as I have no experience with it).
Gaming in China and not having either QQ or WeChat is the equivalent of gaming back home without Facebook/Whatsapp/iMessage and whatnot, and believe me in China it's even more important. If you meet a girl in China between the ages of 18-30 and she has a smartphone, she has WeChat and/or QQ.
But, this is just a tool for communicating, which in itself isn't all that exciting.
What is exciting, is that WeChat has a set of tools built in it that are meant to enable you to meet new people, the most important of them being one based on Geolocation.
Using the right techniques, this little piece of software, and that specific feature can completely change your game while in China, so stay tuned.
Before I begin going into details, a few disclaimers and a bit about myself:
First and foremost, I did not come to China with the main intention of flagging, it was in the back of my mind, and subsequently I did, but I mainly came as a tourist, to sightsee and experience. So I definitely didn't game full time or even most of the time.
I'm a mid-twenties white dude, below average height (western standards), average looks, no blond hair, no blue/green eyes, so nothing in that field playing in my favor except for being a foreigner (which is a big deal in most of China). My gaming level is intermediate, and focuses almost solely on daygame.
I can count on my hands the number of things I can say in Mandarin (one of which now being the Chinese word for Orgasm, fuck yeah), so I was gaming strictly in English.
Probably a lot of what I'm going to write now will be irrelevant if you are Asian looking and/or have a good grasp of Mandarin and/or not a tourist.
Currently I had experience with WeChat game in Shanghai, Yangshuo, Chengdu and Beijing, with Shanghai having by far the best results. I will provide field reports later and will keep updating with info as I go along.
Like I said this is a guide for foreign people like me, so you should know who you are in China. You are a Laowai (the less known Chinese equivalent to Gaijin) know it and embrace it. That is what makes you unique.
You will meet 3 kinds of girls: The ones that don’t want anything to do with laowais, the ones that love all things western including men, and the ones that don’t really care what you are as long as you are a cool guy. Obviously your main gaming demographic is the latter two, which is also where you will find most of the girls that speak decent English or at least want to. Sadly though the first group contains probably a big part of the hottest girls around.
Never try to copy Chinese guys, if you can, try to be the complete opposite from them, dress different, act different. Here being a laowai is peacocking enough, so no need to go overboard, just look sharp and western, and don't dress like a tourist.
Girls I met that dated laowais all say the same things: foreigners are better boyfriends, better lovers, and have bigger dicks, and you can be sure that the ones with no experience with dating laowais, heard these stories from the ones that did. What all this means is that you have a major competitive edge, especially being a rare, soon to be gone commodity like a tourist. Use this edge, but use it wisely. Asshole game usually won't take you very far, if I have to give a description to what your game should be I'd say: "Alpha male that is kind enough to have beta mannerisms for this special girl", or if you wish, a gentleman.
Mainland China WeChat Game Guide
Step1: Get WeChat
Download WeChat to your phone, it's available for both Android and iPhone. If you don't have one of those, fucking get one, it's 2014…
Step2: Setup Account
You can link the account to your phone number, Facebook or email, doesn't really matter.
Set up an English username, can be your first name, can be just an Alias like "Mr. Sunshine", just make sure it's something light, fun and easy to understand.
You can also add a "What’s up" line, this will be displayed next to your username. Again write something Simple in English, and make sure it's light, fun and PG13.
Like in any dating site, a good profile pic will make it or break it, so choose wisely. Choose a pic where you look definitely western, cool, maybe with some smile, and if possible light skin (light skin goes a long way in China).
WeChat has a "Wall" like Facebook called "Moments", so post a few more photos of yourself with English caption (just one or two more) and set it to Public view, this is very important.
Posts are separated by date, so if possible don't post them all at once. Also post random stuff like food pics and sightseeing pics, the point is to make it look like a real used account, and make it seem as "real" as possible.
Once you did all this, you are ready to find prospects.
Step3: Getting Leads
There are several ways you can find random girls, but only one is worth the trouble and that's "people nearby".
What that feature does is pull a list of 20 or so people in an up to 5KM radius from you, the more people with WeChat are near you, the closer to you the hits you will get.
You can filter the list by sex, and you obviously should. Once you filter by women it will look something like this:
The way this works, is that you send a short greeting to a girl, and if she is interested to talk, you go into "chat mode", and you are now friends in WeChat, from this point on - Text game.
Now, how to choose good prospects.
First you need to set yourself up in a strategic location that has a lot of girls around. My favorite method was to go for a coffee shop near a shopping center or a university, and looking for prospects while sipping coffee. Also good places are bar areas at night (for immediate extraction) and from your hotel (girls that hang around your hotel will probably be there again, which gives you an option for logistical superiority).
Once you get a list of girls you can go two ways with this, either the Shotgun method or sniping method.
Shotgun means you send a generic greeting to all girls, and wait to see who answers. Sniper means you choose prospects that seem to have high ROI (Hot and look like they know English). I greatly prefer the latter, and from my experience it also provides much better results, so I will focus explaining that.
Unless it's 2AM and you are in a club area trying to catch drunk girls looking for ONS, the distance is irrelevant, so start from the close ones, but treat all as equals.
As a good prospect is one that has at least basic grasp of English and interest in western culture, the first thing to look for is profiles with English names, "What's up" lines, and posts.
Some profiles will have their "Moments" open for view, some won't, I generally skip the ones that don't.
Once you think you found a good prospect, drill down her profile, if her profile pic looks good, make sure there is at least one more pic of her in the profile, and that it matches.
A lot of girls put random pictures of models, usually these girls turn up to be dogs.
Some will have other random profile pics, but real pics in the profile itself, there is gold to be found there so keep a watchful eye.
My rule of thumb is: If she has at least two separate photos of her that match, she looks attractive in all photos, and English appeared somewhere in her profile, she deserves a greeting.
Also I look for girls that have some weird country written as their location, usually these are local girls that are just interested it that specific country or traveling in general, and these girls are extremely responsive to laowais.
Word of warning on profile digging: Like everywhere else, most girls here heavily edit their pictures, usually the focus is on lighter skin, bigger eyes and longer V shaped chins. Sometimes this is painfully obvious and sometimes it's not. Just know that a girl that look like 8 or 9 can go as low as 5 in reality. So look out for edited pics or girls that have all their pics in the exact same pose.
Also there are some scattered working girls, they can be easily identified as they usually have pictures in lingerie, and have QQ or phone # written on their picture.
Example of a bad prospect:
Picture of a model as profile, no real pics, no English.
Example of a good prospect:
Several real pictures, English name and line, interested in western music.
After you chose your prospects, time to send greetings.
The best results come from responding to their "What's up" line or to a unique profile pic, but you don't always have that to work with, so have a generic greeting ready, the one I had the best results with is "ke ai" this is pinyin for the Chinese word for "cute".
I wouldn't advice on actually using Chinese characters in greetings, or texting in general, as the girl will assume you know Mandarin, and will then refuse to use English when talking to you.
Once a girl responded by adding you as a friend and going into chat mode, text game is on.
Another thing that might happen if the girl is hesitant, is that she will send you a greeting back, if this happens keep your responses very short and to the point, if she will be interested at all she will quickly add you after a few back and forths.
Step4: Text Game
If you have text game skills from tinder or dating sites, it will really come in handy here. Sticking to only Roosh's text game guide will not help you (sorry Roosh). Also, unlike tinder and dating sites, here if a girl responded it does not mean that you are past attraction phase, so you will need to build both attraction and comfort via texting.
I thought I had fairly tight text game, but using WeChat for a few weeks took it to a whole other level, so even if you don't get any results, this is great practice.
I won't go into too much details as I can write a whole post only on this type of text game, so I'll just give a few pointers.
Your focus should be on 4 things: Building comfort, gaging the girl's English level, creating basic man-woman frame (i.e. basic attraction), figuring out logistics. In that order of importance.
You can be playful according to the level of English you detect, be more funny than cocky. Exchange information in a fun way ("Guess my age" and stuff like that) until you reach the hook point, and then reduce your response speed slowly and let her fill the blanks and qualify herself.
Just remember that most of these girls won’t have the same English level as you, so sometimes it will take them a long time to respond while they "google translate" the shit out of what you write and what they want to write.
Always do a photo exchange, and try to get a recent one, if possible one she took for you while you text. Don't push for that too much, but remember that this is an important compliance test and a way for you to know better how she looks.
Unless this is a very westernized girl, you can fully reword her by telling her she is cute/beautiful/looks young for her age, they will appreciate it and will usually say the same thing to you. Unlike in the west, here girls know how to reciprocate compliments.
Don't go into planning a date too soon, you can hint that, but unless the girl is literally in a short walking distance from you and have nothing better to do, this will usually turn a red light in their head.
Usually the best way is to talk to a girl over a day, and then the next day reinitiate the conversation and make plans. The excuse to meet can be anything: Language exchange, her taking you to try local food (my favorite), or even just "Hey you look like a nice girl I can trust, let's hang out and you can show me your city".
Notice I didn't say anything about number exchange, personally I find it irrelevant and unneeded in this case. Also, considering most of these girls are better at reading and writing English than speaking and understanding, you are better off to making plans via texting.
Once you set up a date, you are good for the last step.
Step5: Getting Laid
Try to set up your date as early as possible, that way you can hit a lot of venues in one date, and if possible swoop early (I will cover the reason for that later).
Doesn't really matter where you go or what you do as long as you have your end game logistics planned out, I always found a good pub/coffee shop/restaurant near my place beforehand and that was the last venue before seduction location.
Usually I would fit the girl into my already made plans, going to see X tourist trap, trying Y local food, shopping for Z thing.
As a side note, as lone traveling tourist, even if you don't get the bang this is the best way to travel in China, so consider meeting girls you are not interested in banging just for the fun of it. Beats the hell out of sightseeing alone.
Like I said before, be nice, be a gentleman, compliment her, but maintain a dominating solid man-woman frame especially using Kino. The girls here are very receptive to physical escalation, just escalate slowly, and note that a big part of the girls will be hesitant to PDAs, so make sure your last venue before seduction venue has isolation possibilities.
SNL is possible, I have done it, but don't expect it to be common. Patience is your friend here both when texting and gaming face to face, so if you see you will not be getting the bang, it's better not to escalate too much and instead make plans for the next date. Only become a "bad boy" before you plan to swoop, or you will might be flaked on the next date.
General tips:
- Be careful with any girl you plan on meeting, WeChat scams are not unheard of. I gave up a few good prospects because I suspected they might be P4P or KTV girls. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
- Some girls will respond to your greeting in delay, sometimes days of delay. Don't take it as a bad thing, I got my first bang in China from a girl that only responded a day later.
- Chinese girls are strong and independent. Except for one occasion, all girls wanted to pay for me without even mentioning it. Sometimes I stopped them, sometimes I let them pay.
- If you plan on swooping back to your place, do so early. I'm talking about moving to seduction location even as early as 6-7PM.
Most girls, even as old as 27, are still living with their parents, so unless you picked her up from a club at night, they will be expected to come back home at a reasonable time (9-10PM) to not get into trouble.
- As a foreigner, prepare to be stared at a lot anywhere outside of Shanghai and Beijing. This will range from curious stares, to local guys giving you the stink eye, to girls shamelessly eye fucking you, even when with their boyfriend. I tried to open a few of these girls, but same as in Japan, the ones most interested don't speak English.
- If you come to China with the intention of flagging, start with WeChat and supplement it with night game (day game proved to be impossible for me due to the language barrier). Also Shanghai is probably your best bet, though after what I saw I wouldn't really call it a part of mainland China.
- I was always honest about being a tourist, you can obviously say whatever you want. I only had 3 girls losing interest when they heard I'm a tourist, and except for that, for the most part I think it was in my advantage.
I will update later with field reports from my experiences and success.
For all you guys gaming in China, I'd love to hear what you have to say. Also if anyone has experience with WeChat game outside of China I'd love to hear about it too.