[Quintus Curtius]

I think this goes to show that feminine beauty is equally prized by both men and women. To understand dykes, you have to imagine them as just another type of "man". Which they are, in a sense.

Female beauty is a commodity that is becoming increasing valuable, since the supply is plummeting while the demand for it keeps increasing.

[Basil Ransom]

I ran into another one of these couples, but unfortunately I didn't get to talk to them to piece things together. The funny thing though is in this specific instance, the 'butch' one was formerly straight, she had had a boyfriend I was told, in recent years. The butch girl would be a 5 or 6 at best with feminine style, and she was well below that with her butch look. I could understand her, the ugly 5, becoming a lesbian because she couldn't secure a decent man.

But that still doesn't explain why the cute girl she was dating, while not a smokeshow this time, was still a solid 7.5.

Looking back on this thread, I'd chalk it up to the two factors I mentioned earlier:

1. Cock trauma - she has been pumped and dumped so many times that she is averse to getting emotionally invested in men. But she still craves that emotional connection. To get that emotional connection from a man, she'd have to lower her standards, because she's been fucking studs out of her league all her life, and they aren't about to see her as wife material. And she just can't handle that huge downgrade. Even if no one else really cared, she'd think everyone would see her as a loser for settling with a dork when she's been rutting with cool dudes all along.

2. It's Diiiiiiiiiiiifferent - In that vein, a lesbian is like a guy with a foreign accent. Suddenly the fact they are otherwise an average guy is irrelevant; everything he does is seen in a positive light. I've witnessed this with my own eyes, the Italian guy spitting sappy game at an American girl that would never work in a million years on her coming from a non-celebrity American male. She's no longer dating a decently cool American guy, but OMG AN ITALIAN HE'S SO ROMANTIC. Lesbians, like Italians, are just on a whole other metric in these girls' minds.

3. Gay is cool - When homosexuality was more taboo, the social opprobrium a girl faced for dating a woman was enough to not even consider a lesbian relationship. Now, it's the opposite, as 2Wycked pointed out. Girls get cultural brownie points for dating other women now. We may see more post-wall women becoming lesbians, because they have trouble finding men to emotionally connect with and commit to them.



(from iop890)

4. History of drug abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse or other mental trauma. These things can change people in all kinds of ways. This is a factor some of the time, surely, but it wouldn't explain why we're seeing more and more of these dime and troll couples increasing over time.

I don't really buy the aggressiveness explanation, because a hot girl can find that without issue. That explanation may make sense for a girl who isn't so hot, sure. What I *do* see is girls punishing men for behavior like aggressiveness or neediness that they reward in women. And that ties back to my reason #2 above.

My earlier reasoning, which I stand by.

(03-01-2014 09:11 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

I've heard that girls in lesbian relationships can be a lot needier. And I feel like a lot of girls are craving an emotional connection, yet at the same time utterly reject men who show serious interest. I've had girls vaguely insinuate I was needy - or suspected they thought as much - because I wanted to bang them again the next week. All that spur of the moment cock in her past has shut down her ability to connect, and has her repulsed by any efforts at it. But when a girl shows emotional interest, the beta alarm doesn't go off. In her mind, it's okay that a GIRL is needy. A guy has no such room for fault of that kind.

So maybe it's that she's so dysfunctional that she only lets women penetrate her emotional barriers. Or just that she develops these far more readily than with men, even if her sexual contact with men is generally far greater.

As for the fine Thai girls dating tomboys, I have a Thai-American friend who knew of such a girl. He's not very red pill, but he said of the fine girl that due to her past relationship, she was a bit 'scared' of men, scared of being cheated on and mistreated, and going lesbian was a safe choice. I think the strong acceptance or indifference to homosexuality in Thailand is a big factor there - but I'm not sure if it's increasing in Thailand as well like it has here.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

It's trendy. It's on TV and in the movie! That makes it like the Backstreet Boys circa 1999. Women are nothing if not followers. And the massive anti-male sentiment of America 2014 only adds to it.

I also think today's adult culture plays into what younger women are doing.

I could just see Yuppie parents justifying their daughters going lesbian by saying something like "I'd rather have her with a secure, responsible gainfully employed woman that one of today's (gasp!) men."

Also, this is just an assumption, but I wonder if guidance counselor and psychologists aren't pushing women into this:

"I have such problems with men!"

"Have you ever seriously thought about dating women?"

And, finally, there are the colleges and their anti-male courses in sociology and Women's Studies, which in a sane society would qualify as hatred but in ours is respected.

[Basil Ransom]

(07-05-2014 12:42 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I could just see Yuppie parents justifying their daughters going lesbian by saying something like "I'd rather have her with a secure, responsible gainfully employed woman that one of today's (gasp!) men."

Haha, I laughed because this sounds so incredibly real. I can very easily imagine some yuppie parents saying something like that, although instead of "today's men" it would be like "today's immature men."

(07-05-2014 12:42 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Also, this is just an assumption, but I wonder if guidance counselor and psychologists aren't pushing women into this:

"I have such problems with men!"

"Have you ever seriously thought about dating women?"

Ha, I could see this happening more and more with time. I doubt many shrinks would say something like that now, in the future, who knows?

(07-05-2014 12:42 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

And, finally, there are the colleges and their anti-male courses in sociology and Women's Studies, which in a sane society would qualify as hatred but in ours is respected.

I think the pervasiveness of pop culture means its misandry lite accounts for much more than the shrill man-hating of academia or coincidentally, lesbians.

[Basil Ransom]

I just stumbled on this: http://www.xojane.com/sex/my-trans-partn...ts-removed

Cliffs: Bangable Toronto XOJane writer formerly dated men, in high school, went lesbian after, and is now dating a female to male pre-op transvestite. The author dyes her hair pink and writes for XOJane, in other words, she's a world class attention whore, in one of the world capitals of Anglo progressivism.

I think we'll see more of this, as 'trans' is the new frontier, and lesbians will increasingly openly hate the transsexuals as the transsexuals snag female hotties. A friend of mine said he knew a hot girl who was dating a 'transsexual' who was really just a dude that played dressup.

[Lizard King]

The feminine girls are submissive and want to surrender/be dominated.

It is a psychological need, more than it is a sexual need, therefore the butch dyke can meet it.

[Lucario]

I think these lesbians have their own kind of game and their own kind of way that spins the hamster of a woman to the point where the woman is hooked. But either way, game recognised.


This kind of thing is bad because a once pretty woman can become an ugly dyke, this is why I do not like lesbians and their hamster spinning tactics.

Women are most feminie when they are straight.

Even wikihow has a disgusting way of manipulating girls...this thread is right, lesbians are our competition, they are competing for our hot straight girls.

http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-an-Hetero...for-Girls)

This Julia chick practically got her hamster spun so hard that she ended up believing she was a lesbian. If only a true alpha approached her.

But this also proves how powerful a dominating presence is, it changed her sexuality completely, she was dominated more harder than anything and could not find a man that could dominate her just as hard, so convinced herself that she is a lesbian.

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/in...112AARWxtP

Quote:

Julia


Well, I've never turned a straight girl gay, but I've been turned myself. I was straight throughout high school and never even thought about kissing another girl. One of the girls in my dorm during my freshmen year was a lesbian. One night after a party, she told me she was very attracted to me. I had just broken up with a pretty dumb frat boy at the time, and we were both a little drunk so I let her kiss me. One thing led to another and somehow we ended up in my room and she was fingering me. I remembered looking into her eyes that night and thinking that I've never felt this way toward anyone else before.

I was pretty freaked out the next morning because I couldn't picture myself being a dyke, so I avoided her for a few days. I couldn't stop thinking about her though, so eventually I told her what my fears and hangups were. She introduced me to her lesbian friends on campus and listening to them recount their own experiences helped me come to grips with my feelings. When I broke up with my first girlfriend (the one who turned me), I tried going out with a guy, but I couldn't bring myself to really want him. Since then, I've been way more attracted to girls than to guys.

If you have some other gay friends in school, maybe you can invite her to hang out with your group. I became alot more comfortable with being a lesbian once I got to know the other girls better and saw that they had gone through the same things I was going through. I hope this helps! I always wondered if those Christian camps that claim to turn gays into hetero works, and if it did, then it would only be fair if there were a camp that turned straight girls into lesbians That would make things alot easier! heehee

[Foolsgo1d]

(07-05-2014 02:00 PM)Trev Wrote:  

The feminine girls are submissive and want to surrender/be dominated.

It is a psychological need, more than it is a sexual need, therefore the butch dyke can meet it.

haha, they try and meet it.

There is a reason why these dykes have higher rates of physical abuse towards their other half than a lot of men. They just cannot process dominance from being a controlling, abusive cunt.

[Lizard King]

(07-09-2014 06:20 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(07-05-2014 02:00 PM)Trev Wrote:  

The feminine girls are submissive and want to surrender/be dominated.

It is a psychological need, more than it is a sexual need, therefore the butch dyke can meet it.

haha, they try and meet it.

There is a reason why these dykes have higher rates of physical abuse towards their other half than a lot of men. They just cannot process dominance from being a controlling, abusive cunt.

That makes a lot of sense. There is an element of control in successful male/female dominance, but not the neurotic or possessive type.

Many lesbian relationships end up celibate too.

It would be interesting to know how common this was among the butch dyke/feminine lesbian couples.

[Foolsgo1d]

From what I have seen with lesbians and hot "straight" looking girls is that they like shoving it in any mans face.

I worked a shift and this group of ugly lesbians came in and they were rocking this cute, straight girl like a new handbag. Rocking it in front of me and a co-worker that is.

They were all over her and I would hazard a guess the alpha dyke of the group was fingering her in the cinema. They try their hardest to turn straight girls into lesbians but when it doesn't happen and they then see that girl with a man they turn nasty.

[JustJay]

The thing that I learned about lesbians in the US is that they can cross over the fence anytime they want.

I had a friend who knew a few lesbians 1 dyke, 1 not who I later became decent friends with. The dyke was sisterly would be attractive if she just grew her fucking hair out and often tried to flaunt masculine traits of dominance. She was kinda my wingman at times which was kinda funny.

The non butchy one at the time was manipulative in some cases. But I initially thought she was going through a college phase because she invited me over after I got back from the gym to hang out. We were chillin and bullshitting and then I told her that I'm going to wash up and change clothes. So I grabbed my stuff and ran some hot water in the tub and after about 10 minutes she comes in to talk about something and then she takes a look down in the tub. Next thing I knew after i finished up she wanted to make a sex tape. She was a 7 at best but had a phenomenal body. I declined on the sextape but she was needy enough to have sex anyway. After I was done, she insisted that i don't tell the community. I eventually told my dyke friend she had a runner, her stunned look was priceless.

There were a few more flings with the alleged lesbian then I moved out. when I came back a few years later she was still sticking to the status. but worse. She cut her hair butch short and gained like 40 pounds. she literally looked like an oompa loompa. The sad part was that she still considered herself attractive after converting her looks to that of a 13 year old boy.

I'll never completely understand the lesbian culture, but somewhere along the lines I feel that they want to be treated like a feminine heterosexual woman.

[CRR]

I personally guarantee that at least 90% of the hot girls who are lesbians suffer from, as so aptly put above, cock trauma. It's a phase they go through.

Remember when Amber Heard was a lesbian? Now she's with Johnny Depp. Of course I realize that's just one example, and a celebrity one at that, but the other main reason outside of cock trauma would be attention. As we know, women need attention to survive, and since (again, as aptly stated above) gay is cool, a broken hot girl has a new avenue to get that attention.

[RockHard]

(03-04-2014 04:14 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

Most Toms are vile I hate them. I've seen them overstep the mark with people's girlfriends a few times too.

Interestingly, a Thai friend of mine told me that the Dees don't return the favour sexually in a lot of cases. It's all the Tom.

In US slang, that's a "pillow princess" - she wants to receive but not give.

I was googling tom-dee and the first hit was an article claiming that hardcore Toms won't even disrobe so they don't shatter the illusion of not being male. That actually really lends itself to hard core S&M, where the guy never gets fully naked. It's all a power trip with the girl surrendering completely and the guy being aloof.

[Bacchus]

Another example of this is Ireland Baldwin, daughter of Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, dating Angel Haze, a rapper miles away from a breakthrough.



Baldwin towers a full head above Haze, but it's Haze who has dominant hand position. Do you think that Baldwin would accept a no-name male rapper with the build of Lil Wayne? No. This is who she used to be with:



In her world, being a lesbo is cool, but eventually, she will find some new man.

[Basil Ransom]

Yes, I think the explanation comes down to Cock Trauma + Brownie Points for being gay.

Western women are so afraid of being considered a homophobe that they will never mock a woman for dating a lesbian troll, whereas they'd have absolutely no problem mocking a woman for dating an ugly, low status man.

[Redwood]

i assume that butch lesbians are typically more masculine than your average beta.

lesbos got game too.

[Lucario]

(07-11-2014 12:56 AM)Redwood Wrote:  

i assume that butch lesbians are typically more masculine than your average beta.

lesbos got game too.

lesbo game could quite possibly be one of the strongest forms of game out there.

I mean you have 5'2-5'4 ugly fat lesbos with short hair with the biggest self entitlement complex I ever seen picking up hotties.

I know people say they are masculine than a beta...but it can't be just that, there has to be more to their game, there are plenty of masculine short ugly fat guys who cannot pick up if their life depended on it.

this sort of game needs to be dissected and analysed.

My guess is that it starts with first screening for damaged girls and comfort building and possibly using some mutant version of shaming tactics.

[Basil Ransom]

"i assume that butch lesbians are typically more masculine than your average beta."

That's not the relevant comparison. Are lesbians more masculine than all the guys going after the same hot girl? No, not really.

[Redwood]

also helps to remember that women are generally more narcissistic than an average guy as well. if fat, ugly lesbos can bang hot chicks, that should help betas at least attempt to step their game up.

[Foolsgo1d]

(07-11-2014 01:14 AM)Lucario Wrote:  

(07-11-2014 12:56 AM)Redwood Wrote:  

i assume that butch lesbians are typically more masculine than your average beta.

lesbos got game too.

lesbo game could quite possibly be one of the strongest forms of game out there.

I mean you have 5'2-5'4 ugly fat lesbos with short hair with the biggest self entitlement complex I ever seen picking up hotties.

I know people say they are masculine than a beta...but it can't be just that, there has to be more to their game, there are plenty of masculine short ugly fat guys who cannot pick up if their life depended on it.

this sort of game needs to be dissected and analysed.

My guess is that it starts with first screening for damaged girls and comfort building and possibly using some mutant version of shaming tactics.

They're women and know how they think. Their target also does not expect or can counter another woman's affections as easily as a guy can be put down.

[___]

You guys hit most of the key points/causes...all boils down to increasing amounts of mental illness in our "advanced" societies.

As a poster mentioned above, game definitely recognized.

[General Stalin]

Ugh, I have a relevant story for you (I posted this elsewhere on the forum a while back but forget where):

There is this breakfast joint I frequented with a good friend of mine once a week for a month or two. There was this gorgeous tall drink of water that worked as a hostess/bus-girl there. Tall, wavy blond hair, thin, very feminine, pretty face, bright blue eyes, luscious lips, sexy voice, solid 8. Starting making small talk with her when she would walk by our table and built up some good rapport. She seemed to be digging me so I got her number and told her to come to my band's show one night.

I called her later on in the evening to give her the details and said she would be there with a friend of hers (lame). She shows up looking like a knockout - lipstick, heels, white dress, I just wanted to bend her over and give you the business right over one of the tables in the venue in front of everyone. She brought along this fucking dyke troll friend of hers. Short butch chick. Busted, little boy hair cut, white trash piercings (lip and eye brow), baggy pants and shirt etc. After my set her and I go outside alone and start chatting. She speaks beautiful fluent french, she witty, charming, wordly, totally winning me over. I ask her what she's up to says she has to run because she has to be up early to work at the breafast place in the morning.

I text her the next day to setup plans and lo and behold that ugly troll who tagged along is her "girlfriend" and she plans on remaining faithful to her. Says us hanging out would be a bad idea because her dyke felt threatened by it and she respected her wishes; and she acknowledges that we get along every well.

This girl was a smoke show and obviously down with the dick, but she is wasting her time with this low value, white-trash looking dyke.

[infowarrior1]

Reminds me of:

[Lucario]

I'm surprised no one posted this. I mean this isn't even game, it is considered sexual harassment if guy did this.

But this proves how way too easy it is for an average slim girl to pull this off.

The girls in the vid are not even running game, they are talking in a submissive dad pan tone. The only thing game worthy is "making the move", which many of use can do.

The only real example of game is calibration which was displayed with the beach bikini girl in part 3 where she picked up on the super obvious cue that the girl wants to kiss her.

The sexual energy is there, but this is stuff I'm sure forum guys can replicate and be met with disappointing results.


The main question is, how does a man beat lesbians this game or replicate this sort of flowing game ? Baring in mind that these girls are of average height and looks, but slim....which most guys can replicate pretty easily.

[la_mode]

It's an odd by-product of the feminist movement. Not even the most feminine man has a chance against the most masculine woman, when it comes to getting a woman. Strange but true.