[germanico]

Shit transplants. Im not kidding, its a thing.

[Global Entry]

For starters, my prejudices are against a meat oriented diet (I eat seafood and a lot of duck and chicken eggs, but pretty rarely ingest any significant quantity of pork/chicken/beef/lamb/turkey, etc - i'll sometimes eat game animals (haha yes those game animals too) but in china, where I live, a lot of things that we think of as game animals are raised for consumption).

I take a lot of my knowledge on food/body/health issues from a brilliant nutritionist friend who counsels many people on holistic approaches to their health (and is a fantastic chef who makes very healthy food - he even eats grass-fed beef).

One of my favorite quotes of his (he's kind of a guru) is that "You cannot cure chronic disease with acute medicine." This would apply to both taking pills over a 30 day period to increase the gut bacteria and benefit digestion, and to cleanses of various types that people promote as cure-alls. Neither one ever has proven to provide long term benefits in any scientific review that I've ever heard about. However, I won't include a complete fast, which as opposed to being a medicine, enlists the body's own systems, and seven day fasts, if you can hack it (I probably cannot, nor do I wish to try at this point) do seem to have demonstrable benefit.

So what's left? Lifestyle as medicine, and I agree with a lot of the prior posters on this topic. A diet regularly rich in fiber (not just in the skins of fruit and vegetables, but plentiful there to be sure, as are many of the vitamins and other benefits (phytochems, anti-oxidants) and in probiotics (I eat fermented vegetables, Chinese and korea style, many times each week as a dietary stable, and enjoy kefir when I am in the USA, even though the USA brands are loaded with sugar. Also drink Pu-er, which is a fermented tea popular in China, and good for digestion as well) will definitely reduce inflammation and help gut health. Adding in legitimate supplements to be take over a long course of time, ones made without additives and cellulose and other things that may affect your ability to fight off disease using your bodies' own systems) can be helpful as well, but it has to be viewed as part of a system, not a bandaid on one problem area that is expected to heal. If you get into the habit of eating truly whole foods, approaching things from the basis of getting your body's pH as close to water as possible (by making sure you eat enough base foods to offset the acidity created by many popular foods like meats and dairy), you'll be on the long trek towards slowing down the aging process, keeping healthy, reducing fatigue, and joint pain, and many other benefits, including mental acuity.

Also have lots and lots of sex.

Its a marathon brothers, not a sprint.

[sheesh]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...84877.s003

Prebiotics can have interesting effects but it really depends on the bacteria strain. Simply eating plain vanilla yogurt from the supermarket shelf won't cut it.

[CrackerJack]

This "shit" holds a lot of promise.

A little trivia. All autistic people have a damaged gut biome. There are no autistic people with a healthy digestive system. Gut/Brain connection define telly exists.

There are studies linking gut flora with a spectrum of diseases from dermatitis to cancer.

[Global Entry]

yep this is true.

(03-03-2014 05:31 PM)CrackerJack Wrote:  

This "shit" holds a lot of promise.

A little trivia. All autistic people have a damaged gut biome. There are no autistic people with a healthy digestive system. Gut/Brain connection define telly exists.

There are studies linking gut flora with a spectrum of diseases from dermatitis to cancer.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

sheesh Wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...84877.s003

Oh yes! Mouse studies! Because academics never lie on mouse studies, and mouse studies always apply 100% to human physiology!

crackerjack Wrote:

A little trivia. All autistic people have a damaged gut biome. There are no autistic people with a healthy digestive system

That a rather far-reaching statement to make. While autistic people do have a high rate of gastrointestinal disturbance, I think it's a bit extreme to claim that 100% of them have a damaged gut biome, especially since the published research I could find is not of great quality. Also, the published research focuses on regressive autism, a specific subtype, so it's not fair to then assume that it applies to all autism in general.

I know that once on the internet, pretty much every second person becomes a healthier-than-thou keyboard jockey, but let's try to avoid broad dogmatic statements that might confuse people who don't understand the underlying science.

You're welcome to disprove me if you can refer me to a quality research article or review.

[CrackerJack]

crackerjack Wrote:

A little trivia. All autistic people have a damaged gut biome. There are no autistic people with a healthy digestive system

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That a rather far-reaching statement to make. While autistic people do have a high rate of gastrointestinal disturbance, I think it's a bit extreme to claim that 100% of them have a damaged gut biome, especially since the published research I could find is not of great quality. Also, the published research focuses on regressive autism, a specific subtype, so it's not fair to then assume that it applies to all autism in general.

It is broad and far reaching. You can call it my "gut" feeling. Show me 1 (one) example that it isn't the case.
Don't confuse studies analyzing outward symptoms like constipation and diarrhoea as the only markers of gut inflammation. You can have an inflamed gut without any outward symptoms. Colonoscopy and stool analysis is where it's at. One of the reasons why colon cancers are such big killers.

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I know that once on the internet, pretty much every second person becomes a healthier-than-thou keyboard jockey, but let's try to avoid broad dogmatic statements that might confuse people who don't understand the underlying science.

You're welcome to disprove me if you can refer me to a quality research article or review.

This isn't a China Study with 50 years of research to prove otherwise,
Heavy research on microbiota and biofilms is fairly new and has a bit of a "holistic" stigma attached to it from Western medicine which focuses on acute intervention and trauma. Prevention is not it's forte.

There are few interesting studies linking micro biome and biofilms to all sorts of chronic ailments, antibiotic resistance, diabetes and amputations, etc, but this is all fairly new and dismissing it due to lack of research is catch-22 and defeatist.

I agree my statement was a bit bold, but limited available data is not proving it otherwise.

[Citlalli]

So what specific type of yoghurt, milk or any other easily accessible fermented foods do people recommend?

[sheesh]

(03-03-2014 11:50 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

sheesh Wrote:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...84877.s003

Oh yes! Mouse studies! Because academics never lie on mouse studies, and mouse studies always apply 100% to human physiology!

What is your problem ? No one is giving out guarantees that this will be applicaple to humans 100 % but it's interesting nonetheless.


I've been experimenting with certain strains and am quite amazed by how much more relaxed I have become and how much my sleep has improved.

Google the term "psychobiotics" to learn more.