[Akula]

(02-18-2014 05:55 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

Upon contemplating on this further, I realized I let my own biases and yellow fever warp my description of German women.

By and large, they can vary quite a bit in terms of appearance and quality, and it's impossible to talk about this either way without making any rough generalizations.

There are indeed quite a few women who take good care of themselves, and univeristy campuses tend to have an overall higher quality. I made the mistake of comparing German women to Chinese, Japanese and Korean. Contrasted to these three Groups, German women do indeed seem bulky, cold and masculine. I'd probably have a different impression if I compared them to American women (who I'm really no longer qualified to discuss with any accuracy anyway, since it's been half a lifetime since I've lived in the States).

Compared to the average American woman they are practically goddesses. But that still does not make Germany the greatest place to 'game' as I think lots of posters have said -- there are factors to consider that make it not the place to go if you have lots of other options for sure. The cold and dreary weather in the northern half is one reason too. And the obesity factor is coming on big time there too...lots of overweight women..the generally heavy diet can't help.

Hamburg and Munich are two of Germany's wealthier cites too, so you'd expect them to have their share of attractive, well-dressed ladies. And I've been there a fair bit and to Stuttgart as well and would say the quality while better than the US is certainly not anything like EE. Funny but when I was in Munich a couple of the hotter girls I saw were Turkish (!!). I find that in cities in Germany its a little bit like Vienna whereby if I see some hot non-blond, real slim attractive girl done up in a more feminine way 8 times out of 10 she's Serbian, Russian, Kazakh etc. But there are also many fit attractive German girls too, but they know it and have an inflated sense of value typically a la the US (but, again it's still much better than in the US).

Also, the 'ratings scale' here is, as usual on this forum, pretty subjective, and I maintain that a lot of what guys from the US or UK call "7s and 8s" would be 5.5s-6-7s in much of Russia or Eastern Europe...or Asia too maybe. That's not a criticism per se it's just that your scale recalibrates once you've lived abroad for a period of years and adapted to women who are more feminine and know how to dress and look pretty.

[TheDealCloser]

(02-17-2014 03:05 PM)gloeb Wrote:  

Germany is shit for pickup, like Sargon mentioned.
The only places where you can find girls with a bitchshield that is not <9000 are the techno underground clubs (they are slowly coming back).
The problem is that most girls fear to be called a slut when they make out or go home with someone. Good way is, like Sargon mentioned, go to tourist bars/clubs where a more international crowd is.

Peep it! All my experiences with Cold Approach pick up has come in Berlin. I have been here nearly two years. Before that, I was married for 10 years. I'm 33. I have had a tremendous amount of success with the women here and have learned a lot. I am also able to critique the faults I made with women while gaming them. This is something that has played a huge role in my success with women here.

Before moving, I had a few affairs while I was married but had no clue on what I did right versus what I did wrong to slay a bitch. I was a White Knight in shining armor with a fresh coat of gloss. That has since changed.

I became alpha by taking massive action and believing that I am the most attractive man this side of the Atlantic ocean and I still am. I don't get every chick I want but when I am out with my main piece she notices women staring at me!

Berlin is a social circle city also and people are colder here than in Munich or Hamburg from my experience. I think this is due to the amount of tourists and expats living in Berlin so the Berliners get the "oh another one" mindset. If you can hone your skills here, pulling chicks some place else should not be that difficult.

I don't have a social here and don't need one to pull chicks. I do have social proof at two of the best clubs in the city knowing the DJs, bartenders and other staff. I have two male friends here and that's it. No female friends. Every chick I have banged of the 70+ has come from cold approach pick up. That is not a lifetime notch count, that is since arriving here. Not one came from an introduction via someone else. I prefer it like that because I don't have to worry about negative comments coming back on the friend that introduced me if things go south.

I have had many SNLs here but I am a master of the day 2 in Berlin. I've learned that if a chick in Berlin is willing to meet you alone one to three days after your initial contact, she is willing to fuck as long as you don't fuck it up. They will never pull the trigger either so you must and most will go with it. Masculinity goes a LONG WAY and don't be afraid to tell the truth. You don't have to sugar coat shit for these women. Many of these chicks are just looking to fuck. Wear your condoms though!

Berlin isn't the place for everyone but if you want to get good at pick up with different types of women or rule out women, this is a great city to do it in. Kinda like learning to drive a car in San Francisco; The hills and other motorists will piss you off but they will prepare you for the open high like no other.

[TheDealCloser]

(02-17-2014 05:05 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I can quote about 8 friends/coworkers that say Germany is a puss paradise. 3 of them eventually married local gals and went native. All are/working on U.S. bases, and had money to throw around. I've seen the pictures that proved top talent German, Polish, and Russian chicks. I would love to run a 1 year contract over there and smash touristy bishes in Frankfurt on weekends. The German chicks I've met were always cool and receptive to masculinity.



edit-Masculinity-Stands when you pee.

You must know that German chicks that travel or have traveled are far more open than those that don't. I have met many chicks that seem cool as fuck but aren't looking for anything more than attention. Russian and Polish chicks are completely different than Germans even if they are born here.

Regarding the US military and German women, those chicks want to berry their US flag just like you want a German flag. Easy pickins but that is in Southern Germany only.

[TheDealCloser]

(02-18-2014 05:02 AM)augen sehen Wrote:  

I live in Berlin, and I can categorically say that German women are, on the whole, hotter than American girls. They are white with good skin, many of them have light eyes and hair, most of them are not overweight (makes a BIG DIFFERENCE) and are usually polite if not outright sweet to strange men.

Berlin is not really a city for high heels and full makeup, but most women do take pride in their appearance and have a minimum of face paint when they go out, day time or night. There are plenty of 7's and 8's walking around, they're just all bundled up because... German weather.

Don't concentrate only on German women though, I found them hard to game unless you know German and have an in with a social circle. There are many foreigners from other European countries here and they are way more open.

Where do you see plenty of 7s and 8s outside fo Ku' damm and Mitte in Berlin? White with good skin and light eyes is your preference, that doesn't make a woman more beautiful than a half German half Jamaican.

I agree with your statement, Berlin is not the city for heels and make up but if you go out in Mitte and Charlottenberg, you will find just that.

[rhr]

(02-17-2014 10:49 AM)WD-40 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 10:44 AM)Frank Wrote:  

So, what do you think of the women there and how did you adjust your game?

I adjusted my game by leaving the country.

Couldn't have said it better! When it comes to the "quality" of women in Germany, only one word comes to my mind: Garbage!

Sure, some of you might have had luck here and there, but the overall picture is not unsimillar to Denmark. And you've all read Don't Bang Denmark, haven't you?!?

My recommendation: Stay-the-fuck-away!!!

(source: lived there for 20+ years...)

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[svenski7]

@augensehen:

No, Germans are not better looking than Americans. They are the fattest people in Europe and Americans are slightly fatter. It doesn't matter because it's inexcusable.

Let's try to quantify:

Level of obesity in women:
Germany: 7
USA: 9

Level of Feminism (read grrl power!):
Germany: 8.5
USA: 7

Applicability of Game to improve your lot in life (Day Game, Night Game, Club Game, etc...)

Germany: 4-5
USA: 8-9

The German apologists on this forum are puzzling to me. I lived there and I speak the language. I visited Mainz, Munich, Dresden, Jena, Düsseldorf, Dortmund and Nürnberg. Nice places for everything except what this forum is dedicated to. The exception being Berlin BECAUSE OF THE FOREIGNERS (backpackers, EU workers) who are DTF.

I have a feeling a lot of the guys preaching the virtues of German women just passed thru the Frankfurt airport or left the barracks once or twice while deployed.

There is a reason why Roosh didn't write Bang Germany and wrote Don't Bang Denmark. There is a reason why so many page views to rooshv, RVF and ROK come from German IP addresses. There is a reason why so many of our German forum members are living it up as expats.

The best advice on this was already given earlier: Don't waste your time. Go to EE or SEA.

[Sourcecode]

Roosh also didn't write a bang France or a bang Bangkok.
That doesn't mean they are bad places. Roosh isn't the god authority on where a person can enjoy themselves

[Sargon of Akkad]

I think to sum Germany up one could say the following...

- While you can find quality there, the average German woman is nothing to write home about.

- You're most likely to have positive experiences with women in the major cities, mainly Berlin, Munich and Hamburg. However, these places are NOT representative of the rest of the country.

- While one night stands between strangers do occur, they are far less common. One should be mindful of the dominance of social circle game among the locals and not expect the same kind of hookup and one-night stand culture one may be accustomed to in other countries.

- German cities and University towns are fairly international, so if the average German girl is not your cup of tea, there are many other nationalities and ethnicities for you to choose from.

All in all: I'd say Germany is certainly not pussy pergatory, due in part to the amount of options, but it is far from an ideal place for guys on this forum. If you go there, go for the culture, history and the architecture. I would advise agsainst going there specifically for the women.

[TheDealCloser]

(02-19-2014 03:26 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

I think to sum Germany up one could say the following...

- While you can find quality there, the average German woman is nothing to write home about.

- You're most likely to have positive experiences with women in the major cities, mainly Berlin, Munich and Hamburg. However, these places are NOT representative of the rest of the country.

- While one night stands between strangers do occur, they are far less common. One should be mindful of the dominance of social circle game among the locals and not expect the same kind of hookup and one-night stand culture one may be accustomed to in other countries.

- German cities and University towns are fairly international, so if the average German girl is not your cup of tea, there are many other nationalities and ethnicities for you to choose from.

All in all: I'd say Germany is certainly not pussy pergatory, due in part to the amount of options, but it is far from an ideal place for guys on this forum. If you go there, go for the culture, history and the architecture. I would advise agsainst going there specifically for the women.

I totally agree with this.

[WD-40]

(02-19-2014 03:26 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

All in all: I'd say Germany is certainly not pussy pergatory, due in part to the amount of options, but it is far from an ideal place for guys on this forum.

A true pussy purgatory is a place where instead of asking your girl to give you a hand, the only choice you are left with is to ask your hand to give you a girl. So by that measure- no, Germany is not a pussy purgatory in the strict sense. But it still ranks pretty low compared to its EE neighbors and even compared to other countries in Western Europe. It tends to be a country that guys want to get out of rather than into.

I would, however, advise Australians to take a second look at Germany. Specifically, Aussie men who are tall (over 6'), well-spoken and good-looking can do extraordinarily well, as there seems to be a niche of attractive German women that really go for Aussies.

In general, other Anglos such as Americans or Canadians will not be able to do much better in Germany than they can at home.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

I experienced more in Koln in 3 days than I do back home in 1 month.

[Atavistic]

Come to think of it a Bang Germany would be nice. I know a German from there who bangs a lot of different attractive German women. Not sure how he does it, but he seems always like a high-energy person, has good looks and is very direct. I lived there for 5 months and didn’t get any action whatsoever. I approached mostly German women in German, but as soon as I told them I was American I think they lost interest. I speak the language quite fluently.

Questions:

Which city is best for a ONS say visiting for a few days?


It seems the three cities Berlin, Munich and Hamburg are my best bet if I travel back anytime soon. I plan to only talk to the foreign women there.

[BoiBoi]

I can only repeat myself here, Berlin is incredibly easy for ONS.

I've had some of my easiest lays there. Easy as in walk into the club/ bar and leave the place 20 min later with a chick and I'm not talking mud turtles here. Be it domestic or forgein, lot of chicks in Berlin want the dick.

Think about it, more than 50% of the people living in Berlin are not born in the city. This means that there are lots of females without a big social circle and hence, limited supply of distraction. Additionally, Berlin is well-know for being a party place and what kind of tourist does this kinda city attract? Exactly, party sluts. Also, take into consideration that my fellow countrymen don't approach too much or not at all and do the maths yourself.

I would go as far as saying that if you struggle to get laid with mediocre chicks in Berlin, you need to revise your game.

[Flint]

As a German or an American who speaks the language you simply cannot use all the concepts of game like it is taught by Strauss or Roosh and expect it to work exactly like in the US. The way Germans socialize and forge friendships is quite different from what people usually do in America and many other countries.

The situation has improved over the years, I think, but in general it is safe to say that small talk is still widely unheard of and the concept is alien to most Germans. A few examples: while it is perfectly acceptable in Britain or the US to say "Beautiful weather, isn't it?" to a random stranger, many Germans would think you must be weird and have some mental issues in order to say that to someone you don't know. In Anglophone countries it's pretty common to ask "How is it going/How are you doing?" to greet people and to introduce yourself. You can reasonably expect that the other person says good, fine or great in 95% of the cases even if they feel bad. The question simply serves a social function and for native speakers it is clear that it is just chitchat that has no meaning. In German, "How you doing" will always be understood as a literal question and as a native speaker I only ask this people whom I know and who I actually care about. In addition to that, Germans put things quite literally and are not very subtle when it comes to conversations, especially when they speak English. The playful, ironic banter you can enjoy with people of both sexes in the US and Britain is existent here to an extent but not very entrenched in the everyday life. Also, people in general do not use the term friend lightly. Americans call everyone they know and like a friend, in Germany you would more often just be a buddy or good acquaintance. It takes several months until people consider you a real friend but then they will be extremely loyal to you.

All of which, affects the way you need to game German girls. When I lived in the US, I could be sober, walk up to a girl at a party and say things like "Hey girl, how is it going?" I think had the foreigner bonus at the campus I was studying at, so I felt that this was not exactly the greatest but a legitimate way to strike up a conversation with a girl. It never hurt me, at least.

The same sentence in German would be something like "Na Kleine, wie geht's? Alles klar bei dir?" but phrased like this you can't say it to the overwhelming majority of girls because it would come off as incongruent and unnatural to her ears. Also, despite all the rants about American feminism, I think when a man walks up to a woman in the US, it is clear to both parties what it's about it and I found it easier to create sexual tension with American girls as they also push for it when they like you and they accept their roles in the game. Not so your Fräuleins: first, German guys rarely approach and she is just not used to it. Many German girls sound extremely rational and robotic when you talk to them as if you are about to negotiate an insurance policy. It's like they never learned how to be sweet, seductive and feminine when they talk to a guy.

So, how to game here then? I agree that most German guys get laid and date through social circles. If you ask people how they met their girlfriends in 98% they will say through friends, study groups at university, work, common hobbies or a sports club. While this seems the usual way people find their partners around the world, at least among my British and American friends I hear WAY more often stories like "Well, I saw this chick in a book store and asked for her number" than from Germans.

If you come here, social circle game is certainly a safe bet but I daresay cold approaching works fine during the day and in clubs can get you laid just as well. SNLs in cities other than Munich, Berlin, Hamburg or Köln are rare but it's possible. Like BoiBoi said, Berlin is without a doubt the best place for it. Period. There are countless illegal open air raves and street festivals in the summer as well as great electronic music clubs, and if you have your shit together you can pull here with ease and even fuck in the venue. If you have an exotic bonus like TheDealCloser and greekkamaki, it will only help you and many chicks dig well-dressed "ethnic" guys (for the lack of a better word, since Germany is so white).

Another advice: Go direct.

I only started to cold approach abd to daygame last year, so my experience is sort of limited but I made the observation that you should not beat about bush when you walk up to girl. Like I said, people here don't get subtleties, so don't try Day Bang-style elderly chat but make your intentions clear from the very first moment on. Work on a sonorous voice, show a calm and confident demeanor, tell her what you think of her and go for the number close. No frills, no palm-reading bullshit, no negging. After I tried it a few times, I was surprised how powerful it is. In the last four months I only made about 20 approaches (result: 9 numbers, 5 dates, 1 bang, otherwise very polite and relatively pleasant rejections) but it convinced me enough to do rely more on daygame. Also, several girls, even 7s and 8s, told me that they were never approached by a guy during the day before which made me wonder.

The problem with indirect game is that you might get her into a conversation that feels good and she might even give her your number. But when you ask for a date, she acts completely surprised as she already has a boyfriend and was just trying to friendzone you. Male-female interactions here are very asexual and it's a common move. The female mindset is rather something like: "Why is he not interested in discussing genetically modified corn and renewable energies with me and my boyfriend? Why does he wants to be alone with me and go to a bar?"

TL;DR If you wanna have SNLs, go to Berlin. Use direct game during the day and filter out the boring chicks as there are plenty of them. Don't expect normal female behavior and adjust your game to extremely rational-minded girl types.

[svenski7]

Hey Flint,

Great analysis. I think you summarized the situation pretty well.

There's no doubt you can get laid in Germany, especially Berlin. I would just caution North American RVFers learning Indirect Game who think they are headed to Munich to bang some blond Oktoberfest Fräulein with big tits. It's probably not going to happen. Your return on investment is so much greater in EE.

The only thing I disagree with is the "friendship is different in Germany" argument. Friendship is definitely different in Germany but not because Germans are somehow "screening" acquaintances (Bekannte) before promoting them to friend (Freunde) status.

It's because their definition of friendship is inherently different than that of North Americans. You don't really have the frat boy "bros before hos" mentally over there. I got the feeling that it really was every man for himself.

Drank too much and got kicked out of the club and need to borrow 10 euro for the taxi home? Some Turkish guys want to start some shit at the bar? You opened the set first so you expect dibs on your girl if she's feeling your vibe?

These are the situations when the "Freundschaft" goes completely out the window IMHO.

I hung out with some great exchange students from all over the world that I still keep in touch with. One of them actually introduced me to game (Strauss) but I was too stupid to read the book and take it seriously because of a LTR.

Sometimes I look at the news out of Germany regarding their immigration situation and I think about my experience:
A whole lot of international students who didn't really get along with Germans so we hung out at an Irish Pub and did our own thing.

Isn't that just a microcosm of parallel societies popping up over there?

[Hispanic_Reasoning]

(02-19-2014 06:23 PM)Flint Wrote:  

As a German or an American who speaks the language you simply cannot use all the concepts of game like it is taught by Strauss or Roosh and expect it to work exactly like in the US. The way Germans socialize and forge friendships is quite different from what people usually do in America and many other countries.

The situation has improved over the years, I think, but in general it is safe to say that small talk is still widely unheard of and the concept is alien to most Germans. A few examples: while it is perfectly acceptable in Britain or the US to say "Beautiful weather, isn't it?" to a random stranger, many Germans would think you must be weird and have some mental issues in order to say that to someone you don't know. In Anglophone countries it's pretty common to ask "How is it going/How are you doing?" to greet people and to introduce yourself. You can reasonably expect that the other person says good, fine or great in 95% of the cases even if they feel bad. The question simply serves a social function and for native speakers it is clear that it is just chitchat that has no meaning. In German, "How you doing" will always be understood as a literal question and as a native speaker I only ask this people whom I know and who I actually care about. In addition to that, Germans put things quite literally and are not very subtle when it comes to conversations, especially when they speak English. The playful, ironic banter you can enjoy with people of both sexes in the US and Britain is existent here to an extent but not very entrenched in the everyday life. Also, people in general do not use the term friend lightly. Americans call everyone they know and like a friend, in Germany you would more often just be a buddy or good acquaintance. It takes several months until people consider you a real friend but then they will be extremely loyal to you.

All of which, affects the way you need to game German girls. When I lived in the US, I could be sober, walk up to a girl at a party and say things like "Hey girl, how is it going?" I think had the foreigner bonus at the campus I was studying at, so I felt that this was not exactly the greatest but a legitimate way to strike up a conversation with a girl. It never hurt me, at least.

The same sentence in German would be something like "Na Kleine, wie geht's? Alles klar bei dir?" but phrased like this you can't say it to the overwhelming majority of girls because it would come off as incongruent and unnatural to her ears. Also, despite all the rants about American feminism, I think when a man walks up to a woman in the US, it is clear to both parties what it's about it and I found it easier to create sexual tension with American girls as they also push for it when they like you and they accept their roles in the game. Not so your Fräuleins: first, German guys rarely approach and she is just not used to it. Many German girls sound extremely rational and robotic when you talk to them as if you are about to negotiate an insurance policy. It's like they never learned how to be sweet, seductive and feminine when they talk to a guy.

So, how to game here then? I agree that most German guys get laid and date through social circles. If you ask people how they met their girlfriends in 98% they will say through friends, study groups at university, work, common hobbies or a sports club. While this seems the usual way people find their partners around the world, at least among my British and American friends I hear WAY more often stories like "Well, I saw this chick in a book store and asked for her number" than from Germans.

If you come here, social circle game is certainly a safe bet but I daresay cold approaching works fine during the day and in clubs can get you laid just as well. SNLs in cities other than Munich, Berlin, Hamburg or Köln are rare but it's possible. Like BoiBoi said, Berlin is without a doubt the best place for it. Period. There are countless illegal open air raves and street festivals in the summer as well as great electronic music clubs, and if you have your shit together you can pull here with ease and even fuck in the venue. If you have an exotic bonus like TheDealCloser and greekkamaki, it will only help you and many chicks dig well-dressed "ethnic" guys (for the lack of a better word, since Germany is so white).

Another advice: Go direct.

I only started to cold approach abd to daygame last year, so my experience is sort of limited but I made the observation that you should not beat about bush when you walk up to girl. Like I said, people here don't get subtleties, so don't try Day Bang-style elderly chat but make your intentions clear from the very first moment on. Work on a sonorous voice, show a calm and confident demeanor, tell her what you think of her and go for the number close. No frills, no palm-reading bullshit, no negging. After I tried it a few times, I was surprised how powerful it is. In the last four months I only made about 20 approaches (result: 9 numbers, 5 dates, 1 bang, otherwise very polite and relatively pleasant rejections) but it convinced me enough to do rely more on daygame. Also, several girls, even 7s and 8s, told me that they were never approached by a guy during the day before which made me wonder.

The problem with indirect game is that you might get her into a conversation that feels good and she might even give her your number. But when you ask for a date, she acts completely surprised as she already has a boyfriend and was just trying to friendzone you. Male-female interactions here are very asexual and it's a common move. The female mindset is rather something like: "Why is he not interested in discussing genetically modified corn and renewable energies with me and my boyfriend? Why does he wants to be alone with me and go to a bar?"

TL;DR If you wanna have SNLs, go to Berlin. Use direct game during the day and filter out the boring chicks as there are plenty of them. Don't expect normal female behavior and adjust your game to extremely rational-minded girl types.

How you move with German girls is how I move with girls in general. I don't like going too fast like how you need to do with Americans because I don't open up to people quickly (not that I am afraid of approaching, it's just I don't open up easily because of my personality). and I don't call anybody a friend either. plus, I like friendzoning girls to see if they're worth my time, and if they are, then I'll escalate things. I know most guys on this forum oppose my way of doing things, but it's just how I do, and it works for me. if a chick doesn't want anything with me, then I'll send her to the curb.

[amity]

Absolutely spot on analysis from Flint there, really nailed it, this is exactly the same kind of experiences I had with German women and German people generally, but wasn't able to articulate anywhere near as well as this - also completely agree on 'going direct', not necessarily caveman style, but certainly let her know you're talking to her cos you're attracted to her, otherwise it's straight to the friend zone for you sir

[Sourcecode]

(02-17-2014 03:05 PM)gloeb Wrote:  

Germany is shit for pickup, like Sargon mentioned.
The only places where you can find girls with a bitchshield that is not <9000 are the techno underground clubs (they are slowly coming back).
The problem is that most girls fear to be called a slut when they make out or go home with someone. Good way is, like Sargon mentioned, go to tourist bars/clubs where a more international crowd is.

You have one post. Which is hating on your own country. You simply have bad game. Suck it up..

(02-17-2014 05:05 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

I can quote about 8 friends/coworkers that say Germany is a puss paradise. 3 of them eventually married local gals and went native. All are/working on U.S. bases, and had money to throw around. I've seen the pictures that proved top talent German, Polish, and Russian chicks. I would love to run a 1 year contract over there and smash touristy bishes in Frankfurt on weekends. The German chicks I've met were always cool and receptive to masculinity.

edit-Masculinity-Stands when you pee.

I have never met one person personally that has actually had a bad time in Germany. Every friend I have has came back wanting to go back. Both north ,central and south Germany.

I find it hard to believe that Germany's obesity level is so high..because I rarely see fat Germans. They must know they are fat and stay inside.
On the ground. I would still say that americans and british people are much worse than germans.


I theorize that most of the hate over Germany are from guys that simply aren't as good at game as they think they are AN OR can't adjust their game.
This forum is full of slavophiles that think eastern europe is the poosy paradise. or SEA is the best place to get laid.
Too many people seem to expect that they are gonna be welcomed with open legs in Germany. Thats not realistic at all. Germany isnt a borderline third world place like Poland/Ukraine ect. And you aren't gonna get the white god factor like you would in SEA.
Better economy, different laws,different culture. You aren't coming to Germany with a baseline higher status. You aren't special. You have to put in real work just like everyone else.
Women aren't gonna come to you just because you think you dress nice and are from a different country.

I see post complaining that germans are cold and unperceptive. So are Slavic women. Damn near all of them will sit there and stare a wall silently while you talk. Theres almost no difference in first impression of Germans VS Slavs

I see other post complaining that germany works hard on social circle game.
Where the fuck does social proof not work?!
Complaining about social circles says... you don't have the ability to actually make friends and are jealous that you can't access that environment.
That isn't a fault of the country..that's a fault you have

I've live in both Central Germany and Northern. Big cities(Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin) along with living in small villages, mountain towns and east germany.
On average. I find girls much more feminine and attractive than Americans, British, Danish, ect.
I've been around the block. I don't know anyone thats saying that Germany is full of model 10s.
But to say that the chicks are ugly...is ridiculous.

Suck it up and admit that you haven't figured out how to adjust your game or you simply aren't attracted to them.
Dont complain they are hard to game and are ugly.
*Respect to Sargon for flat out saying he is bias and is more interested in asian girls.

**
USA, Canada and India have higher percentages of people accepted to beautifulpeople.com
That doesn't say much about the site. The site was also launched in Denmark and the UK.
Danish women dont even show up on the percentage and UK men and women are at the bottom. Seems like a shit move to launch a website where youre country wont make the ranks.

[Teedub]

Yeah, I really like Germany and I always say that on here. I can see myself maybe eventually settling there long term once I've got the travel bug out of my system.

[Sourcecode]

To me..These are decent averages.
6-7's in terms of germans girls I would see on a daily basis across the different cities in germany.
Minus 1 pictures..these arent girls with heavy make up or girls dressed up really nice. These are big club pictures
If you honestly can consistently say that you wouldnt bang girls like this. just leave the thread and don't bother the people that would

[WD-40]

(02-20-2014 01:28 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

I theorize that most of the hate over Germany are from guys that simply aren't as good at game as they think they are AN OR can't adjust their game.
This forum is full of slavophiles that think eastern europe is the poosy paradise. or SEA is the best place to get laid.
Too many people seem to expect that they are gonna be welcomed with open legs in Germany. Thats not realistic at all. Germany isnt a borderline third world place like Poland/Ukraine ect. And you aren't gonna get the white god factor like you would in SEA.
Better economy, different laws,different culture. You aren't coming to Germany with a baseline higher status. You aren't special. You have to put in real work just like everyone else.
Women aren't gonna come to you just because you think you dress nice and are from a different country.

This really just proves the point other people have been making here, which is that while it is certainly possible to smash in Germany, German culture will not put you at a relative advantage.

In other words, if you already have strong game in your home culture, you will also have strong game in Germany, once you make the necessary allowances and adjustments for gaming in a foreign environment. And if your game is average to weak, Germany will probably take you down a notch or two at first. The country is not a confidence builder for betas and not a comfortable learning environment for game beginners to get their feet wet.

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Non game related.
Germany is a great starter country for a person coming to Europe.
Stable economy. Safe. Well known. and lots of stuff to do and travel to see.

At the end of the day. This is still a travel forum...not a "I hope I can get laid on the first night"
If you are traveling solely to get laid..you should rethink why you really want to travel
I'm not saying I haven't had ONS from girls drunk and dead sober. But realistically I don't expect these things to fall in to my lap everytime I go out

If you actually read into Roosh and other members writings. Slavic countries probably have a higher learning curve. Youre not getting laid on a weekend trip their either.

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(02-20-2014 02:45 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Non game related.
Germany is a great starter country for a person coming to Europe.
Stable economy. Safe. Well known. and lots of stuff to do and travel to see.

I agree on all counts.

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(02-20-2014 02:45 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

At the end of the day. This is still a travel forum...not a "I hope I can get laid on the first night"

I know a dude who smashed a chick in the toilet stall of a German techno club 10 minutes after opening her. And it was not the first time he did that. I have had SNLs in Germany too so it is not like it can't be done. But it's just so much goddamn work, Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.

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Lol the only thing those chicks on the pictures got going for them is they are not fat.

Compare it to random club pics in Poland or Czech Republic and tell me you still wont see a difference between German and Slav girls.
Poland is not a "borderline third world country" btw. Tell that to a pole they might have an opionion about that.

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I theorize that most of the hate over Germany are from guys that simply aren't as good at game as they think they are AN OR can't adjust their game.

Lol really man? I could say the same about the US. Maybe you guys just need to up your game over there and they will lose some weight haha...

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Germany is a great starter country for a person coming to Europe.
Stable economy. Safe. Well known. and lots of stuff to do and travel to see.

Ya its a nice country. We have medieval castles, beautiful landscapes and great beer.
But the chicks are terrible and OP asked specifically about girls.