[WanderingSoul]

I think Beckham would get just as much pussy if he gained twenty pounds of fat because hes got male model good looks and is rich and famous.

If you take an average looking dude and give him the body below, I think he'd get more girls with 15-25lbs more muscle. I'm not saying girls don't like that look, I know they do. What I'm saying is that article people keep posting isn't even close to a scientific study.



Beckham's body isn't very impressive without professional photographers, baby oil and Photoshop.

[w00t]

Lol @ guys worrying about looking too swole.
Unless youre on a shitload of drugs youll never look like a pro bodybuilder. Hell as a natural it could take years of training before you even look like you lift.

[jariel]

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[_DC_]

Being lean is the only sure ticket 90% of the time whether its like Soccer player or Levine skinny, or up to a jacked running back. My cousin is 6' 1" and only 160, and hot girls are constanly drooling over his shirtless fb photos. Obv, hes not very strong, but lean.

once you're 8-10% bf with a modicom of muscle you will look defined. After that it is personal preference. Cartonishly jacked people fill a niche IMO thst turns a small group of girls on hard (like that super hot reporter with the jacked dude). I think you will find European girls like a smaller look where american girls, esp fitness conscious ones go for the jacked guys.

I think in the end you will never impress all girls, so be the shape you feel most confident with.

[pheonix500000]

(01-31-2014 03:32 PM)jariel Wrote:  

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Am i missing something? what's this supposed to show?

[Cyr]

There is a point of diminishing returns on weightlifting. If a guy who weighs 155lbs at 6ft gains 10lbs, it will help him a lot more than a guy who weighs 175 gaining 10lbs. A really skinny guy has to lift weights to improve himself and look presentable, but once you're more muscular, its more about what you feel best with. However, I think that theres an upswing (if it is congruent with your game) once your body becomes really out of the ordinary (which I'm approaching). I guess don't look/ seem that intimidating, but the bigger I have gotten, (now about 205lbs and lean at 6'1.5) the more attention I have gotten, and I will get a girl opening me most nights I go out.

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

(01-31-2014 04:41 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

Being lean is the only sure ticket 90% of the time whether its like Soccer player or Levine skinny, or up to a jacked running back. My cousin is 6' 1" and only 160, and hot girls are constanly drooling over his shirtless fb photos. Obv, hes not very strong, but lean.

I think pictures make people look a lot bigger than they actually are. I have a cousin that's 6'1 140lbs soaking wet, with skinny guy cuts. In person he looks like a Somalian runner. On his Instagram pics he's built like Zyzz.

[Distant Light]

(01-31-2014 12:29 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

I think above all, bitches like bread. I'll never forget the time last year when I was at Lavo in NYC (high end nightclub) and saw this obese couch potato in a t-shirt and jeans, tennis shoes, acne on his face, step outside with a 10/10 Heidi Klum in her prime bad model bitch. They were making out much to the horror of everyone around. Only $ explains shit like that.

hahaha this is hilarious as I see this from time to time...

IMO there is a point where your "too big" but it's not like that really matters much similar to being fat, rich, etc. That said, when it comes to profitability in terms of women I've found that lean look low body fat % is what chicks are looking for.

I'm personally very skinny and hang with many male models who are bigger than the usual male model type. While they do pull tons of chicks it has less to do with there "body". Last summer I used to hang with one of my boys, I was the skinniest by far AND still had majority of the chicks fascinated by me.

One of my boys are built like this...



DISCLAIMER, I think most don't really care because these type of venues have alot of goodlooking people. MAYBE, if it was a random bar or something because I once hungout with my DJ friend who's friend was ripped like my boy. 2 chicks were hanging with us and were MESMERIZED by this shirtless dude, sadly for them he was gay. I had never seen a woman respond in such a manner.

Then you have one of my boys who had a 8 month dry spell who was built as above picture.

P.S...This is the normal build of most guys I know who workout. Most (like myself) are skinny/lean guys who don't workout. One of them is just naturally lean and lets just say Naomi Campbell once opened up.

[The Beast1]

Good post from the infamous Pook:

Quote:

"155

I started out around 155 pounds at 6?3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ?below? them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.

165

Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don?t think I?m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ?unworthy? girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I?m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women

175

?You are looking very good,? my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don?t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.

185

Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out.

At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I?m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.

195

OK, when you don?t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, ?Is he gay?? all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, ?Pook, you are cute and all. So why don?t you have a girlfriend?? I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ?friend?.

I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomaly.

205

When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn?t? she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ?borrow my notes?, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday?

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ?well muscled? with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ?satellite? boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ?average?. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.

I know many of you guys are saying the same thing, ?I get beautiful women too and I am skinny!? But the thing is, all these examples here is based on attraction on the body alone. I am NOT working to get these women. My body is doing 99% of the attracting. I can just be a statue and get a response. (But of course, you have to take action. This is based on doing zilch.)

Rather than work hard to get one woman, why not work hard on yourself and get all the women? I don?t work hard to get women, I work hard on my dreams which gets the women automatically.

Like the article says on top, only the extremely beautiful women will risk being with a hunk like you. If you want a girl with a great body, you ought to work on your own body.

Coming from a skinny guy, being big is a totally different world. The worst thing is finding out how people really viewed the old you. People now openly insult my past skinny self and it hurts. It hurts because I never knew they had thought that way of me.

Big guys are allowed to get away with more things. I allowed to be cruder, to be bolder, to take advantage of women more (I?m serious!), and so on. You can also be stupid as well. My biggest problem is women only wanting me for sex (no, this is not a joke. Yes, it is a problem). You try to find a girl that fits your life and all she is interested in is your body! It is like getting rich and putting up with gold diggers.

So how do you go from being skinny guy to brawny guy? There is a lot of information on the Internet. For myself, I used Anthony Ellis?s program. 30lbs in 3 months, no joke. Though, for most people beginning, it will be like 30lbs in 4-5 months. The big problem with fitness is that there are so many different opinions. Many of them are wrong and will waste your time (including trainers). What I loved about Ellis?s program was that it cut all the hype and came up with very in-depth information. It works.

However, the risk with body building is that it can turn into a highly narcissist womb. I often think the mirrors in the gyms are not so much to perfect the form, but to perfect the ego. The risk is that you will try to become perfect and we all know that perfect is boring.

Now for a note to the skinny guys who are successful with women. They will, no doubt, post replies to challenge the relevancy of this post. Know that the central? thrust? of the post is not a bettering of image. It is an increase of testosterone. If you are naturally skinny, and are at a higher muscle mass, your body will continually be at a high state of testosterone building and rebuilding muscle mass just to stay the same. High rates of testosterone affects not only your actions, I believe women can sniff it out. So take a guy, stuffed with testosterone, and push him into a room full of lovely young ladies. He doesn?t speak a word. He won?t have to. The women will go to him automatically.

Such is the power of testosterone. Such is the power of sexuality

Danger and Play talks about this as well. I've only been able to attract hotter women with bigger muscles. It probably stems from a confidence issue of being tall and skinny. Either way, i like being big.

[Scuba_Instructor]

Personally I think the Greek ideal looks most attractive to women.

Extremely masculine, functional and gives off an aura of sexual prowess. My dick is bigger than the guy below though. I promise





The Ancient Greeks knew their shit.

[RexImperator]

^^^thats from 1500s Italy technically (though looks like a copy) but I get what you're saying. Michelangelo was inspired by the classics.

[eastwest]

I generally think that as long as you are natural, then there will not be diminishing returns to weightlifting. Once you enter steroid teritory and start getting truly big, then you will turn some girls off and turns other on, in general I think most will be turned off, it is a bit like plastic tits and subconsciously signal that you're own production of testosterone is inadeqate.

Broad shoulders and the taper is what counts the most.

[blkgatsby]

Great ideals scuba, lean, some muscle and hung like a light switch. LOL

Anyway, if you actually lift hard in the gym, and your diet is on point, there IS an upper ceiling of how big you can get naturally, although most people won't get to this point ( It takes a lot of discipline and years of training).

And for what it's worth, look at male models. None of those guys are hulking beasts, and if anything they look more like David Beckham, or Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

[TheFunto]

(01-30-2014 11:28 AM)FrenchCanadian Wrote:  

Question for the tall guys, 6'2 & +
I'm a competitive bike rider, so I have very good lower body strength (thighs, calves, ass)
Im like 6'3 180lbs... I have a good cardio and I'm fit...
I'll admit never lifting, or working out on my upper body strength.
Therefore I don't have big biceps, triceps or shoulders/back
As a tall person, how necessary is it to your game?

I always felt I didn't need to go to the gym because I was already taller than most guys out there.
I always felt hitting the gym and beefing up was a small person thing.
Am I wrong ? A lot of my friends say I could become a monster if I worked out, because I already have great lower body strength but really, how good is that?

Insight would be appreciated, from tall players.

You probably have some pretty solid lower body strength, so developing upper body would probably benefit you a lot by making you more balanced.

I'm definitely guilty of focusing harder on upper body. I'm 6'2" and used to be high body fat (19%) and no muscle at 165 pounds. Now I managed to get to 185 and around 7% and it makes all the difference. I'm not big or jacked at all, but pretty much every girl at one point or another imply how they feel safe or at ease when they're with me, that they don't have to worry. Girls love to touch and feel chest and arms. It's not make or break and you certainly can't get a girl solely based on it, it's still up to game. But it does opens doors and makes girls more available to being approached and seduced.

Like when you're dancing and when making out they love to be thrown around all over the place, it makes for great laughs and fun (and I'm a bad dancer). During sex you can lift and bang them against a wall or standing up, chicks dig that stuff, most never had it because most guys don't have the strength to do it.

Fact of the matter is: your body becomes an additional tool you can use in your game.

You just need to learn how to use it. I'm still learning and improving.

[BadgerHut]

"At what point does your fitness downplay your game?"

Probably at a much higher point than any of us will ever get to. Beyond that I think it's a question of style - different girls dig different body types, being at CMcQ's 200lbs point probably makes him way more attractive to a subset of muscle chicks and a bit less (or intimidating to) other girls.

[Aliblahba]

Steroids and suits.





   



   

[ChocolateCockOfZeus]

^^^ Is the guy in the first pic wearing white gym socks? smh

[soup]

I've definitely been influenced by the forum to get bigger. I have a very narrow frame and shoulders, a slight beer gut from drinking on my gigs and eating too much bread without getting enough exercise, and I'm getting older and balder. Too my credit, I've had a slipped disc for most of the year and had to spend a lot of time not doing any physical activity that involved lifting more than 10lbs.

I figure that if I can build my body up more, it will give be more presence and people will understand me better.

[Aliblahba]

(02-04-2014 12:09 PM)ChocolateCockOfZeus Wrote:  

^^^ Is the guy in the first pic wearing white gym socks? smh

Yeah, white socks and atrophied cocks. Roids make your twig and berries shrink. No style or sex for the fellers.

[Rompetoto]

(02-05-2014 12:15 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 12:09 PM)ChocolateCockOfZeus Wrote:  

^^^ Is the guy in the first pic wearing white gym socks? smh

Yeah, white socks and atrophied cocks. Roids make your twig and berries shrink. No style or sex for the fellers.

Just ur balls.

[DarkTriad]

(01-30-2014 09:40 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-30-2014 09:34 PM)Luccheese Wrote:  

I'll chime in on this. At my biggest I was 250lbs running 700mg of test e along with 50mg dbol pre-workout. I was holding a lot of water so I was huge but smooth. I would say I was around 9 percent body fat. The vast majority of attention I was getting was from older women.Young chicks wouldn't even make eye contact with me. I was also rocking a shaved head with a lumberjack beard.

I'm currently running 150mg tren A, 50mg test prop, 50 mast prop and 25mcg t3 a day. Right now, 230 at about 6 percent body fat. I get tons of stares from high school to college chicks. Older women still look. Have a lined up fade with a neatly trimmed beard.

Moral of the story... Hulk mode = older broads.... Lean mode = attention from all ages... from my experience..... I'm 6ft 2 btw...

230 llbs is hardly lean, you are a big guy.
Could it be that the shaved head and beard look was scaring young girls?

"230 llbs is hardly lean, you are a big guy. "

At 6% bodyfat, that's lean. Lean doesn't mean skinny.

[WanderingSoul]

(02-04-2014 11:34 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Steroids and suits.

Yeah, they look like shit.

The real sad part is that they still have more money and bitches than you lol.

[Beginner]

230 at 6% bodyfat is like a professional bodybuilder. arnold was around those stats when he competed. thats the problem with these threads, people exaggerating and throwing around numbers.

[Christian McQueen]

[Aliblahba]

(02-05-2014 01:22 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(02-04-2014 11:34 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Steroids and suits.

Yeah, they look like shit.

The real sad part is that they still have more money and bitches than you lol.

Money yes, bitches, no. No one would take those dudes serious in the South. My skinny cripple ass would out game them 9.8/10 times. I know cause I've done it and still do it.