[Nascimento]

How much of the game happens on a subconscious level? Either from an internal or external perspective.

When I think internal, I think about things an experienced player does without thinking about it, that makes him attractive & brings him success.

When I think external, I think about things other people see in a guy with game without thinking about it, or things that happen to a guy with game that are out of his control, that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

As you progress along a continuum, from a beginner to a veteran, from a young guy starting to develop to a more mature and experienced man, how much of it happens without your conscious awareness?

A beginner is taught to 'fake it till you make it' by taking on proper body language, changing their attitude around women so that they are more attractive, work on their verbal game so they hit the right emotional buttons in conversation..

As you become more experienced, how many of these things happen subconsciously?

Another thing is awareness. I've noticed my awareness has become very strong during night game, leading to more receptive approaches, situations, and more successes. I feel awareness is also subconscious as well.

What are your thoughts on the subconscious side of game? What are your experiences?

[WestIndianArchie]

You internalize the game the more you do it.

Suddenly every conversation is an adventure instead of a chore.

WIA

[Giovonny]

Like with everything,

The better you get, the more subconscious it becomes.

It becomes hard wired into your brain. It becomes instinctive.

[RX2]

Muscle memory comes to mind.

The only thing I can compare it to, from experience, is jiu-jitsu.

When you first start rolling/sparring you panic. You go too hard and don't really know what to do. Then after a little while, from watching others, from drilling techniques and escapes, from getting submitted a lot, from experiencing certain situations. Okay, last time you got caught on an arm bar or you got mounted or choked, the next time you know not to leave your arm a certain way, you know to shrimp out faster, etc.

My point is that after a while, it all just "happens". Your body and mind just react unconsciously. I think it's the same with game, everything really.

It also reminds me of this quote:

"Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things." -Miyamoto Musashi

What he’s saying is that once you understand what it takes to get good at something, once you understand that mindset + discipline + energy + focus...all those things to get great at something, you can do that with ANYTHING.

[philly22]

A huge chunk of game is subconscious especially the longer you do it

[Valhalla]

I think a lot of game is just not fucking up and seeing the hidden signals women send out, knowing the logistics, and the right time to make a move.

I used to have better "game" and had a perfect funny reply to everything.

I now tend to be much more relaxed.

On dates I won't try to do anything fancy or be witty, just chat for a little about myself, ask her basic questions, and don't fuck up, bounce somewhere else quiet and make a move.


If she's out with you all you have to do is not fuck up by saying something stupid, set the logistics up to end at your place or somewhere quiet, and escalate, she already likes you.

[WestCoast]

I would say almost all of game is subconscious.

If you've fucked 100 chicks do you have fear in approaching a new girl? No. They can sense it.

When you have $X in the bank, does your gait change? Yes. Does your wardrobe change? Yes. Can people tell without you telling them? Yes.

Basically if game becomes unconcsious you win. People already know you have your shit together and you don't even have to say a word. They can smell it.

When you're firing on all cylinders you change from the inside. That change is permanent.

Men, women, employers, family they will all know something is different.

So yes game is primarily not even a thought after a while. In the beginning though you have to unwritte all the shitty habits you've created in the past.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-16-2014 12:53 PM)Valhalla Wrote:  

I think a lot of game is just not fucking up and seeing the hidden signals women send out, knowing the logistics, and the right time to make a move.

I agree. I think of this as level 1, low hanging fruit.

Indeed, throw on some new clothes, hair cut, lean out a little bit, go out a little bit more - you're going to do far better than you ever did prior to the game. You got a car and your own place? fuhgeddaboutit

And this is without the fancy verbal gymnastics, head games, and holding a lot of frame.

The next transition point is running game with your eyes primarily. Fishing for eye contact, taking that as a warm approach, and then opening a chick.

You start to deal with more the bitchiness, but it's manageable.

But most guys don't cultivate their observation skills, they just start spitting at anything in a miniskirt. They miss the obvious chicks and focus on the ones least interested, and they are ill equipped to turn a belligerent broad into a calm kitten.

Lot of them go on to claim that game doesn't work, or doesn't work for them.

Doing things at Level 3 difficulty with nothing to back them up.

Cats are trying to get to the point where their outer game and inner game are good enough to talk to a stranger whether or not she's even aware that you exist. Night, daytime, book store, super market, bar mitzvah, her wedding....

The truly cold approach, at least for me, has always been the most satisfying. I can still remember my first truly cold approach. Everything about this girl hit me, and I knew I needed to talk to her. Ended up with the make out, a couple months later I took her v-card. Sweetest chick ever.

On some level, you're turning over rocks and finding diamonds. Sometimes the rock is a boulder. But you develop your game muscles over time.

she's pretending not to hear me
pretending she doesn't speak english
totally dismissive
totally angry
trying to extricate herself from the situation and let me down "easy"

I think of this as the ice. (ram it, or melt it) To me, when I run into this kind of resistance, it's really because she hasn't actually heard me, or really felt my presence. I'm just another part of the noise out there.

Night club or in an elevator - it's pretty much the same ice - and as many tools as you might have in your tool box, the main one is faith in yourself (and #2 is the ability to recover from rejection)

WIA

[Onto]

I think the term you're looking for is unconscious, which means you know/are doing things without knowing what you know/are doing.

Most everything people do is done unconsciously. Attraction in itself is largely unconscious. Each person senses (unconsciously) what the other person is all about from the moment they meet them, but they don't have any real awareness as to what that is. Sure they may say, I like his laugh, I like her tits, etc., but these are just ways of trying to explain the unexplainable (what's unconscious). Can one bring that up into awareness? Absolutely.

I like how WestIndainArchie described this kind of awareness as transforming a chore into an adventure. Real awareness is very much like that, but any real adventure comes with real danger.