[slubu]

Man this makes me miss Kiev so much. Just to touch upon one point quickly about the girl making you that pie and your main girl seeing it and not caring...

These girls in Ukraine seem to be both accustomed to and ok with the guys having multiple girls. They expect it. On my last night there where I went through this ridiculous scenario to get this girl to come home with me, including telling her all these fibs about the girl at the club being my ex girlfirend etc., after we had sex she asked me about my girlfriend. I said (in russian) not my girlfriend. She just laughed and said something along the lines of Da Da, kharasho, kharasho, haha. They know what's up.

[JohnQPublic]

Courage your posts are inspirational. Swearing off nightlife is an interesting concept. Could you do a 'Fundamentals of Daygame' post for those of us who have no daygame?

(11-14-2013 04:32 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

I would caution CR... These slavic women look fantastic up until 30-32, then boom hips explode, face implodes.

I'd say white women in general age the least gracefully of all races. It's just more sensitive skin, and wrinkles faster. I'm not sure Slavs are better or worse than the Germanic or Anglos in this regard.

If somebody can point to a european country that ages better than the rest, I'd love to know which one. (besides Mediterranean olives which don't count)

(11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Its like they turn into a babushka almost overnight

Pro tip as a westerner in Kiev, you can never over use the word "Babooshka" enough. Say it as many times as possible. They find it hilarious.

French chicks often age very gracefully. Did you see the PR photos of Segolene Royale when she ran for president at 56yo? Don't know if you consider all French Mediterranean, but when considering French you have to consider the case of Carla Bruni too, who has all the enhancements that money can offer. The average French girl is probably in the middle, buying the expensive creams and stuff (one old French girlfriend told me that they really work) but maybe smoking too much.

The EE girls are smoking, drinking and usually not using any expensive creams until they can see that they have to (if they have cash). So while the French are at the top end for any given skin quality and behaviors, the EE girls are at the bottom end. If you get one who is say, under 25, and start her on the right path, and she has diet and lifestyle in order, I think she'll do OK. I know one Czech who went to Paris at around 23yo and learned how to live there, now she's over 40 and can give any 40yo a run for the money.

[TripleG]

Courage Reborn, thanks for the great trip report. If you don't mind asking me how old are you? As you know age is a deal-breaker in USA and I would sooner become a millionaire here than get a 19 year old college babe (I am 34). Also, you mentioned doing online dating. Did you end up paying for those sites? I have been using UkraineDate for some time and getting plenty of interest on my profile from girls but not sure if it's worth paying the high monthly membership fee. What do you advise?

[Vacancier Permanent]

Superb report Courage Reborn! Very enjoyable read! Wow those virgin gfs must have been a joy and breath of fresh air to be with compared to your typical western feminazi!
How was safety there? Did you feel threatened by the local guys when talking or walking with the girls?

[Vacancier Permanent]

Agreed that it'd be foolish to bring a woman into the feminazi infested western world, specially one as beautiful as a rusky or ukrainian girl. However about wifing up a beautiful Russian or Ukrainian or EE girl and bringing her to live in Asia where feminism hasn't corrupted yet and where it's a male dominated society? Not to mention the over supply of the local fresh, feminine and sexy talent. Thoughts on that? Say bringing a hot Russian or U or EE girl to live in BKK or China or Indonesia.

(10-22-2013 06:25 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(10-22-2013 03:02 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

Good Report! Based on stories from Ukraine girls I've met (there and one in Prague who did the odessa -> marry 20y older Canadian guy -> Americas -> divorce -> prague) and one who runs a marriage agency (who my wing met at random in Odessa and we got to hang with us a couple of times) a very large percentage of the Ukraine brides ditch their happy husband once they get the US/Western Passport. Granted the bigger the "mismatch" the bigger the risk, but probably a good strategy is to keep them guessing or keep mum on their wifehood chances until the time is right.

You are spot-on! Anyone expecting to find a wife in the FSU and take her back to their country is an idiot, IMO. It takes at least 5 years to understand the culture and even then it's very hard to find a match. Seriously, if you're not interested in Russian culture, don't expect to find an honest Russian wife. Even if you do find one, as soon as you take her to the US or any other Western country she'll adapt to the local culture and become a feminazi.

[Brosemite]

(11-15-2013 12:30 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Agreed that it'd be foolish to bring a woman into the feminazi infested western world, specially one as beautiful as a rusky or ukrainian girl. However about wifing up a beautiful Russian or Ukrainian or EE girl and bringing her to live in Asia where feminism hasn't corrupted yet and where it's a male dominated society? Not to mention the over supply of the local fresh, feminine and sexy talent. Thoughts on that? Say bringing a hot Russian or U or EE girl to live in BKK or China or Indonesia.

I imagine it's possible. Was in Pattaya in 2010 as all the Russian gals there were with their significant others. Family friend told me lot of couples escape hell hole conditions in Mother Russia while settling out there.

[calwinston]

(11-14-2013 09:46 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Courage Reborn, thanks for the great trip report. If you don't mind asking me how old are you? As you know age is a deal-breaker in USA and I would sooner become a millionaire here than get a 19 year old college babe (I am 34). Also, you mentioned doing online dating. Did you end up paying for those sites? I have been using UkraineDate for some time and getting plenty of interest on my profile from girls but not sure if it's worth paying the high monthly membership fee. What do you advise?

I have pipelined through UkraineDate many times. Just dont give off the player vibe when you first start talking to them. Most of the women there are looking for husbands. Then when you come to Ukraine to see them you can change your game. Just sign up for a month and get all the contacts from as many as women as possible i.e. (facebook, vk, email, phone number, etc.)

[DaveR]

(11-15-2013 12:30 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

Agreed that it'd be foolish to bring a woman into the feminazi infested western world, specially one as beautiful as a rusky or ukrainian girl. However about wifing up a beautiful Russian or Ukrainian or EE girl and bringing her to live in Asia where feminism hasn't corrupted yet and where it's a male dominated society? Not to mention the over supply of the local fresh, feminine and sexy talent. Thoughts on that? Say bringing a hot Russian or U or EE girl to live in BKK or China or Indonesia.

It's an interesting idea that I haven't thought of much before. My thoughts are:

Negatives:
- It will be hard to convince girls from Moscow or St. Petersburg to live in a place they see as inferior. Girls from provincial cities will be an easier sell, but they are less sophisticated (on the other hand, sophistication may not matter - depends on what you're looking for).
- She'll have a lot of other expats hitting on her.
- Competition is what keeps Russians looking good, so you're onto the right idea by taking her to a place where there's competition. She'll definitely stay in shape, but I'm not sure what effect it would have on her grooming and the way she dresses. Without high heels and makeup, they lose a lot of their appeal.

Positives:
- Russian (also Slavic in general) diet and lifestyle is extremely unhealthy, so by converting to an Asian lifestyle, she'll hopefully not turn into a whale in her 30s.
- Russians dream of warm climates, so you can use that to sell the idea.

Other comments:
- I agree with JohnQPublic. I often have arguments with Russians who believe sour cream is healthy because it's natural. Genetically they aren't that special either - it's all about the attitude and grooming. So at 20, Russians are the hottest, but by 40 the tables will have turned completely and you'll find the hottest women in France and Northern Italy. You'll have to try to maintain what she has at 20 through diet and competition.

[DaveR]

(11-14-2013 09:46 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

Courage Reborn, thanks for the great trip report. If you don't mind asking me how old are you? As you know age is a deal-breaker in USA and I would sooner become a millionaire here than get a 19 year old college babe (I am 34). Also, you mentioned doing online dating. Did you end up paying for those sites? I have been using UkraineDate for some time and getting plenty of interest on my profile from girls but not sure if it's worth paying the high monthly membership fee. What do you advise?

35-40 is considered the prime age in Russia for a man. They don't have the retardedness found in other countries whereby 20-year-old gay models who spend all day posing for magazines are considered gods. You won't have a problem with 19 year olds here at all. I'm 30 and still get interest from 17-year-old schoolgirls.

ALso about the marriage idea... Marriage to a Russian doesn't mean anything after 5-10 years. Make sure you incorporate that into any plans you have.

[Qwest]

(11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Yup, sounds like foreign Russian/Ukrainian girls. American-born ones look similar, but god the attitudes are terrible.

I would caution CR... These slavic women look fantastic up until 30-32, then boom hips explode, face implodes.

Its like they turn into a babushka almost overnight

There is a term in the region which specifically refers to this and it is called the "Slavic time bomb". They look great now, but the clock is ticking. The best way to get an idea of how the girl will age later is to get a look at her mother, which most of us probably already are aware of. If mom is 40-50 and you would still stick her then I say go for it.

I heard of this term when in Serbia this past summer. I don't know why, but it seems to often hold true .

[calwinston]

(11-18-2013 03:48 PM)Qwest Wrote:  

(11-14-2013 04:09 PM)DVY Wrote:  

Yup, sounds like foreign Russian/Ukrainian girls. American-born ones look similar, but god the attitudes are terrible.

I would caution CR... These slavic women look fantastic up until 30-32, then boom hips explode, face implodes.

Its like they turn into a babushka almost overnight

There is a term in the region which specifically refers to this and it is called the "Slavic time bomb". They look great now, but the clock is ticking. The best way to get an idea of how the girl will age later is to get a look at her mother, which most of us probably already are aware of. If mom is 40-50 and you would still stick her then I say go for it.

I heard of this term when in Serbia this past summer. I don't know why, but it seems to often hold true .

If you are dating a girl and she eats a good diet, takes care of herself, and keeps working out then this will not happen. This happens because of the poor diet most girls consume in these eastern european countries, the long hours they have to work, harsh lifestyle, and the lack of funds to take care of themselves.

[jimukr104]

As I mentioned before there is ONE more successful way to import a FSU girl. You import her to an area(Brooklyn) that has a huge FSU enclave to begin with.Like my wife always says... she never entered America yet!(11 years later). Being around their own PRIZED cultured folks keeps them in line.

[calwinston]

(11-18-2013 08:36 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

As I mentioned before there is ONE more successful way to import a FSU girl. You import her to an area(Brooklyn) that has a huge FSU enclave to begin with.Like my wife always says... she never entered America yet!(11 years later). Being around their own PRIZED cultured folks keeps them in line.

Yeah I see that as a good option. But there are only a few other areas in the United States like it that have a whole neighborhood of only FSU people. Philadelphia (Fairmount), Miami (Sunny Isles Beach), and Los Angeles (Santa Monica and West Hollywood). The other option is Toronto in Canada. The rest are sparse and spread out populations of people from the FSU.

[rudebwoy]

Bringing a girl to Toronto, you must be joking. In no time she will feel like a superstar here, I don't recommend bringing any girl here.
Yeah we have a big ukranian community but so what.
As for looks and getting older, I think you cannot fight genetics. Taking care of yourself may slow down the aging process but how many of those women over 40 look good?