[Damascus]

Disgusting. Most of these women are irresponsible and stupid. They complain about not having a choice then when they are irresponsible with their reproductive health, they expect the state to fix their mistake. Feminist will think these females are heroes for sharing their ratchet ass stories. I only read one story where the woman had an abortion for health reasons.


http://nymag.com/news/features/abortion-...s-2013-11/



Here are a few gems from the article:

Nicole, 19
Kentucky, 2013
It was this past spring. The due date’s coming up—I’m dreading it. I wanted to keep it. My boyfriend always had football practice, so he couldn’t go to the doctor appointments with me. If he’d gone, he would’ve felt differently. But he said, “No way.” I wanted to show him that I loved him enough to do it for him. When I was thirteen weeks, we made an appointment at the closest clinic in Kentucky, four hours away, but the night before, we decided not to go. At two in the morning, he called and said, “Get dressed.” I said, “I don’t want to go.” We both cried the whole way there. I don’t think abortion is killing, but I’d always been against it. When I told him the credit-card scanner at the clinic wasn’t working, he asked if I was making it up. We went to get $1,000 from a gas-station ATM. I was hysterical, and he said, “Okay, you don’t have to go back.” I was so happy. Then he said, “We drove all this way. Stop crying, act like a woman.” I was angry, but I was so sleepy and tired of fighting. When I had the ultrasound, I asked for the picture and a nurse said, “Seriously?” A month later, he said he regretted it too. When I cry about it, I cry alone. He thinks it would make me sad to talk about, but I don’t want our baby to think we forgot. I’ve never heard of anybody else having an abortion here.


Cherisse, 39
Illinois, 2004, 2005, and 2007
I looked in the Chicago Yellow Pages and made an appointment at what I thought was an abortion clinic. They sent a black woman in to talk to me. She told me that she and her husband hadn’t wanted their child at first and tried to convince me to keep mine. Then they showed me a video of a D&E (dilation and evacuation). They assumed I was on food stamps. At that time, I didn’t know how to articulate why that was offensive. I was a 28-year-old paralegal—not the stereotype. They sent me home with a rattle and onesie. This was in 2002, not some bygone era. They sent me to another place to get a free ultrasound. The technician said, “If you have an abortion now, you’ll rupture your uterus and won’t be able to have children in the future.” I had no idea what was true. I didn’t want to regret not being able to have children. I went ahead and had my son. Those people weren’t there after I lost my job and couldn’t afford my COBRA, utilities, rent, food. Since then, I’ve had three abortions. I didn’t understand my body. I had no information. After the third time, I ran into a reproductive-justice advocate who finally taught me how to understand my fertility.


Mira, 29
South Dakota, 2004
The day I got accepted to college, I had a positive pregnancy test. I went to a community health center and said I wanted to talk to a nurse about my options. They told me to leave. The closest three clinics were all 300 miles away. I borrowed my mother’s car. My boyfriend, now my husband, came with me. I honestly don’t remember how we came up with the $700. We left at 5 p.m., after work, and drove to Colorado. It was the dead of winter, cold. Weather can be touchy through the Rockies. We stayed in a hotel in Cheyenne, another $60, but we couldn’t sleep. I felt very on edge. I wished someone I knew besides my boyfriend was nearby. When we got to the clinic, an escort met us at the car and asked if we wanted a bulletproof vest. Inside the clinic, the doctor took my hand and apologized that I had to travel so far. Ten minutes later, it was done.


Red, 30
Pennsylvania, 2008
When I got pregnant with my son, my very controlling boyfriend had convinced me that birth control poisoned my body. We usually slept in the car. I took a pregnancy test peeing over the kind of bucket you mix concrete in outside a dilapidated, vacant house. I decided I couldn’t abort a baby based on a stupid decision I made. They tell you that you love the baby automatically, but it’s not true. Then, in 2008, I was pregnant by my boyfriend Steve. We worked together at Target. He wanted to get married and have the baby. I was barely supporting the son I had, still living with my parents. I didn’t want to be tied to Steve forever. My mom and I went to Planned Parenthood. It was pouring rain. The picketers met us at the car with disgusting pictures. I was quite emotional, but I was so scared that if I showed any emotions, they wouldn’t let me do it. I told them I already had a baby. The doctor acted like it was assembly-line work. I told Steve I miscarried. We dated another year. The secret was devastating. People might be more understanding if I’d had an abortion when I was living in a car in an abusive relationship. This time, I was on birth control, with a full-time job, a boyfriend. People might think I should’ve kept it, but I couldn’t.


Heather, 32
Tennessee, 2011 and 2013
I already had two daughters. Neither was planned, and it never, ever, occurred to me to terminate those pregnancies. I was brought up with a very religious background. Now I’ve had two abortions, and if my family knew, my relationship with my family would be gone. My first was two years ago. My husband and I were having financial problems and were considering separating. I just had to shut my conscience down. The doctor was grotesque. He whistled show tunes. I could hear the vacuum sucking out the fetus alongside his whistling. When I hear show tunes now, I shudder. Later, he lost his license. A few months ago, I got pregnant again. My in-laws have been helping us out financially, so we have no choice but to involve them in our decisions. They gave us $500 cash to bring to the clinic. I felt very forced. I felt like I was required to have an abortion to provide for my current family. Money help is a manipulation. I’m crazy in love with my daughters—imagine if I did that to them? It’s almost too much to open the door of guilt and shame because it’ll all overcome me. In the waiting room, there was a dead silence that’s hard to describe. Everyone was holding in her emotions to a heartbreaking degree. Truly pro-life people should go light on the judgment, because shame motivates abortions.


Dana, 42
Colorado, 2009
After Dr. Tiller was killed, I watched the man I didn’t know would become my doctor talking on the news, rubbed my belly, and wondered how anyone could possibly have a late-term abortion. A month later, I understood. During the 29-week ultrasound, the ventricles in the brain were enlarged. There aren’t adjectives to describe how I felt when we learned a few weeks later her neurological system wasn’t formed. It’s not that I didn’t want an imperfect child; even if we had all the interventions, she’d have seizures 70 percent of the time, never suck or breathe. We couldn’t have detected the problem until then. My first thought was of my 2-year-old son. No one presented abortion as an option—I asked. During the car ride home, I kept saying to my husband, “Please don’t think I’m a bad person.” As far as I knew, only one doctor in the country would perform an abortion that late, even for medical reasons. He had to approve us. He was in Colorado. We were in Maryland. I started to feel her seizing within me. We flew to Boulder the next week, paying for everything out-of-pocket: $17,500 for the procedure and about $3,500 for last-minute travel costs. They did a sonogram to find her heart and injected her with a long needle. I counted four movements, and she was gone. At six in the morning on the day I was supposed to return to the clinic, I felt my water break. I was alone in a hotel bathroom so far away from my home. I wanted to protect my husband. I didn’t let him in. I delivered her intact, sitting on the toilet, and I sat there until the doctor and nurse came and took her away properly. It’s different for me than my husband. I carried her. I didn’t have relief until my next daughter was born. Now we have three living children. That doctor gave me my family.


Lauren, 34
Colorado, 2003
Although I always thought it was a woman’s right to choose, I honestly thought if I got pregnant I’d find a way to make it work. All that changed. My boyfriend terrorized me. At some point, I decided it was safer to have him in my life than cut him out. But when I got pregnant, I knew right away I didn’t want a lifelong connection to that person. I was right; when we later broke up, he sawed my clothes in half and poured corn syrup in my gas tank. During the ultrasound, I shouted, “We’re not keeping it!” It was a way of not acknowledging the life-form. When I went to the clinic, there were protesters with awful, very graphic signs. I felt their judgment. Other experiences changed me more. This year, I had another D&C after I miscarried, and it’s amazing how much I mourned that pregnancy. The same experience can be so different when you’re in a different place in life. My first husband died. With the slew of shitty things that have happened to me, I wonder, am I paying the price for what I did? I believe in a God who wouldn’t punish that way. But when you don’t want the gift you’re given, will the universe offer up that gift again? As I started to get older and was nowhere near having kids, I started to wonder if that was my chance and I blew it. But I’m 21 weeks pregnant now.

Mayah, 23
Oregon, 2009
I was secretly excited for the ultrasound. But they couldn’t see it. They said I could let it grow and go back for the procedure, but I couldn’t stand the idea of letting it grow. I went into this refrigerator of a room, with a tiny poster of a tropical island pasted on the ceiling, and this middle-aged white lady nurse told me to breathe and hush. I wanted to sock her in the face. A couple days later, I found out I was still pregnant. The amoeba—my baby—was somehow surviving. The next time, I kind of hoped it wouldn’t work. I kept saying negative things to myself, like, “Stop being such a baby.” Afterwards, I felt this mix of regret, relief, gratitude, and I had a new sense of control and determination about my future, like, I’m going to do this and this and this. I tracked the whole pregnancy online, living in fantasies about how big my belly would be. The only people who would listen to me say I had any emotions were people who wanted me to fall down on my knees and ask for forgiveness. I saw a counselor at a crisis pregnancy center, but she gave me an icky feeling. There’s no room to talk about being unsure.


Yolanda, 29
Mississippi, 2012
The story I want to tell first is of the abortion I didn’t get. Three years ago, I knew I couldn’t afford a baby on my own. My son was 6. I made a clinic appointment for the next day. Outside, protesters shouted, “You don’t need birth control, you need self-*control!” One woman followed me and said in my ear, “You’re never going to forget.” In the waiting room, I looked around at the other women. A teenager, who looked about 14, was crying. I kept thinking, Who do I think I am? I wasn’t raped. I’m not underage. I just don’t want to have a baby. It was too early, and I needed to come back in two weeks. The clinic required you to have someone to drive you home, so I needed to tell someone. I told my friend who I thought was kind of liberal, but she refused. I never went back for that abortion. When the baby was little, our lights got turned off. I got depressed, kind of suicidal. Sometimes I’d think, I didn’t need to have this kid, and now he’s suffering with me. Last year, I got pregnant again. I knew how to deal with the opposition. The clinic rules had changed, and I could drive myself. Afterward, I went on birth control, but it failed. I didn’t have the money for an abortion, but the clinic gave me a number for a fund. I told them I had kids. They covered half of it. The clinic gave me copies of the ultrasound, and I keep them in a drawer. I never cried about it. I don’t feel guilty. I know being a parent isn’t all stars and sprinkles.

Kassi, 29
Vermont, 2004
My boyfriend and I went to the doctor for an IUD and were told to use condoms until we were together longer. A month later, when the campus nurse wouldn’t look at me, I knew the results weren’t good. I was sobbing and scared to go into the waiting room. In my gut I think I knew what I’d do. It took my thoughts a little while to catch up with my gut. The clinic near where I lived only provided abortions one day a week, the same day I had four classes in a row. So I went to a clinic 45 minutes away. The soonest appointment was three weeks later. Walking around pregnant when you don’t want to be is a nightmare. I wanted to tell everyone, but I was scared that they’d think I was stupid. I borrowed a car from my friend’s roommate. I wore a black turtleneck and very nice jeans—I wanted to impress the nurses. I think I even mentioned that I was in the honor society! Now I think, Who did I think I was? I had no idea that the average abortion patient is all of us.



Madeline, 18
Minnesota, 2012
I didn’t think I was ready for sex, but my boyfriend pushed it. Rape feels too strong, but it wasn’t really consensual. I didn’t think about the whole condom thing. I was going to a Catholic high school, and in health class we never talked about sex. The scariest part of the whole experience was not having anyone to share it with. I was in AP classes and couldn’t concentrate. I’d look around and think, No one knows. At night I’d think, What if I wait too long and then suddenly have this baby? I tried to plan out telling my parents, but my mom’s religious views scared me. I read on the Internet that minors can get a judicial bypass, but I was nervous it would take a long time—when I lay down and sucked in, there was a little bump on my tummy. Finally, I got up the courage to tell them. Both my parents took me. It’s a two-day process. I was at twenty weeks, just a few days away from being too late. During the ultrasound, the technician told me how big the head was—it was the most scarring thing. The next day, the procedure took fifteen minutes. I slept for the rest of the day. I was grateful my parents were there. It cost about $2,000, so I definitely couldn’t have done it without them. I feel bad that it was so far along, developed. In my government class, we spent a whole week on abortion. It was awful.


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Charnae, 35
Michigan and Georgia, 1998 and 2003
When girls I knew had abortions, I thought, I would never. But I did the thing I thought I’d never do. I was 19, at college in Michigan. I couldn’t believe I was pregnant—we’d used condoms—and I was disappointed in myself. I knew my mother would consider the pregnancy God’s will, so I didn’t tell her. I told a friend who’d just gotten one. When we got to the clinic, the waiting room was full, and I remember thinking, Wow, some of these girls are from school. I didn’t feel alone. I wasn’t the only one. I paid for it with my tax return, 300-and-something-dollars. I chose to stay awake during the procedure, even though I was afraid of the pain. The second time, I was 24, living in Atlanta, and into my career. It hit me more emotionally. I thought, I really do want this baby, because I want a family, but I couldn’t imagine that with my boyfriend. I’d just taken a friend to have an abortion, so she took me. There’s something about having someone with you who’s been through the same thing that’s comforting.



Maria, 38
Pennsylvania, 2003
We had a 1-year-old and a 3-year-old and hadn’t envisioned having more. At first I thought, Well, I love my husband, and we have plenty of money. I had this naïve notion that access to abortion was easy for people like us. I called my doctor, who referred me to someone else because that practice didn’t perform abortions. I’d never thought of myself as someone who goes to a clinic. I called five doctors, each time having to explain how I’d gotten the number, as if I needed some secret code. Pittsburgh has world-class medical centers, but it took a couple of days to get an appointment. Pennsylvania is one of 26 states that require a waiting period between counseling and the procedure. We went back the next day. The staff was great. It felt a lot like a regular checkup but with painful cramping. My insurance covered the whole thing. In the waiting room, my husband said, “Where do you want to go on vacation?” We booked a trip to Spain.
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Michelle, 62
New York, 1968
It was November. I’d just graduated high school and was working, going to college at night, living with my mother in Queens. I didn’t believe I could tell my mother without her killing me. At work, a wonderful older guy, a father figure, told me about a doctor on the Upper East Side. I had to go late at night and pay $800, a fortune at the time. My father died when I was 5, and from a wrongful-death suit I’d inherited $1,000. That money was very special to me, one of the only things I had from my father, and it made me feel like a criminal that I had to spend that money that way. I was four months pregnant. The doctor inserted a metal tube and said I’d be uncomfortable. The attending nurse said, “You’ll never have children after this.” I was to return the next night, with clear instructions not to call the office. On the subway ride home, I could feel the blood seeping through my jeans. I was so relieved to be wearing a coat so I didn’t leave blood on the seat. When I took off my jeans, blood covered my thighs. I couldn’t let the sheets get bloody, so I wrapped towels around me and stayed in bed, with incredibly painful cramping. I realize now that I was in labor. I thought I might die there in my apartment. In retrospect, I should’ve gone to the hospital, but I thought I would be arrested. It’s such a horrific thought that anyone should feel that alone again.


Alex, 24
New York, 2006 and 2012
I’m pro-choice, but for some reason I still hold a stigma for people who’ve had multiple abortions, and yet I’ve had multiple. The second time I was ashamed of becoming “one of those people,” although I know that thinking is wrong. When I was 17, the toughest part was being asked if I wanted to see the ultrasound. That was the first time it was really presented to me, real. I went on birth control right after, but it gave me mood swings, made me feel terrible, so after a couple of years I went off it. The second time was harder because I got pregnant with my boyfriend. We’d been using protection. I was in my twenties, more prepared to take responsibility, but he’s from a strict Muslim family, and a child would’ve meant immediate marriage or maybe him going home. My boyfriend couldn’t comprehend my shame of having to go through it again. He’s used to girls having to hide things. I took the pill overnight, hunched in bed, cramping unbelievably, and he sat up with me all night. Well, I think he fell asleep once, but I woke him up. I went to work the next day. I think a lot of girls in my circle look at each other and think no one else has gone through it. It does affect you. Sometimes you regret and sometimes you feel good. You think, The baby would be a year old now
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Clio, 23
California, 2010
My IUD failed. I thought my boyfriend would say, “Yay!” But he wanted me to have an abortion. I felt like if I did that, I’d be killing somebody. He wasn’t really involved in anything except video games. That night, he played Call of Duty, this very gory war game that was his life. I slept alone. It mattered to me what the father wanted to do. I was cheating on my boyfriend with a guy who laid out the pros and cons and said, “You’d have to be a mother forever.” I kind of hoped it was his baby. My boyfriend said things like, “I don’t have to worry about it until it pops out.” I just looked at him and couldn’t imagine raising a child with him. It was an epiphany. I went by myself. I took the first pill and was given a prescription for Vicodin. At the time, I was an illegal immigrant, so I couldn’t show the pharmacy an I.D. My friend came to use hers. I told her everything. At her apartment, I was puking and pooping, everything at the same time, delirious, unable to stand up. I expected to have regret, but I didn’t. I left him. I made it to school again. I rediscovered all these things I like to do.


Frances, 18
Texas, 2012
Because I was only 16, I needed to go to the court. Everything took about a week. I stayed with my sister in the city where the clinic was, 45 minutes away from where I lived, so my dad wouldn’t know. First I went to get an ultrasound—I was nervous, but it was like a usual checkup. I met with a lawyer, and then me, and my lawyer, the judge, and a lady who typed everything sat at a table. It was a little awkward—the judge was an older man. After growing up Catholic, I felt really ashamed having to tell him, but I knew what I wanted, and he understood, which was amazing. I wasn’t ready. My boyfriend was a dropout. I kept telling him he should go get his GED, but he didn’t. After I got approval from the judge, I went to Planned Parenthood with my papers. I didn’t want my boyfriend to be there. I was nervous. I did have an attachment to this thing you couldn’t even physically hold. I’d think about what kind of amazing life a kid deserves and feel upset I wouldn’t be able to provide that. The worst part was with my boyfriend. Afterward, he wanted to have sex, but I said, “No, it still hurts,” but he didn’t care. He was my first. I found out the person I loved wasn’t a good person.

[Suits]

Reading that was horrifying.

[Statsi]

Damn genocide. Your body, your responsibility. While I know in america you have some weird lobby holding back free acess to fertility control in the Uk it's just as bad without that excuse. Women have had effective fertility control for decades and still this monstrous amount of abortion continues. I'm pro choice, no-one is pro abortion though, women simply not stepped up to the responsibility of their fertility.

[aphelion]

The hell are you guys complaining about abortion for? Is this the 700 Club?

[aphelion]

Although, lol @ 'I hoped it was his baby'

[J.J.]

(11-11-2013 10:03 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

The hell are you guys complaining about abortion for? Is this the 700 Club?

A lot of guys here for some unknown reason hate a lot of the things that make sex easier for them like abortion, sluts, birth control, etc. Banning abortion equals less sex for men.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-11-2013 10:25 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

A lot of guys here for some unknown reason hate a lot of the things that make sex easier for them like abortion, sluts, birth control, etc. Banning abortion equals less sex for men.

[scorpion]

Abortion used to not bother me. I supported it on the grounds of personal freedom, namely that I didn't like the idea of the government telling a person what they could do to their body. Plus it was sort of a relief knowing that if I accidentally knocked a girl up that option was always open. I was also swayed by the argument that if the fetus wasn't viable, it wasn't a person, so terminating it was not the same as killing a person. But I've gradually changed my view.

Now, I find it horrifying. The idea of a pregnant woman killing the child growing inside of her is just appalling, especially when done for no other reason that convenience. Just because the mother "didn't want" the baby. I think that enabling women to so casually kill their offspring sends a shockwave through society that affects us all. It makes us into a society that doesn't value life or innocence. A child is not seen as the future, but as a burden that gets in the way of our selfish pleasure-seeking. Ultimately, the only reason any of us are sitting here is because our mothers didn't make that decision. For a woman, aborting her own child is literally the most unnatural thing she can do. It goes against her entire purpose in life. A society that encourages its women to kill their unborn children en masse is a society of death and decay.

The only abortion I support anymore is when the fetus is shown to have severe birth defects. I think that in situations like that, the more merciful decision is to terminate and spare the child a miserable, painful life.

[J.J.]

(11-11-2013 11:26 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 10:25 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

A lot of guys here for some unknown reason hate a lot of the things that make sex easier for them like abortion, sluts, birth control, etc. Banning abortion equals less sex for men.

I don't really care what a girl does in her free time. All I care about is having as much sex with as many women possible. I'm not getting married so I don't care about that shit. When society breaks down, I'll be rotting in the ground, so it will be someone else's problem.

[HeyPete]

Well one thing's for certain ... They are all SO BRAVE!


Oh wait, no they're not. Just selfish cunts.

[scorpion]

(11-12-2013 12:07 AM)J.J. Wrote:  

I don't really care what a girl does in her free time. All I care about is having as much sex with as many women possible. I'm not getting married so I don't care about that shit. When society breaks down, I'll be rotting in the ground, so it will be someone else's problem.

Aren't you glad your father and grandfather were better men than you? Countless generations of men and women making sacrifices for their children and slowly building society, all leading up ultimately to this: you sitting around, enjoying modern comforts and ease due to the inventions of other men, gloating about being a piece of shit and passing the buck to the next generation. Is this what being a man is about these days?

Embarrassing.

[thebassist]

I wouldn't be surprised if having an abortion really psychologically damages a woman, reading some of these stories.

I guess at heart they know that they're literally killing their children.

[Benoit]

(11-12-2013 12:31 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Aren't you glad your father and grandfather were better men than you? Countless generations of men and women making sacrifices for their children and slowly building society, all leading up ultimately to this: you sitting around, enjoying modern comforts and ease due to the inventions of other men, gloating about being a piece of shit and passing the buck to the next generation. Is this what being a man is about these days?

Embarrassing.

Have you taken a look at the society we've ended up with recently?

I am philosophically opposed to abortion, but when it came down to it I took my girl to get rid. No way was I going to let a child of mine grow up in this world with a mother like that.

I have no regrets that I'm not financially obligated to support an alcoholic for the next 15 years.

Did it psychologically damage her? Possibly, but she was already damaged to start with.

[InternationPlayboy]

I have no problem with abortion. If you knocked a broad up at 18 accidentally and didn't have a rich family and had hardly any money yourself, would you want to have the kid? How do you think that kids life would be. By the time he's in first grade his parents don't have enough money to give him a good life because they haven't been able to keep up and save money because of diapers, clothes, and food for the baby. Even having the kid gives you a whole new set of responsibility at an age where you are just starting to learn to take care of yourself. A lot of kids born this way end up becoming scum to society. Not all of them, but many of them. I mean shit, we all here love fucking, if you knocked up a girl tomorrow that you didn't give a shit about, would you want the kid? I know I sure as hell wouldn't. I may want a kid one day, but I know now is not the time. I wouldn't want to give him the type of life he deserves at this point in my life. I have too much I still want to do for myself, and I'd like to be much more established. Maybe it's a little selfish, but it is what it is, and to some extent it's selfless at the same time that it's selfish because I don't want to bring a kid into this world when I feel I can't put forth my 100% devotion to raising him at this point in my life.

That being said I am very responsible about being safe during sex. I almost never go unprotected unless it's with a girl I'm seeing regularly and am sure she's on the pill. The few times I have had it unprotected I made sure to get the plan b pill the day after, even if the condom broke and I'm feeling a little sketched out about it. But you just never know what's going to happen.

[The Beast1]

I'll say it:

I'd give up my ability to be a cad to not have to go through an abortion again. The thought of what could be horrifies me.

I wish I could go back to 1951, meet a sweet girl in high school/ college, get married, and be a boss that way. I am a one woman man and I wish I could have started a family young.

I doubt i'll ever get my wish though.

Being a cad is awesome and the system benefits me. But a part of me wishes for a more conservative time. Abortion fucked up my relationship with my last girlfriend. I'm a husk of what I once was and it is taking time to get over it.

Consequently, I have no problem with it either. I'm pro choice because I don't have to carry the thing. But stability and a good family life are very important and I'd rather not have to deal with this at all by getting married young and just being blissfully unaware of the cad lifestyle.

[Kingsley Davis]

(11-12-2013 03:15 AM)thebassist Wrote:  

I wouldn't be surprised if having an abortion really psychologically damages a woman, reading some of these stories.

I guess at heart they know that they're literally killing their children.

Similar to how they know that their cock carouselling is a detriment to landing a high value man.

[Mentavious]

That second lady almost made me puke

[Wutang]

(11-12-2013 12:31 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(11-12-2013 12:07 AM)J.J. Wrote:  

I don't really care what a girl does in her free time. All I care about is having as much sex with as many women possible. I'm not getting married so I don't care about that shit. When society breaks down, I'll be rotting in the ground, so it will be someone else's problem.

Aren't you glad your father and grandfather were better men than you? Countless generations of men and women making sacrifices for their children and slowly building society, all leading up ultimately to this: you sitting around, enjoying modern comforts and ease due to the inventions of other men, gloating about being a piece of shit and passing the buck to the next generation. Is this what being a man is about these days?

Embarrassing.

We've been living off the fruits of our fathers for a while now. It's ironic that to get to the point we are now, meaning a society where we can indulge our whims with the consequences greatly reduced (ie. abortion on demand) there first had to be a generations after generations of men who were strong willed enough to deny themselves the pleasures and indulgences we enjoy now.

I'm sure there's a lot of people these days that view those men from past periods as brained-washed blue pillers that were willing to submit themselves to the system and become human beasts of burden but we wouldn't have be able to have the luxury of being able to laugh at their plight if they weren't there to build the foundations for us to able to have the spare time to study and brood over what they couldn't (ie. red pill ideas).

As for abortion, even if you're pro-choice (and personally I am) it should be treated the same I believe war should be treated: as a regrettable last choice that had to be made because all else had failed. It certainly shouldn't be celebrated. I find guys frothing at the mouth with delight over the thought of their tribal enemies lying rotting under the sun to be loathsome in the same way as a woman celebrating her abortion as some sort of demonstration of girl power to be. I'm not attacking the women in this article for that since lots of them seem to either have mixed feelings or feel tinges of regret but I have seen incidents where some chick was holding up her abortion as a way to score some feminist points.

[WesternCancer]

Id rather a woman ruin herself by abortion than ruin the life of her child by being a shitty single mother.

[MattW]

(11-11-2013 10:25 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 10:03 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

The hell are you guys complaining about abortion for? Is this the 700 Club?

A lot of guys here for some unknown reason hate a lot of the things that make sex easier for them like abortion, sluts, birth control, etc. Banning abortion equals less sex for men.

What is good for me personally is not necessarily good for society/civilization. I think a lot of people here have thought about this dichotomy, and I think it's perfectly acceptable to hold both views. There's a quote by F. Scott Fitzgerald that struck me a few years ago: "The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

[Kingsley Davis]

(11-12-2013 08:50 PM)MattW Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 10:25 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 10:03 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

The hell are you guys complaining about abortion for? Is this the 700 Club?

A lot of guys here for some unknown reason hate a lot of the things that make sex easier for them like abortion, sluts, birth control, etc. Banning abortion equals less sex for men.

What is good for me personally is not necessarily good for society/civilization. I think a lot of people here have thought about this dichotomy, and I think it's perfectly acceptable to hold both views. There's a quote by F. Scott Fitzgerald that struck me a few years ago: "The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."

Great quote. Drove by his grave in the DC burbs this evening.

[Lyokoz]

(11-11-2013 10:01 PM)Statsi Wrote:  

Damn genocide. Your body, your responsibility. While I know in america you have some weird lobby holding back free acess to fertility control in the Uk it's just as bad without that excuse. Women have had effective fertility control for decades and still this monstrous amount of abortion continues. I'm pro choice, no-one is pro abortion though, women simply not stepped up to the responsibility of their fertility.

.......What was planned parenthood founded for again?

[Days of Broken Arrows]

The problem with this story is not about individual abortions or why it should be legal or illegal or anything like that.

It's about the absolute fucking shamelessness of American women and the media's complicity in turning the people we used to shame into ones we now call "heroes."

Maybe abortion is good for guys in that it's a get-out-of-jail-free card. But the media pedestalizing screwed up women isn't. This sort of story helps to create the very type of attention-whoring, dysfunctional drama queens that have made American women so unbearable to begin with. It makes it so we can't shame people who need to be shamed. And when no women can be shamed, who do you think gets shamed? It's us.

Here is what this story and others like it are saying, in essence:

You had an abortion? You're a hero!
You're a fat pig? You're a hero!
Walk away from your kids and husband? A hero!
Want to be a college lesbian? A hero!
Make a false rape charge? A media martyr!
Want to play for the boys team and ruin the sport? A hero!
You got an ugly tattoo? A hero!
Jennifer Lawrence cuts of all her hair and looks old and ugly? A role model!!!

So, this whole "re-norming" of the culture has a cumulative effect and gives us the mega-dysfunctional women that (I assume) partially led to Roosh starting this board. Few of my above examples would have been cause for celebration in the 1970s, much less the '50s.

Women should be free to make any choice they want. But it's another matter entirely when they have no shame about making certain choices and say so in public -- and the media makes them "stars" for their bad decisions.

PS: Had this story idea been pitched as "I walked away from my child" and been about men, you can bet it would have never run in this manner.

[Tail Gunner]

(11-11-2013 10:25 PM)J.J. Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 10:03 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

The hell are you guys complaining about abortion for? Is this the 700 Club?

A lot of guys here for some unknown reason hate a lot of the things that make sex easier for them like abortion, sluts, birth control, etc. Banning abortion equals less sex for men.

Some things are morally reprehensible regardless of their effect upon a particular individual. That is the price of being a human being and living in a civilized society instead of being an animal. A man accepts responsibility for his own actions -- and he certainly does not sacrifice the innocent.

[Benoit]

(11-13-2013 02:19 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Some things are morally reprehensible regardless of their effect upon a particular individual. That is the price of being a human being and living in a civilized society instead of being an animal. A man accepts responsibility for his own actions -- and he certainly does not sacrifice the innocent.

A wise man also tries to avoid causing unnecessary suffering to those innocents.

The venn diagram of "fine slam-piece", "wife material" and "good mother" has very limited overlap.

In the olden days, the worst women were still capable of functioning as human beings, if you had to go through a shotgun wedding then you'd at least get food cooked for you and your house cleaned. I wouldn't trust most modern women to watch my drink if I left the room.