[Glock]

I searched for "Kristopher Oswald" and did not find any previous posts on this subject, so I don't believe this is a dupe.

Check out this story. An employee working the graveyard shift at Wal-Mart who stocks shelves risked life and limb to save a female customer who was being attacked in the parking lot at 2:30 a.m. Wal-Mart fired him two days later for "intervening," but public pressure has forced Wal-Mart to offer this White Knight his job back. He isn't going back. Here are the news links:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...m/3187049/

This one has video: http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/10/18/...ker-fired/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/...ets-fired/

My own personal view is that I am no longer willing to risk life and limb to save "strong, independent" women. They've made it clear that they want to be equal. If they want the benefits of equality, they'll also have to pay the costs -- such as keeping themselves safe, as opposed to posing as the "weaker sex" to get men to protect them. It is deeply unfair for women to have it both ways: to be "strong and independent" when it advantages them, but to pose as "damsels in distress" (i.e., the "weaker sex") whenever they need something at men's cost.

Here's the question for the forum: would you have intervened to save this woman?

[Aliblahba]

The moral is stay away from Wal-Mart.

[Flint]

What is your problem? This guy displayed honorable civil courage and that he had the balls to help someone whom he doesn't know. No need to decry him as a "white knight".

[Basil Ransom]

How do you know he was 'white knighting' and not just being a good Samaritan?

[Tuthmosis]

I seeing white knights getting what they deserve. Wish he'd been beaten a little more, but at least he lost his job.

Zero tolerance for white-knighthood is the only way to eradicate all of it.

[j r]

I think of white knighting as intervening for women who don't deserve it just because they are women. There is nothing wrong with intervening for women, and men, who are being legitimately victimized.

[JimNortonFan]

What kind of civilization is it when men are punished for standing up for those who are physically weaker and other men cheer it on?

One where female hypergamy is unleashed.

The animal is out of the cage and it's everyone for themselves. Get it while it lasts men because it can't.

On an emotional level Tuthmosis' post enrages me but on a logical level he's right. I now have zero buy in to the USA or my community or any entity other than myself and my circle.

This civilization is not resilient enough to handle a real challenge. Either that real challenge comes or the civilization is taken over by a more vigorous ideology or SWPL is simply outbred by those who don't buy into the BS.

The only way this state of affairs continues is that robots and computers take over the running of the society because Beta men will not.

[Glock]

(10-27-2013 12:17 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

How do you know he was 'white knighting' and not just being a good Samaritan?

There's a difference between a White Knight and Good Samaritan. You will recall that the Good Samaritan was a man helping another man who had been robbed, beaten, and left for dead. Luke 10:30-37. The Good Samaritan did use any physical force against anyone. I would not call anyone a White Knight simply for helping an injured person who is dying by the side of the road; nor would anyone else on this forum do that. Being a Good Samaritan entails helping someone who is helpless or otherwise unable to help themselves, regardless of gender. Good Samaritans don't take sides or use physical force. (Batman, for instance, is not a Good Samaritan.)

White Knights are different. They are men who blindly help women solely to fulfill some perceived gender role, on the basis that women "need to be protected," are "weaker," or are "damsels in distress." White Knights are also hypocritical. They are the first ones to speak out in favor of women's equality even as they protect women on the basis of their gender.

This guy looks more like a White Knight than a Good Samaritan to me. He rushed to help the female without really knowing anything about what was going on. Watch the video. He looks like a classic White Knight to me.

I'll allow that it's possible I'm wrong. But there's more evidence of a White Knight here than a Good Samaritan.

I'd like to know, however, whether you would risk life and limb to save a woman in these times. Or, would you accept that women are "equal" and let her protect herself?

[Hades]

I sort of think that the tragedy is in this line -

Quote:

After Oswald's story was disseminated nationally and reaction against the company on social-media sites such as Twitter was scathing, the company reconsidered its stance Oct. 18 and offered Oswald his job back.

So big companies will only ever make exceptions to their (asinine) rules when it makes them look very bad not to do so?

[Mikev75]

Wal-Mart is creepy

[Basil Ransom]

"I'd like to know, however, whether you would risk life and limb to save a woman in these times. Or, would you accept that women are "equal" and let her protect herself?"

I wouldn't save a woman if I wouldn't save a man. I'm not sure I'd intervene, but I don't disparage others for doing so.

That said, any man who tries to 'protect' a woman from an abusive husband or boyfriend is a fool. She put herself there.

At the rate chicks flake on me, I'd be hard pressed to intervene if doing so posed any danger to me. I agree, the wanton, every day disrespect from women towards men makes me apathetic towards helping them. Western women have a learned helplessness, much unlike women in poorer countries like Ukraine.

[HeyPete]

(10-27-2013 01:36 PM)Hades Wrote:  

So big companies will only ever make exceptions to their (asinine) rules when it makes them look very bad not to do so?

Simple answer: Yes.

[The Beast1]

Yeah, i'm a white knight. I would have helped the chick and a guy if he was getting attacked. Don't white knight a girl's emotional problem.

[Samseau]

We just don't know enough about this story to judge if it was white knighting or not.

[F1Driver]

(10-27-2013 12:17 PM)Flint Wrote:  

What is your problem? This guy displayed honorable civil courage and that he had the balls to help someone whom he doesn't know. No need to decry him as a "white knight".

exactly.

Sometimes you need to step in and take care of business.

[Rapparee]

Stopping legit white knighting is important, but this myopic, obsessive desire to shout "aha!" every time a man aids someone who happens to be female is not productive. If I see a woman getting attacked, I'll intervene too. Not for her approval, but because winning fights feeds my ego. Pick your battles maybe, and save your angst for the people who really earn it.

[Kingsley Davis]

(10-27-2013 09:54 PM)Rapparee Wrote:  

Stopping legit white knighting is important, but this myopic, obsessive desire to shout "aha!" every time a man aids someone who happens to be female is not productive. If I see a woman getting attacked, I'll intervene too. Not for her approval, but because winning fights feeds my ego. Pick your battles maybe, and save your angst for the people who really earn it.

So you're saying you'd even intervene for a black woman getting attacked in a less than savory urban setting because you winning fights assuage your ego?

   

[Katatonic]

(10-27-2013 01:36 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I sort of think that the tragedy is in this line -

Quote:

After Oswald's story was disseminated nationally and reaction against the company on social-media sites such as Twitter was scathing, the company reconsidered its stance Oct. 18 and offered Oswald his job back.

So big companies will only ever make exceptions to their (asinine) rules when it makes them look very bad not to do so?

Walmart has had to take that stance because of the litigious society we live in. If a Walmart employee intervenes in a situation and somebody ends up getting hurt, it doesn't matter whether the party injured was guilty or innocent, Walmart will be sued.

Do you expect anything else from a country where every motherfucker is a "victim" of something? I don't know when it happened exactly, but there has been a polar shift in society and it is far from patriarchal. The professional victimhood so fucking prevalent even in men today can only be the product of a matriarchal society.

[Mage]

Is being fired from a Walmart a bad thing?

[Tytalus]

I don't think this is white knighting, a lot of us would have helped a man or woman being attacked -alone- in a parking lot late at night.

White knighting is out of nowhere in the parking lot yelling, "Hey man you're creeping that chick out walking too close to her" without her even asking or feeling threatened. OR some other stupid shit.

[Dr. Howard]

In my younger days I would have condoned this kind of intervention. Back then if I had intervened and it caught someone else's attention they likely would have joined in for support.

Nowadays I think the bystander effect is too strong. If I were to intervene and it became more than I could handle the next person along would be more likely to take out their phone and start recording instead of helping.

[Rapparee]

Bottom line, I get the sense that there are some people who will shriek "white knight" about any action that benefits a female. Are you really so gangster you'd ignore an old lady getting mugged because helping would be beta?

[CTking]

Doesnt seem like white knighting to me. The more important question is wtf is wrong with people these days, firing a guy for doing something good? Guy should get a raise and a promotion. Then agian its wal mart, what can you expect.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(10-27-2013 12:01 PM)Consul Wrote:  

My own personal view is that I am no longer willing to risk life and limb to save "strong, independent" women. They've made it clear that they want to be equal. If they want the benefits of equality, they'll also have to pay the costs -- such as keeping themselves safe, as opposed to posing as the "weaker sex" to get men to protect them. It is deeply unfair for women to have it both ways: to be "strong and independent" when it advantages them, but to pose as "damsels in distress" (i.e., the "weaker sex") whenever they need something at men's cost.

[Glock]

(10-28-2013 12:18 PM)Rapparee Wrote:  

Bottom line, I get the sense that there are some people who will shriek "white knight" about any action that benefits a female. Are you really so gangster you'd ignore an old lady getting mugged because helping would be beta?

I wouldn't risk life and limb unless it was someone I knew and cared about.

What if you put yourself at risk and died? The ones you love would be out of luck because you chose to be a hero. And if your heroism was motivated by chivalry, you are by definition a white knight, and, in our society, a sucker.

Heroism and self-sacrifice for the group -- formerly known as honor -- no longer have the same place in our society. Those who continue to live according to such values in the service of strangers will be taken advantage of. No good deed will go unpunished.

There are lots of examples of women who have taken advantage of men who were trying to behave according to the old ways of honor, and our society allows those men to be suckered. One of the easiest cons by women is to pretend to be a damsel in distress. Don't assume anyone will come running to save you. Take a look at this video segment in which a man's drink was drugged by a woman. (It is of course staged.) Almost nobody came to this man's aid, even as he was falling over and obviously about to be robbed by the woman. This is the fate of people who don't accept that we live in different world. Here's the clip:

http://abcnews.go.com/WhatWouldYouDo/vid...k-12355434