[Northern]

It has been said a lot here about Brazilian girls. I met a few Brazilian tourists and that made me want to go to the source. But Brazil is quite far away and I am thinking about going to Europe next year. So, are Portuguese girls comparable to Brazilians ones? It is not trolling, I simply have not met any Portuguese girls.

[Icarus]

(10-06-2013 06:34 AM)Northern Wrote:  

So, are Portuguese girls comparable to Brazilians ones? It is not trolling, I simply have not met any Portuguese girls.

Respectfully, yours is arguably the most outrageous question ever asked on RVF.

So, are Portuguese girls comparable to Brazilian ones? Depends on what social class you're talking about. Middle upper class / upper class girls in Porto and Lisbon are comparable to some upper class girls in Rio, for they come from the same genetic and cultural material (the old Brazilian aristocracy comes from the old Portuguese aristocracy). Lower class girls in Portugal have virtually no common genetic / cultural material with lower class girls in Brazil.

Moreover, the stereotypical Brazilian girl, the "mulata" with a big "bunda" is an ill-defined type from the genetic viewpoint, since it contains wildly varying percentages of European / Amerindian / Negroid DNA. You can find extreme beauty and extreme ugliness amongst this mixed-blood group. Hard to generalize.

Even the European-blooded Brazilian girls tend to be mixed: Portuguese-Italian hybrids are common in São Paulo, Italian-German hybrids are common in the Southern states (i.e., Paraná, Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul), but there are also Portuguese-Lebanese, German-Polish, Italian-Polish, Portuguese-Ukrainian, Portuguese-Spanish, Portuguese-Japanese hybrids.

On Portuguese girls, here's what I wrote last March:

(03-18-2013 01:16 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

Though I am Brazilian, I have Portuguese ancestry and have spent quite some time in Portugal. Some observations and thoughts:

• You won't see lots of pretty girls walking around. The pretty (or prettier) girls tend to be upper middle class or upper class, and they have their own cars, so they drive. They don't walk, and they don't use public transportation. You may find them in shopping malls during the weekend. Strangely, the touristic areas in Portuguese cities are sometimes shabby and inhabited by the lower classes. For example, the "Ribeira" area in Porto is almost a favela in some parts, and it's the main touristic attraction. It's crazy.
  

• The posh, pretty girls tend to live in the "Foz" area in Porto (the upscale area by the seaside), or in the "linha" (i.e., Cascais / Estoril, near Lisbon). You can find them in the Algarve during the Easter / Summer holidays, especially in Vilamoura. They may not look that "Latin" to you, though. Old money in Portugal has mixed with English / German / French / Dutch blood for a few centuries. Roughly speaking, the more Nordic-looking a Portuguese girl is, the higher in the social ladder she is. One of the hottest chicks I have met in my whole life was a gorgeous blonde from Oeiras. She came from an aristocratic family and had German ancestry, too. She married a rich guy from an aristocratic French family.
  

• Forget about day game. Like many others have mentioned in this thread and in other threads on Portugal, it's all about social circles. If you know a Portuguese guy who comes from old money, is good-looking, dresses well, and is doing well professionally and financially, then do try to access his social circles. If you succeed, you will be amazed at how much higher the quality of the girls is in these circles! You just don't see these girls walking around if you go for a walk. They usually study at the Catholic University.
  

• Assuming you have penetrated posh social circles, what next? If you're German / Dutch / Scandinavian, dress well, have good manners, and have some game, you will do well. Just like in Brazil, Nordic guys have it much easier in Portugal. I was in Portugal with a bunch of international friends during the Euro 2004 soccer event, and the Danish guys in our group were getting laid like champs. The girls were actively hunting them.
  

• The dating scene is indeed chaotic. Like others have mentioned, there's no real dating scene. It's the "let's have a cafézinho" bullshit. Too passive-aggressive for my taste. It's like people are trying to maintain plausible deniability until, suddenly, they decide to bang. Portugal is a traditional country, and until very recently women would only leave their parents' house to get married. Even when they go to college, they often live with their parents. This was OK when people got married at 20. But now people marry at 27-32. It's like young people are left in a limbo for a decade, and it's painful. The older generation did not engineer social protocols to allow single males and single females to interact in a healthy way. To make matters worse, the economic crisis prevents young people from attaining a level of financial stability that allows them to move out of their parents' house permanently. You'd expect people to relax after a few drinks at a night club, right? Not really. Most people are dancing alone, or holding their drink and looking at the crowd, looking too cool to actually have fun. I remember partying in Portuguese clubs with some Czech, Ukrainian, and Lithuanian chicks, and we were the only group in which males were actually dancing with females. The Portuguese girls did not seem too interested in dancing with anyone other than their girlfriends. It's weird.
  

Having said that, Portugal is definitely worth visiting, since it's a beautiful country, with great food, great wine, and good surf. Just don't go there to game chicks. Get a Nordic, Baltic, or Slavic girl, and then take her to Portugal for a relaxing vacation.

[LEMONed IScream]

I'm portuguese. Er, there's absolutely no comparison, Brazilian girls are more diverse, overall better, easier to get, have less of an attitude. That said, if you want to compare them looks wise it can a bit difficult, but Brazil has more and better honestly. You can find really really hot portuguese girls especially in higher classes, but getting them? Riiiiiiiiight. As per brazillian girls, I think some guys overrate them in general because a good portion is hella hot, as any country they also have their fuglies. Portugal has been improving quite a lot in terms of looks of girls, the difference between 25+ and 25- is notorious. They're not as bad as many guys here have put it, you just need to spend more time and have better social circles.

However there's really no valid reason to choose portuguese over brazillian ones IMO. I personally like the southern brazillian ones more, mostly the type that gets on the "novelas", that said, I'm not a super fan of either. Although Japzillian mix is just... The mixing, the quantity, the quality, the availability, makes Brazil much better. That's it.

[Brosemite]

^^ Yeah could have used search function for this question.

I will say this...how Icarus deemed Portuguese women is very accurate. From my experiences with Portuguese people whether in Europe or the US is how they put their women on pedestals despite not being so attractive. Why's that? It's because of their hardcore ethnic pride.

I have a good friend who killed it in Erasmus living in Poland yet still obsesses about Portuguese women because of his ethnic pride & the value they affiliate with the females from their country.

[LEMONed IScream]

Pedestralize them? Well I know a few guys that do that, not many though. Fortunately I am immune to those silly pride questions, I trash them whenever I can I do it less since I've started university, the quality, quantity and personalitits (oops) have improved quite a bit, so I like them a little more.
That's about it though. Would NEVER marry a portuguese girl. Too naggy.

(10-06-2013 10:29 AM)yb13 Wrote:  

^^ Yeah could have used search function for this question.

I will say this...how Icarus deemed Portuguese women is very accurate. From my experiences with Portuguese people whether in Europe or the US is how they put their women on pedestals despite not being so attractive. Why's that? It's because of their hardcore ethnic pride.

I have a good friend who killed it in Erasmus living in Poland yet still obsesses about Portuguese women because of his ethnic pride & the value they affiliate with the females from their country.

[hipster]

As Icarus said most 100% white girls in Brazil are mixed from different european countries but for whatever reason i think most of them end looking like the portuguese ones ...

[Icarus]

(10-06-2013 12:10 PM)hipster Wrote:  

most 100% white girls in Brazil are mixed from different european countries but for whatever reason i think most of them end looking like the portuguese ones ...

That is because the Portuguese themselves are a mix of non-Indo-European Paleohispanic (like the Basque), Celtic, Phoenician, Carthaginian, Greek (legend is that Lisbon was founded by Ulysses), Latin (i.e., Roman), Germanic (i.e., Suebi, Visigothic, Buri), Jewish, Arabic, Berber, and Iranic (i.e., Alani, now known as Ossetian) peoples. Moreover, the Portuguese aristocracy has been mixing with all the European aristocracies for centuries. The same applies to the Spanish, of course, who come from the same gene pool, and whose history is similar.

So, a Brazilian girl of Portuguese-Lebanese ancestry is just a Portuguese girl with a strong Phoenician component ;-)

[Sp5]

(10-06-2013 12:22 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

That is because the Portuguese themselves are a mix of non-Indo-European Paleohispanic (like the Basque), Celtic, Phoenician, Carthaginian, Greek (legend is that Lisbon was founded by Ulysses), Latin (i.e., Roman), Germanic (i.e., Suebi, Visigothic, Buri), Jewish, Arabic, Berber, and Iranic (i.e., Alani, now known as Ossetian) peoples. Moreover, the Portuguese aristocracy has been mixing with all the European aristocracies for centuries. The same applies to the Spanish, of course, who come from the same gene pool, and whose history is similar.

So, a Brazilian girl of Portuguese-Lebanese ancestry is just a Portuguese girl with a strong Phoenician component ;-)

Thank you, I did not know about the Alani migration to Hispania.

I wonder how many DNA haplogroups you get out of that population.

[hipster]

(10-07-2013 05:21 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I wonder how many DNA haplogroups you get out of that population.

Portugal:

R1b = 59.9%
R1a = 2%
I1 = 6.1%
I2 = 1.5%
E-M35 = 12.5%
J1 = 3.4%
J2 = 7.0%
G = 5.5%
K = 1.6%
Other = 0.5%

. By Beleza, et al., 2006. Contributors: Universidade de Porto, Universidad de Santiago de Compostela, Universitat Pompeu Fabra, Barcelona, Oxford University.