Quote: (09-29-2013 12:01 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:
Quote: (09-29-2013 05:28 AM)RawGod Wrote:
The testosterone decline due to age is not as steep as people think.
It averages about 1% per year from your baseline as a 30 year old, so a 30% drop by age 60. Individual youthful testosterone baselines vary by 400% or more, so that's a larger factor than the age-related decline. And don't forget that levels spike and drop by 20-50% during a normal day. There was a TED talk that showed a 20% spike by assuming body language "power positions" for 2 minutes. So do that before your date and you just reversed 20 years of decline.
It's not just possible but quite easy to maintain your youthful levels into late middle age with just natural lifestyle improvements. In fact, I had a study somewhere which showed that round 20% of people maintained or even increased their levels as they aged, and that was in the general population, not a group of lifestyle hackers or athletes.
So there may be some losses in vitality with age, but don't put it down to an inevitable and dramatic lowering of testosterone.
Great post, RawGod. Natural decline in test with age is not that big of a deal and it's exaggerated by hags and their allies who want to troll men into strictly age-appropriate relationships.
Two big test killers are hard drinking and hard aerobic exercise. Both are terrible over time. I see so many guys either drinking or running themselves into decline. The big test boosters are sun exposure and weight training.
I know a guy who is a contractor in his mid 50's, so he works outside a lot. He also lifts weights like a monster, especially he does brutal deep squats. This guy is much more into pussy and life in general than most dudes in their 20's.
@ RG and @ LOZ:
Are you guys talking from personal experience, as well with stuff that you may have read - b/c I understand in theory about average declines of testosterone in men and what kinds of activities are thought to be better for maintaining testosterone levels at more youthful amounts? However, are you guys experience something similar to what you are claiming to be the case? or a form of maintenance?
I have not had my testosterone levels tested (which now I am becoming a little more curious - it would be nice to know at various ages, and maybe even ask the doctor how he would know about my today's testosterone levels if he never did a check in earlier days - I may have had a testosterone test and had not realized it? I have never complained to my doctor about sexual function issues, and we have never gotten into any specific discussions with my doctor), so I do not have a reference point concerning actual laboratory tests of myself to say that mine has declined, but I can notice that my energy levels regarding carrying out activities and my frequency and ease of getting erections has declined.
Let's take the erections, for example. When I was in my 20s, on an ongoing basis, I could get erections really easily by just thinking about something (well kind of inability to control it) and bang a woman days on end 3-5 times per day for one or two weeks straight. Let's say 40 to 50 bangs over a two week period, which ends up averaging 3-4 bangs a day even though some days may have 5 bangs and other days fewer (I know from experiencing it).
These days, 20 years later, I may be able to easily get an erection and bang a woman that I just met b/c I am aroused by her sexually, and I am very excited three times in a day, but no way could I muster enough energy to bang her 3 times per day for days on end. I am probably lucky if I am able to muster enough arousal towards the girl to bang her for a couple of weeks a couple of times a day for several days in a row. I know this from experience, as well.
Also, in my 20s I could get aroused to bang almost anything, even if I was not very attracted to the girl, i could still get aroused. I did not necessarily act on all of my arousals. These days, it takes a little more attraction for me to get and to stay aroused. I attribute all of this decline in arousal and ease of erections to aging rather than to any particular medical problem that I may have b/c I have noticed this decline, that seemed to have started in about my mid 30s (even though i only perceived it slightly beginning about in my mid 30s).
Of course the older guys have even more time over which to explain their personal situations, and whether they have noticed any decline. I am sure it may be possible for some to have increased libido, but I would imagine that is an exception based on either some lifestyle change or drug substitution changes.
For my concerns about erections and performance, I personally am expecting to begin supplementing with Cialis (or some other erectile performance enhancement drug) when I begin traveling in SEA - which will start in about this upcoming February.