[Courage Reborn]

Question; Why do some cities rock when it comes to meeting tons of hot fresh faced women, and others not?

Lets put aside costs, logistics, and food for a moment.

I ran some numbers, working with a data point I felt was easy to quantify; age. Came away with some interesting results.

First, I took a random sampling of metro area populations from wikipedia, and compared it to that of their student populations.



For the 3rd column, I simply divided the number of students into the general population. These results show that for an average city like Glasgow UK, 1 in 46 people you meet will be a university student.

From what I found online, university students are defined between 18-26 y/o. Now sure, the best looking age for a woman is qualitative. But for this example, I'm going to assume 23 is a good age that many hotties are concentrated in and around at. Plus it's conveniently right smack in the middle of our university age population.

Now when placed on a graph, the city differences became more visually apparent;





Poland FTW?

What's more interesting however, is that the outliers at the ends quickly become exponential.

Going back to Glasgow for example, 1 in 92 will be a *female* university student (assuming a 50/50 student population, we double 1 in 46 to 1 in 92).

From here, let's give those Scottish lassies the benefit of the doubt, and assume that 10% of any given population of 18-26 y/o women are an hb8 or above. Maybe that's generous, but we'll apply it across the board so it's fair.

1 in 92 young women now becomes just 1 in 846 (9.2 * 92). That's a lot more people to pass on the streets before seeing an hb8. Sounds about right though for the UK.

Now let's apply the same math to Poland.

Poznan has a college aged person 1 in 10. A statistical outlier. Using the 50/50 rule, that makes at least a 1 in 20 chance to be a girl. From there, using the 10% rule that she'll be an hb8 or above (but probably more likely due to less Mac Donalds) , we get an hb8 for just 1 of every 40 people.



1 in 40 hot girls in Poznan, compared to 1 in 846 in Glasgow.

Re; Moscow. I don't understand it. It has the lowest relative uni population I found data for, yet guys report hotties walking around all over the city. Are they really that common? Population density just way higher? Opting not to go to college? Data on the internet incorrect? Curious about this city.

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So what do you think? Does Poland really have the hottest girls, or mostly just younger on average? Are Poland's student populations statistical anomalies, resulting in a skewed perception of beauty?

Obviously there's a billion other factors at play. But I thought this was an interesting data point for discussion.

What other hidden gem cities might have anomalies like this?

[aphelion]

Brilliant analysis, of course. I think the Moscow university outlier is due to the fact that, most likely, most college age girls in Moscow simply aren't going to college, but are being hot models or whatever.

I think actual demographic studies are going to be more useful in certain cities. I think college populations are useful in determining the number of young women from middle-class and higher backgrounds, which preselects slightly for attractiveness. But in terms of raw demographics, outliers like Moscow need additional examination.

[Que enspastic]

great data.

now for the RVF interpretation of data.

[Architekt]

Might be interesting to see which of these cities become homes for "career women" in about 5-10 years

[RenewalMan]

Great analysis. I'm just a bit confused as to how you got 1:40 hb8 from 1:20 girls (same for Scotland).
If 1:20 people are student girls and 10% (0.1) of those people are hb8+, wouldn't it be (1/20)*.1 to get the amount of hb8+ students in the general population?

So 1/920 in Glasgow and 1/200 in Poznan

[Architekt]

(09-03-2013 08:15 AM)RenewalMan Wrote:  

Great analysis. I'm just a bit confused as to how you got 1:40 hb8 from 1:20 girls (same for Scotland).
If 1:20 people are student girls and 10% (0.1) of those people are hb8+, wouldn't it be (1/20)*.1 to get the amount of hb8+ students in the general population?

So 1/920 in Glasgow and 1/200 in Poznan

1:20 students, 50% of those being female makes 1:40 students that are female

[zuma]

Great analysis, very interesting.

Maybe you could consider adding the % of youth attending to university.

If you take in consideration Morocco for example, you have a lot of people from 18-25 years old, but not so much going to universities. Yet, you will see so many young girls around the cities. I think it's the same for Brazil and developing countries where you have so many people from 18-24 who don't go to university, because a lack of education and money.

[paninaro]

For university students, did you actually look at # of people enrolled in university, or just took population data on the overall population in a particular age range?

Both have their potential inaccuracies. The former may not includes those in trade schools/community colleges; the latter may not accurately reflect transient populations e.g. does a student who is in city X to study count as a resident of city X, or their hometown? Either way, as long as you're consistent, it's probably OK to use for comparison purposes.

Poland I've always found interesting population-wise because it's really spread out. This is a country of nearly 40 million people, yet if you add up the populations of the TEN largest cities, it's about 6.3 million, so only about 15% of the entire population lives in the ten largest cities. For a country of Poland's size, that means everyone is really spread out in small towns. (By comparison, about 15% of the entire population of the UK lives in the London area.)

[Tenerife]

I didn't notice a swarm of hot student women in Poznan. Don't get me wrong, it's a good city for finding attractive chicks, but they aren't crawling all over the place like you would think given the crazy number of students. Maybe that's due to the university to city layout and proximity.

I wouldn't let these statistics sway you one way or the other.

[Traveler86]

(09-03-2013 08:15 AM)RenewalMan Wrote:  

Great analysis. I'm just a bit confused as to how you got 1:40 hb8 from 1:20 girls (same for Scotland).
If 1:20 people are student girls and 10% (0.1) of those people are hb8+, wouldn't it be (1/20)*.1 to get the amount of hb8+ students in the general population?

So 1/920 in Glasgow and 1/200 in Poznan

This, He didnt apply the 10% rule in poland at the end of the equation which would transform 1 in 20 (proportion of all girls in student age in Poznan) to 1 in 200 (proportion of hb8+ using the 10% rule)

Same For glasgow, 1/92 being women on student age, and 1/920 being hb8+ in student age (again applying the 10% rule)


Anyway I dont believe in the 10% rule, because native young girls in glasgow who are hb8+ must be not more than 1-2% compared to Poznan or anywawhere in poland where the figures have to be around 20%


Yet there is still a huge empty hole on this theory, becase we are not even considering all those women who might be on student age, but who stoped studying for various reasons, finished their studies earlier than expected , are just working and not studying at given age, etc.

Lets say on average 60% (for both glasgow and Poznan) of hb8+ are studying (hence included in student population statics) and the rest of them are not included for reasos mentioned above.

That would turn out to be:

1/92 x 0,02 ( using realistically 2% hb8+ for glasgow) = 1/4600

1/4600 x 0,6 (using 60% rule) = 1/2760

hb8+ in glasgow = 1/2760


1/20 x 5 (using realistically 20% hb8+ for Poznan) = 1/100 19,78

1/100 x 0,6 (using 60% rule) = 1/60

hb8+ in Poznan = 1/60

Lets make it simple.. If you have to meet 46 times more women in Glasgow than in Poznan to find a hb8+.


If you have a 20% to chat up a hb8+ going to poznan, you will have only a 0,435% to do the same in glasgow.


never going to britain again..

[bacon]

Another useful way to get an idea of potential optimum poon numbers of a country not a city is to look at median age of the country. For instance a country like Italy has a female median age of 45.6 so the raw numbers for younger twenty year old woman are are far less in the oveall population than say the Philippines where the female median age is 23.2.

[iknowexactly]

(09-03-2013 12:56 AM)aphelion Wrote:  

Brilliant analysis, of course. I think the Moscow university outlier is due to the fact that, most likely, most college age girls in Moscow simply aren't going to college, but are being hot models or whatever.

Could be, there could be a pretty big percentage of village girls living in Moscow with all the high income guys/families there as "maids" (and concubines) or with families as au pairs, and they might count themselves lucky as village life is still grim.

This is great analysis as 18-30 are the only girls that are any use evolution-wise to many men. The upper age limit for women to interest me hasn't gone up in 15 years. I have almost absolutely zero attraction to obviously infertile women.

I once talked to a Russian girl in the USA about 18 years ago explaining that it wasn't very acceptable to have a much younger girl here in the US, and that people would criticize you for it here. She commented that if you DIDN'T want young girls ( legal of course) there was something wrong with you.

[zatara]

To add to the number of university students for a city, and average age of the population, the sex ratio is also important.



Light blue is '1', or 100 males for every 100 females. .95 would be be 95 males for every 100 females, 1.25 would be 125 males for every 100 females. So ideally you want as low a number as possible (Eastern Europe!).

[shotgun]

(first post here)

I live in Sao Paulo. Most lower class girls here can't afford to go to university. The public schools are hard to get into. The private schools are expensive for them. So they eventually get a dead end job.

Having been to both, I consider both Sao Paulo and Moscow to be great cities for meeting girls, by the way. But I think it has a lot to do with the dating market being skewed in favour of men in these places.

[Traveler86]

(09-04-2013 02:37 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

(first post here)

I live in Sao Paulo. Most lower class girls here can't afford to go to university. The public schools are hard to get into. The private schools are expensive for them. So they eventually get a dead end job.

Having been to both, I consider both Sao Paulo and Moscow to be great cities for meeting girls, by the way. But I think it has a lot to do with the dating market being skewed in favour of men in these places.

Sao paulo is very competitive datin wise, Its different to have native brazilians as your competence (horny and forward dudes) than having Russian dudes as your main obstacle to get girls (they barely approach women).

[WanderingSoul]

Good shit.

I think another useful bit of info to add would be the size of each city based on square meters/miles.

If a city is large and sprawling, students may be living in suburbs and all over the place.

However, if the city is relatively condensed, the student population and nightlife probably would be as well.

[shotgun]

(09-05-2013 11:37 PM)Traveler86 Wrote:  

Sao paulo is very competitive datin wise, Its different to have native brazilians as your competence (horny and forward dudes) than having Russian dudes as your main obstacle to get girls (they barely approach women).

Agree.

That's why venue selection is so crucial in a place like Sao Paulo, not so much in Moscow.