[playa]

(08-03-2013 02:20 AM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(08-02-2013 11:11 PM)playa Wrote:  

There is absolutely no culture here. No museums, no arts, no sports, nothing except bars, restaurants and gambling.

UFC is based here. I don't think any other North American city can call itself a BJJ / MMA mecca. SoCal could but thats an entire region not a city you can drive across in half an hour with a half dozen gyms. And don't try to tell me that Nascar and World Series of Poker are not sports.

Poker is not a sport, its another form of gambling. That's like saying Chess is a sport. Besides, I was talking about professional sports like baseball, football, basketball, hockey...all non existent in Vegas.

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Big cats are dangerous but a little pussy never hurt anyone.

[TheWolfHowls]

Vegas is def one of the spots i plan on moving to down the line as well TC . I trying to get a remote job when my contract is over in 8 months

[CaP7]

Culture depends more on the person looking for it, then the actual offerings of a city.

Sports? NFL, NCAA Basketball and Football, NBA, and MLB are all crazy here. Just go to any sportsbook. Vegas has some of the best sportsbars I've ever seen. Case in point...try out Vegas on NCAA tournament weekend. Plenty of sports. Also, UNLV basketball is awesome for the past 5-8 years. They had the #1 pick in the NBA draft this year. Mountain West Conference is just as fun to watch as the Big Ten in basketball. Well, at least if your best option is the Gophers.

Lots of unbelievable biking in Vegas. Golf is world class. Yeah, it's hot for 3 months of the year, but in MN, you're indoors for 5. Cheap flights to Utah for world class skiing. In MN you have to fly to Denver for this. Hell, just lift weights. That's what you should be doing anyway.

Last time I checked there were all kinds of shows. Concerts like EDC. World famous artists seem to be always setting up shop there (unfortunately I can only think of Celine Dion and Prince, but I know there are more). Name another city under 5 million people that has better shows come through.

I would love to live in Vegas in the summer and just go to the B-level pool parties every weekend, hit on random chicks, workout, and work.

Also, every city you go to will be "insular" and "hard to crack a social group".

Rise above it man. If you're a cool person, you won't have any problems. If your not, it will be the best learning experience and skill you will have. Hell, you are working in tax accounting. Not exactly a socially dynamic environment. You'll need the skills to win over people and make friends due to the dry nature of your work. Your career won't do it for you, you'll have to do it on your own...

Moving from MN to a warm weather state, you will become addicted to the sunshine. Myself, and a few friends that did the same, talk about this. It takes a year, then you can never go back.

[thegmanifesto]

(08-05-2013 06:59 PM)playa Wrote:  

(08-03-2013 02:20 AM)PoosyWrecker Wrote:  

(08-02-2013 11:11 PM)playa Wrote:  

There is absolutely no culture here. No museums, no arts, no sports, nothing except bars, restaurants and gambling.

UFC is based here. I don't think any other North American city can call itself a BJJ / MMA mecca. SoCal could but thats an entire region not a city you can drive across in half an hour with a half dozen gyms. And don't try to tell me that Nascar and World Series of Poker are not sports.

Poker is not a sport, its another form of gambling. That's like saying Chess is a sport. Besides, I was talking about professional sports like baseball, football, basketball, hockey...all non existent in Vegas.

Who cares when you have boxing.

[Drazen]

To me, Vegas seems like it'd be hellish to live in. Outside the strip, seems like flyoverville hell with tract housing and minimalls. And you'll get tired of the strip if you're not connected to the industry, etc. Tax savings are good, but to me its a great escape nothing more. I'd go stir crazy living there. If I had to, I'd live on the strip. No need for a 3000 square foot mini-mcmansion outside reasonable cab ride distance to the strip.

[Cruisen_Chubby]

(08-08-2013 10:26 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  

Culture depends more on the person looking for it, then the actual offerings of a city.

Sports? NFL, NCAA Basketball and Football, NBA, and MLB are all crazy here. Just go to any sportsbook. Vegas has some of the best sportsbars I've ever seen. Case in point...try out Vegas on NCAA tournament weekend. Plenty of sports. Also, UNLV basketball is awesome for the past 5-8 years. They had the #1 pick in the NBA draft this year. Mountain West Conference is just as fun to watch as the Big Ten in basketball. Well, at least if your best option is the Gophers.

Lots of unbelievable biking in Vegas. Golf is world class. Yeah, it's hot for 3 months of the year, but in MN, you're indoors for 5. Cheap flights to Utah for world class skiing. In MN you have to fly to Denver for this. Hell, just lift weights. That's what you should be doing anyway.

Last time I checked there were all kinds of shows. Concerts like EDC. World famous artists seem to be always setting up shop there (unfortunately I can only think of Celine Dion and Prince, but I know there are more). Name another city under 5 million people that has better shows come through.

I would love to live in Vegas in the summer and just go to the B-level pool parties every weekend, hit on random chicks, workout, and work.

Also, every city you go to will be "insular" and "hard to crack a social group".

Rise above it man. If you're a cool person, you won't have any problems. If your not, it will be the best learning experience and skill you will have. Hell, you are working in tax accounting. Not exactly a socially dynamic environment. You'll need the skills to win over people and make friends due to the dry nature of your work. Your career won't do it for you, you'll have to do it on your own...

Moving from MN to a warm weather state, you will become addicted to the sunshine. Myself, and a few friends that did the same, talk about this. It takes a year, then you can never go back.

This post just pumped me the fuck up. Thank you! You make some great points. Everyone on here has helped me form a decision. I'm gonna make it happen.

Tax Accounting is dry- but I have some other connections/ideas up my sleeve. Believe me, I wouldn't be moving out there if I didn't....

I'm excited. People complain about the winters in Vegas being cold....Pffhhhh come up here in February and freeze your balls off. Just miserable.

Plus, had a good buddy my age (22), get in a car accident due to icy roads. Ended up dying and others were in critical condition. Just adding all of the negatives up... unsubscribe.

[InternationPlayboy]

Do it dude. No reason not to. It will make you a stronger and more experienced person. Leaving my home town and bouncing around to experience different places was the best decision I've ever made. I plan on being out there in the next 6 months, let me know when you get there.

[InternationPlayboy]

(08-09-2013 06:21 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

To me, Vegas seems like it'd be hellish to live in. Outside the strip, seems like flyoverville hell with tract housing and minimalls. And you'll get tired of the strip if you're not connected to the industry, etc. Tax savings are good, but to me its a great escape nothing more. I'd go stir crazy living there. If I had to, I'd live on the strip. No need for a 3000 square foot mini-mcmansion outside reasonable cab ride distance to the strip.

Living on the strip would suck. The traffic is hellish and the closest market isn't within walking distance. You'd get tired of partying on the strip all the time, and no local spots are within walking distance. I'd much rather live off the strip. I don't think you'd get much of a locals experience living on the strip. The Vegas experience goes such much further past the strip. My friends get down and spend very little time at the strip, and there is no shortage of fine girls.

[Cruisen_Chubby]

(08-10-2013 02:33 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

Do it dude. No reason not to. It will make you a stronger and more experienced person. Leaving my home town and bouncing around to experience different places was the best decision I've ever made. I plan on being out there in the next 6 months, let me know when you get there.

I will PM you when I get out there-

[Tenerife]

internationplayboy, how would you compare living in miami and vegas?

[Tenerife]

To people from las vegas,

what would be the best logistical spot to the strip to live in?

[BCZalgyris]

(08-10-2013 02:37 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

(08-09-2013 06:21 PM)PartyonBro Wrote:  

To me, Vegas seems like it'd be hellish to live in. Outside the strip, seems like flyoverville hell with tract housing and minimalls. And you'll get tired of the strip if you're not connected to the industry, etc. Tax savings are good, but to me its a great escape nothing more. I'd go stir crazy living there. If I had to, I'd live on the strip. No need for a 3000 square foot mini-mcmansion outside reasonable cab ride distance to the strip.

Living on the strip would suck. The traffic is hellish and the closest market isn't within walking distance. You'd get tired of partying on the strip all the time, and no local spots are within walking distance. I'd much rather live off the strip. I don't think you'd get much of a locals experience living on the strip. The Vegas experience goes such much further past the strip. My friends get down and spend very little time at the strip, and there is no shortage of fine girls.

International Playboy, can you expand a bit on your last sentence? What places would you recommend to hit off the strip?

[Tenerife]

I've been looking into vegas housing. I'm surprised to find that it's one of the cheapest cities in the US. I'm seeing many studio apartments in the 400-450 dollar a month range, and that's with a month to month lease. I'll probably be there next month.

[iknowexactly]

(09-01-2013 02:57 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

I've been looking into vegas housing. I'm surprised to find that it's one of the cheapest cities in the US. I'm seeing many studio apartments in the 400-450 dollar a month range, and that's with a month to month lease. I'll probably be there next month.

wow, i'm paying double that in norcalb(800 1br) .are the chix hot there?

[Tenerife]

(09-01-2013 03:54 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(09-01-2013 02:57 AM)Tenerife Wrote:  

I've been looking into vegas housing. I'm surprised to find that it's one of the cheapest cities in the US. I'm seeing many studio apartments in the 400-450 dollar a month range, and that's with a month to month lease. I'll probably be there next month.

wow, i'm paying double that in norcalb(800 1br) .are the chix hot there?

I heard it has good nightlife.

Anybody here ever lived in downtown Las vegas? I'm thinking of either living near UNLV, or more in downtown. If I can, I may look into a place extremely close to the strip.

[invictusiii]

(08-10-2013 12:07 PM)Cruisen_Chubby Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 10:26 PM)CaP7 Wrote:  

Culture depends more on the person looking for it, then the actual offerings of a city.

Sports? NFL, NCAA Basketball and Football, NBA, and MLB are all crazy here. Just go to any sportsbook. Vegas has some of the best sportsbars I've ever seen. Case in point...try out Vegas on NCAA tournament weekend. Plenty of sports. Also, UNLV basketball is awesome for the past 5-8 years. They had the #1 pick in the NBA draft this year. Mountain West Conference is just as fun to watch as the Big Ten in basketball. Well, at least if your best option is the Gophers.

Lots of unbelievable biking in Vegas. Golf is world class. Yeah, it's hot for 3 months of the year, but in MN, you're indoors for 5. Cheap flights to Utah for world class skiing. In MN you have to fly to Denver for this. Hell, just lift weights. That's what you should be doing anyway.

Last time I checked there were all kinds of shows. Concerts like EDC. World famous artists seem to be always setting up shop there (unfortunately I can only think of Celine Dion and Prince, but I know there are more). Name another city under 5 million people that has better shows come through.

I would love to live in Vegas in the summer and just go to the B-level pool parties every weekend, hit on random chicks, workout, and work.

Also, every city you go to will be "insular" and "hard to crack a social group".

Rise above it man. If you're a cool person, you won't have any problems. If your not, it will be the best learning experience and skill you will have. Hell, you are working in tax accounting. Not exactly a socially dynamic environment. You'll need the skills to win over people and make friends due to the dry nature of your work. Your career won't do it for you, you'll have to do it on your own...

Moving from MN to a warm weather state, you will become addicted to the sunshine. Myself, and a few friends that did the same, talk about this. It takes a year, then you can never go back.

This post just pumped me the fuck up. Thank you! You make some great points. Everyone on here has helped me form a decision. I'm gonna make it happen.

Tax Accounting is dry- but I have some other connections/ideas up my sleeve. Believe me, I wouldn't be moving out there if I didn't....

I'm excited. People complain about the winters in Vegas being cold....Pffhhhh come up here in February and freeze your balls off. Just miserable.

Plus, had a good buddy my age (22), get in a car accident due to icy roads. Ended up dying and others were in critical condition. Just adding all of the negatives up... unsubscribe.

I'm actually seriously considering moving to Vegas around August. I've got a remote web developer job so I've got a plan in that department.

I'm assuming you've already made the move. How do you like it so far man?

[Mojorisin808]

My buddy just moved out to Vegas, he's renting a 3 bedroom house in Spring Valley, so I'm thinking of chillin in Vegas for the summer - June - August. I know its hot as fuck during those months, but I don't mind the heat.

Few questions for the guys living in LV:

Are the summer months consider the high season there in the hotels/nightclubs? or better yet is there "high season" in Vegas? I know the pool parties are rocking in the summer.

Is it a pain in the arse to not have wheels in Vegas? how is the public transportation?

Is there nightlife away from the strip that the locals hit up? Is it good?

[InternationPlayboy]

Dude, Vegas is near impossible without a car. The only way local transit would work out is if you were lucky and lived on a good bus line.

It's pretty hard for me to judge how nightlife is off the strip for someone who doesn't have a lot of "ins." For me it's amazing, but we do lots of good house parties and local spots, and I have a blast, but a lot of the reason has to do with who I'm with. I grew up in Vegas so when I go back home I don't have to plan anything, my friends always have cool stuff going on. If you aren't local I don't really know how it is to find the good local spots. If you meet the right people, Vegas can be a fucking blast, but in a totally different way than people who go for a bachelor party know of. Also, the downtown area is becoming pretty cool. More bars and lounges, not really many clubs, but I was impressed when I went back. It is a little hipster, but shit, where aren't hipsters taking over anymore? Another fun spot is town square. There are a few good bars in that area. Most other stuff outside of the strip, town square, or downtown is spread out all around town, and logistics suck. Most of my friends just drink and drive, which I'm against and don't do period, but it's very hard to avoid in Vegas if you don't live by the strip, and cabs are expensive. A cab from where I normally am to the strip is right around $50, but to be fair I'm kind of on the outskirts of the valley. Spring valley isn't a terrible location. Depending on where in spring valley you're probably looking at a $15-20 cab from the strip. From downtown maybe $25-30 if I had to guess.

Regarding high season, it's also hard for me to tell, as I moved away before I turned 21. I moved back for 6 months after I turned 21 but I had no wheels (and like I said, it was nearly impossible to do anything, especially because of my location). Even when I do go home now I rarely go to clubs on the strip.

I'm pretty torn at the moment on whether to move back to Vegas or Miami. The way I see it, here's how I'd break down the difference between the two for me personally.

- Vegas I have closer and funner friends all around. Seriously, I haven't met a group of people that are so fun/wild/crazy as my vegas friends. Also, my best friend in Miami moved away. A lot of what made miami nightlife great involved this kid. I'm sure I'd be able to figure it out, and still have plenty of good friends, but to be honest, Miami isn't the easiest place to meet people. People are mad flakey and let's face it, Miami is one of the most superficial places on earth. Not saying I'm above all that, or that my friends in Vegas aren't a bit superficial either, but I already have all I need friend-wise in Vegas. When G talks about people getting eaten by the sharks in Miami, well in Vegas, my group of friends ARE the sharks. In Miami I have pretty good "ins," but Vegas I can't be phased! If you want to know what's going on that night in Vegas, we're what's going on! I'm starting to get passed that phase in my life though. When I go back to vegas I have trouble keeping up with my friends. My hang overs are so bad these days, that unless something really worth it is going on, I'd rather just save my money and do something else instead of go out and get obliterated. My friends in Vegas will literally drink all weekend, from the time they get off on Friday to the time they go to bed Sunday. They are alright during the week though.

- Regarding women, Miami wins HANDS DOWN! Vegas isn't bad at all, but Miami is THE BEST (at least in the states). I'm huge into Latinas and Vegas comes up way short, with too many fat Mexicans.

- For work, Vegas wins. I'd be making mad money, but Miami still isn't bad and I think Miami would be easier for me to focus on my long term goals better. Vegas I'd be making bank but stuck at a job working 40 hours a week. But it's also much easier to save money in Vegas as it is MUCH cheaper than Miami.

- Vegas weather SUCKS, Miami is nice most of the year, and even in the summer, Miami wins over Vegas, at least for me.

-Miami terrain is WAY more my style. The desert is basically my least favorite place to live and the ocean is my favorite. Miami wins here by a long shot.

- For food Miami wins for me just because it has more selection in general, though Vegas is close behind.

- Miami, way easier access for traveling to virtually anywhere else internationally. The only one ups vegas has are Australia and Asia, which neither I'm very interested in.

Another big deciding factor though is I think I'd be able to focus more on my goals in Miami. In Vegas I feel like id work, and then get distracted and go out and rage with my friends when I had free time. Seriously, these guys are fucking maniacs!

Don't know how that got into a big Miami vs vegas sheet, but if you're familiar with Miami that may help.

[peterfoo22]

I have been here for 3 years as well.

The job part might pretty difficult without any experience but you might be okay with the field that you're in. There aren't too many skilled laborers here for accounting and I always see jobs lined up for accounting. I would even use a recruiter or temp agency to help you find work.

I would expense out to about 6 months of expense at the bare minimum.

The housing market is by far one of the cheapest in the land you can easily get a nice one bedroom for 700 a month and if you want to share maybe 400 to 500 depending on the location. It seems like you have transportation already and are little more flexible as to the area you can live in.

The two best parts to live in Vegas are Summerlin and Green Valley. The best part to live personally I believe is south of strip near South Point its a good place for young people and I always see a ton of young people in some of the nicer apts and condos south of the strip.

The only downside is that you're taking a normal 8 to 5 job and its going to be tough to go out on the weekends with your "normal" sleep schedule. So going out on the weekdays other than for happy hour is going to be really difficult. You're pretty much relegated to being a weekend tourist.

As for the women, yes Vegas has some very hot women, usually they work in the industry of some kind, so your lifestyle is not going to match theirs. You definitely have the ability to pickup some women on the weekends here just because of the nightlife but not going out consistently more than once or twice a week is going to hamper your numbers.

But all in all, I would move... cheaper rent, less taxes, better weather, hotter women (maybe not at your complete disposal), good nightlife..so give it a shot man!

P

[InternationPlayboy]

^ He's pretty spot on besides the good weather. How in gods name is weather in Vegas nice? It's nice for like 2 or 3 months and the rest of the year it sucks. Winter is cold and summer is hotter than hell.

I agree though that summerlin and green valley are probably the best places to live. They can both be tough on logistics though if you plan on drinking on the strip. Depending where you live in green valley a cab could be anywhere from maybe $20-35 if I had to guess. I lived way the hell on the otherwise of Henderson, out towards boulder city, so you could imagine how shitty the logistics are for going out downtown or around the strip.

I guess the job market still hasn't fully recovered it sounds like. Last time I was back home I talked to my best friend growing up. He has been fucking up the last 5-7 years and didn't have a job, and said it was super hard to find one, but I definitely questioned his motivation and attempts to actually find a job. He said it was hard because he didn't have a car. I offered to spend an afternoon driving him around to look, but he never took me up on it, so it just made me think he wasn't trying.When I lived there it was so easy to make money, at least as a guy. Most men I know who I graduated with never went to college just because it was so easy to get out of high school and make $20 an hour working construction or in a hotel. $20 an hour at 18 isn't bad at all. If I go back though I know I'm taken care of job-wise. But since in economy crisis hit vegas real hard, it sounds like things have gotten a lot harder for people trying to find work. Where my father works, the staff was almost cut in half. He was lucky to have had senority.

[Global Entry]

I've lived (or at least based in) Las Vegas for the last three years, though I spend far more time in Asia.

With respect to living near the strip, there are condos behind City Center with nice modern apartments for about 1000 per month. Pools, underground parking, security, etc. Theres also a development right near the Golden Steer (closer to the Strip, and don't sleep on the Steer, its also still quite good - ask for the Speakeasy private "mobster" room in the back) that has a ton of units and a ton of younger women who work on the strip. Probably about the same price as the City Center places.

A colleague just rented a two bedroom house a bit far away from the strip, maybe 15 minutes, near the M Casino. Its a new development with all Italian named streets. He negotiated a one year lease for a 1050 per month, has a two car garage, granite countertops, a very solid place with all the normal amenities (community pools, tennis, and basketball). If you aren't that sensitive to where you live, its actually pretty decent, makes for an easier start to Los Angeles trips, etc.

Otherwise, I lived off Paseo Verde in Green Valley for the better part of two years. There is nothing ghetto about it. Not even sure where that comes from. Gated communities over there tend to be a bit nazi-ish about the rules, which I find annoying as hell, especially because the place is nice but not high-end. Nearby the District, Green Valley ranch (which draws locals to the bar scene there to a degree) and downtown Henderson, its not a bad choice. Depending on traffic, 15-30(in bad traffic) to the top end of the strip (Wynn/Encore) and maybe 5-10 less to Mandalay Bay/Town Square South end of strip.

Summerlin seems a bunch nicer, but traffic seems far worse going north and west in Vegas, less so going south and east. I also at one point considered moving out by Mt. Charleston, which has some beautiful houses, but your basically out of Vegas at that point. Same goes for living near Hoover Dam/Lake Mead.

Negotiate hard on rent deals for condos - every owner knows that the place is hugely overbuilt and many have waited a long, long time to fill a spot. Offer some extra cash upfront (i.e., pay the first two or three months in advance) and keep your month low. One or another landlord will jump.

[InternationPlayboy]

^ Solid advice. Didn't know the Cosmo was so cheap. This guy seems like he knows his shit. I personally hang in green valley most of the time as that's where most my friends live. I stay near horizon and horizon area though (close to downtown Henderson). I used to live way the fuck out by basic HS. I would strongly recommend against living that far out. Even horizon and horizon is pushing it. Boulder City should be out of the question (lake mead/Hoover dam area). That town sucks. It's small, everyone knows everyone's business, and the cops are total nazis. No way you want to drive back from Vegas drunk into BC. A taxi would easily be $80 from the strip each way.

[Octane]

I would suggest for a lifestyle of being close to the strip action and being a bachelor seeking convenient amenities conducive to a player lifestyle with minimal upkeep, I would seek out a high rise condo unit in The Martin or Panorama. There are less expensive and larger lofts/high rises closer to downtown or south of the strip, but I would prefer to be just next to the Harmon over pass where I could conveniently have access to the strip but be far away enough from the congestion. Plus I would probably be traveling to California fairly regularly and being right off the 15 and not in North Las Vegas or Henderson which is an additional 10-15 mins would be even more ideally located. Being literally across the strip from the Cosmopolitan would be a goldmine in your own backyard. The lobby is filled with them, no need to even go into Marquee. Pulling girls to my pad would be a simple cab ride. If I were even a semi-long term resident of Vegas, I would lock down a few private drivers and avoid the nasty cabs all together.

There are a few cool "hipsterish" spots I've been to where locals hang out in downtown, the Griffin to name one and off the strip - way off, but I really don't see myself frequenting them as much as spots on the strip. I also think the downtown area has gotten a lot better in recent years, however it still seems a bit seedy to me. Simply put, there are just way more hot women (albeit predominantly tourists) and opportunities on the strip. I can't really comment on the local job market, but since I'm active in one of the leading industries in Vegas, it shouldn't be that hard to transition.

As far as dining goes - hands down Vegas will take the cake vs. Miami. I love Miami for it's legit Latin cuisine and it's better than Vegas, but you can't even compare. Vegas has like 15 Michelin rated restaurants and I don't even believe Miami has one.

[Christian McQueen]

If you're going to live in Vegas as a bachelor, do it right.

G Global has some good advice.

I'd also recommend the Veer Towers beside Cosmo. You simply cannot get any better logistics for pulling girls.

[InternationPlayboy]

I guess you could say vegas has better restaurants if you're looking for high class, but Miami has every different type of Latin food you can think of and I love my Latin food. Brazilian, Colombian (which I found to be better than Colombia), argentine, cuban, the list goes on. I tried looking for cuban coffee in Vegas and just couldn't find it. Miami is really lacking good Asian food though, which I'm a fan of. Not many great sushi spots, nobu being the only real exception I can think of. I like mom and pop restaurants a lot though, and I think Miami has vegas beat. I guess vegas may have Miami beat when it comes to fine dining. It's hard for me to judge though because I haven't eaten at a ton of good restaurants in Vegas. Shit, last time I was in town it was my buddies birthday. I asked where we were going and my buddy said he didn't know the name of the place. I asked if it was nice to see how I should dress. He said it was fairly nice. It ended up being Carrabas. What. The. Fuck. Carrabas? That's what I got dressed up for?

Miami does have some great fine dining as well though. Juvia, stk, red, prime 112, joes stone crab (which I wouldn't call fine dining necissarily, but some of the best damn crab your gonna find). It also has a lot of rip off shit holes as well, like just about every spot on ocean drive north of 5th (minus BLT off the top of my head). I'd say vegas has better fine dining and Miami has better hole in the walls, minus Mexican and Asian food. Vegas has lots of good Mexican and Asian hole in the walls. I prefer Miami for food. Maybe if I had a bigger bank roll is prefer Vegas but I don't have the loot to be dropping on fine dining frequently enough to care about that aspect as much. I'm gonna be eating at hole in the walls 90% of the time and maybe fine dine 10%.