[runsonmagic]

(06-25-2014 01:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Has anyone out there delved into his material and gotten anything actionable out of it?

Jefferies was a big NLP guy. He'd put hypnotic phrase into stories and anchor them to himself. "Below me" would be pronouced "blow me" and supposedly this would program the girl to fuck him. Neil Strauss talks about him in the game.

I've never tried it, and while it might work, it's based on the premise you need fancy magic tricks to make a girl fuck you. Personally, I find it easier just to be a fuckable person, but he was one of the earliest seduction community founders.

[speakeasy]

(06-25-2014 01:34 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 01:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Has anyone out there delved into his material and gotten anything actionable out of it?

Jefferies was a big NLP guy. He'd put hypnotic phrase into stories and anchor them to himself. "Below me" would be pronouced "blow me" and supposedly this would program the girl to fuck him. Neil Strauss talks about him in the game.

I've never tried it, and while it might work, it's based on the premise you need fancy magic tricks to make a girl fuck you. Personally, I find it easier just to be a fuckable person, but he was one of the earliest seduction community founders.

Interesting. So he was using Jedi Mind Tricks game. Does he have a community of devotees that swears by his methods? I'm inclined to think he's a snake oil salesman or why would he have faded into irrelevance while guys like Tyler, David DeAngelo and Mystery became wealthy.

[Truth Teller]

(06-25-2014 01:33 PM)Biologist Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 01:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Has anyone out there delved into his material and gotten anything actionable out of it?

My understanding is that Ross Jeffries' game was basically a variant of applied Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP).

I don't know much about NLP, nor have I tried it, and I seriously question his supposed success using it.

Opinions may vary, but I feel as though there are good parts of it. There are valid concepts and parts that do work. Things like "going first" and "pattern interrupts" are good. I'm not so sure about other things like anchoring.

[Chemistry]

Mel: Men are angry!
Ross: I'm not angry, I'm satisfied because I can manipulate women and get what I want

[Truth Teller]

(06-25-2014 01:51 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Interesting. So he was using Jedi Mind Tricks game. Does he have a community of devotees that swears by his methods? I'm inclined to think he's a snake oil salesman or why would he have faded into irrelevance while guys like Tyler, David DeAngelo and Mystery became wealthy.

I believe there are a number of guys who do. I know little about him, but I'd say that he fell into obscurity because his material seems rather complex. Also, I'm not sure exactly how well hypnosis would work when you're trying to talk to an entire group of people, as opposed to just one woman.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-25-2014 01:51 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 01:34 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 01:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Has anyone out there delved into his material and gotten anything actionable out of it?

Jefferies was a big NLP guy. He'd put hypnotic phrase into stories and anchor them to himself. "Below me" would be pronouced "blow me" and supposedly this would program the girl to fuck him. Neil Strauss talks about him in the game.

I've never tried it, and while it might work, it's based on the premise you need fancy magic tricks to make a girl fuck you. Personally, I find it easier just to be a fuckable person, but he was one of the earliest seduction community founders.

Interesting. So he was using Jedi Mind Tricks game. Does he have a community of devotees that swears by his methods? I'm inclined to think he's a snake oil salesman or why would he have faded into irrelevance while guys like Tyler, David DeAngelo and Mystery became wealthy.

I think there is more into his stuff than it seems - some is pretty advanced. He is doing some deep stuff like using hypnosis, hypnotic words & stories, NLP word charging like you mentioned. I met a hypnotist once and he said that he uses his ability sometimes in bars with some girls.

I just started looking into it by buying some of his material. He is certainly on a different level than the rest moving into areas where most PUAs might be in a few years.

Krauser is expanding the knowledge too currently with the r-selection focus as well as going into things like vocal patterns used in seduction.

For most lays it is likely not necessary, but on the other hand - there is always another step in mastery of a field. Most guys are content to reach a certain level and then cruise on from there (since they get sex with consistency). But what happens as you age and cannot induce the same level of initial attraction in a 18-year-old at the age of 55? Or you wish to raise the quality of the girls? Additional seduction abilities might be quite helpful - I think that is what Ross is doing with some of his stuff as he is an older guy, but wants to enjoy the same spoils. But I gotta study most of his stuff to be sure.

[Teedub]

If you needed more proof that women DESPISE weak, whiny men, this is it. I was really impressed with Ross, and the women actually didn't hate him, at all. Apart from that ghetto one at the end.

I've no doubt if some of them saw him after the show they would have been speaking to him, even if just to ask him stuff.

As for that guy on the right....what a sycophant.

As for RJ's techniques, I don't know, but Louis Theroux made this about him:

I'm sure it's been posted before somewhere.

He's got a TV camera crew following him, so that's got to help him. Especially since it involves hypnosis, or at least suggestion. People feel the pressure to play along.

That said, Strauss talks about him doing this stuff too, so who knows.

[Samseau]

(06-25-2014 07:08 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 07:03 AM)strengthstudent Wrote:  

Nothing has changed . Jeffries was too obnoxious though, he could have been way more charismatic without the big ego-talk.

PUA: I see the reality, accept it and see what I can do to prevail
MRA: I see the reality but don't accept it, instead I bitch and moan about it
Feminist: I don't see the reality, and I am trying to maintain the illusion

I see it more like...

PUA: I see reality, accept it and see what I can do to prevail.
MRA: I see reality and hate accepting it because the end of all of this is our society collapses so I am trying to wake the women up. But even when I predict their responses and behavior on film it isn't enough for them.
Feminist: I see a fantasy dream world and everyone who disagrees hates women.

I think the clearest difference between the MRA and PUA (i.e. the player) is that the PUA doesn't care, whereas the MRA does.

The PUA doesn't give a fuck about society, or women. He is interested in his own well-being, and the rest be damned. That's not to say the PUA wouldn't try to help if he could - but overall, he knows it's a lost battle and our current civilization is doomed.

Meanwhile, the MRA actually believes women are worth saving, and genuinely wants to help them. Even though he is shit on relentlessly by women, he never gives up, hoping that someday women will see the truth and accept that men are treated unfairly.

----

The PUA movement has exploded, but the MRA movement is still a fringe. And the reasons are obvious - the MRA's deny nature. They still believe men and women are equal, which is a lie. Men and women cannot be equal, so the end result is that men must fight for themselves and put their own interests first.

Meanwhile, MRA's like Mel Feit live in a fantasy land:

Quote:

Despite all the negative consequences of maintaining a fundamentalist's belief to his cause—alienation from his siblings; rejection from girlfriends who scoffed at his proclivity for skirts or ridiculed his masculinism; frequent harassment from T.V. producers for his appearance; the habitual trivialization or misapprehension of his values and ideas—Feit doesn't mourn his losses or his struggles: "I'm sometimes sorry that I didn't marry and have children," he tells me at the end of the NCM shindig, "but I have never regretted my work." He's even optimistic about the future: "Some young and progressive women," he says on my way out the door, "realize that their long-term self-interest lies in an honest gender equality that includes the concerns of men. My vision of equality contemplates a wonderful intimacy between the sexes. Maybe women will someday agree with me."

Even though Feit's choices have led him to the same cat-lady like existence as most feminists his age, he still continues the crusade against windmills and other illusions. In the same way a rational man can reject feminism, so can he reject "men's rights," because he also rejects "women's rights."

Meanwhile, the PUA's are the barbarians at the gates, taking whatever is left over from the rotting carcass of western civilization, realizing that in this world the strong do what they can while the weak suffer what they must.

[Menace]

That clip proved Jeffries' point, but the women didn't even realize it. Seemed like 90% of the questions were for Ross. I like the black women keeping it real and telling that MRA he's ain't getting any.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

@ Samseau

I don't think that all MRAs are that pathetic.

I like Angry Harry http://www.angryharry.com/ and A Voice for Men http://www.avoiceformen.com/.

They are not really for gender equality - Angry Harry has it even as a main tag on his homepage: "Gender Equality Is Not Achievable - Ever". Their research on some gender issues is quite useful. I don't think that MRAs like AngryHarry or JudgyBitch are against traditional gender role models as portrayed in the ROK article by Goldstein.

But apart from that they are not really into Game very much if at all and they truly believe that they can change things. Money and power-wise they are like a beetle against a bull since the feminist doctrine of the effeminate male gets the full support of media, academia, politics, corporations, banks plus the inherent feminine imperative which always strived to be shrouded under the "feminine mystique".

Most of us here focus on improving ourselves, have some fun and be more well-rounded men without much hope that we can actually change the system. Oh - and we know we need Game regardless whether in a LTR or for a ONS.

[speakeasy]

(06-25-2014 02:52 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

If you needed more proof that women DESPISE weak, whiny men, this is it. I was really impressed with Ross, and the women actually didn't hate him, at all. Apart from that ghetto one at the end.

I've no doubt if some of them saw him after the show they would have been speaking to him, even if just to ask him stuff.

As for that guy on the right....what a sycophant.

As for RJ's techniques, I don't know, but Louis Theroux made this about him:

I'm sure it's been posted before somewhere.

He's got a TV camera crew following him, so that's got to help him. Especially since it involves hypnosis, or at least suggestion. People feel the pressure to play along.

That said, Strauss talks about him doing this stuff too, so who knows.

That looked staged to me. Though I do think he has a good speaking voice to women that sounds assured and commanding yet calming. That alone could make a major difference. But all this highly technical bullshit, I'm not buying it.

[Switch]

The woman wanted Ross' pipe for sure.

And why the fuck was that one guy wearing a dress? This is why MRA's have a hard time being taken seriously.

[teh_skeeze]

PUA's and MRA's are opposite sides of the same coin. The main difference I noticed is the reactions to the hamster. Dude in the dress (brilliant bit of trolling) was visibly upset when the hamsters came to pull a Luis Suarez his ego. Ross, on the other hand, just smirked. If MRA's want to get anywhere, they need to learn to stop arguing with women. You can't tell women what to do, you need to lead by example.

[Vicious]

Bruce fucking Weinstein. That's the original genital wet wipe right there. If this guy had choked on a cocktail pin back in the early 90s the male feminist movement would likely have been set back several years. He was one of the first male scholars giving lecture in "the mummified halls of academia" (to use Ross' term) about male privilege.

(06-25-2014 01:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Has anyone out there delved into his material and gotten anything actionable out of it?

I consider SS to be a good part of my game, and no, it is not just NLP applied to game. The NLP is minor, there's elements of ericksonian hypnosis and parts on posture, voice control and attitude.

[vinman]

(06-25-2014 02:58 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28usWdvmSg


I can't believe this actually happened 22 years ago. It seems that everything is more cranked up in 2014 but the arguments are still the same.

This was a GREAT find dude! +1

[J556]

I saw that show too lol

Damn-everything the media does is to keep the shackles around the masses minds.

http://www.seduction.com/wallofproof/ This is Ross's site and some of his students words.

He still does seminars and moves $500/unit downloads-do the math on that hustle.

He wouldnt have to move but 2-3 of these/business day to really kick some ass.

RJ lives in Marina Del Ray-thats not a spot for the economically challenged. If he still does seminars-it's safe to say some listen to him still-his marketing could be better but I respect him for moving $500/unit goods when he used to be a broke paralegal.

[Hotwheels]

(06-25-2014 06:37 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(06-25-2014 06:26 AM)draguer Wrote:  

If you ever take women too seriously spend five minutes spend five minutes watching them sit smugly in a crowd clapping like seals every time they hear a talking point like "all men are jerks!"

The slippery White Knight is hilarious, "clap if you thing men should change!".

Yes, there was a Dr. Phil clip like this. Audience full of women. Some woman guest. And the woman guest said something like "all men are jerks and deserve it anyway" and the women went crazy and clapped for her.

Dr. Phil wasn't having it, called her out on it immediately, saying things like "I'm not a jerk, that fire man who laid his life down saving that woman is not a jerk, you just choose to be around jerks". And then all the women in the audience applauded him like trained seals.

They are trained seals in that situation.

[puckerman]

I met Ross back in 2008. He had a Swedish girl friend who was in her 20's. For a 50+ guy, having a girl friend that age is success.

It also bears repeating. I've never met a person who loved his parents more than Ross Jeffries.

[Moma]

The Male Feminist was a troll..and out to pimp lizards..the PUA and the Male Feminist both working the biggest consumer spenders...lizards.