Quote: (08-01-2013 10:44 AM)RioNomad Wrote:
Quote: (08-01-2013 08:20 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:
Quote: (08-01-2013 08:04 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:
Protein is in abundance in the Phils:
Plenty in Thailand too. My favorite meal is the barbecue chicken with papaya salad (thai-style not isaan) and I could eat it almost every day. A hunk of barbecued pork is always readily available as well and goes well with the papaya salad. Fish, duck, beef everywhere. To me, the veggies seem harder to come across than protein and I often find myself eating a lot of fruit or just snacking on the cucumber that comes with meals instead of getting proper vegetables. But you can always order some sauteed morning glory or mixed vegetables or whatever.
Honestly, it always surprises me that some guys get tired of the food in Thailand. It's so ridiculously diverse there. I get burnt on certain dishes sometimes but then I just switch it up for a while.
But I do understand it's not for everyone.
Good to hear some guys dig Filipino food as it's the one thing I've worried about when planning my trip there; I've read a lot of mixed reviews on the cuisine.
Aside from grilled chicken and grilled fish, it is hard to get a large amount of protein in a Thai meal unless you order 3 plates of larb or something like that.
Most meals have very little protein. If you are aiming to take in 150 or more grams per day, it can be very difficult. The grilled pork is good, but super fatty. I can only eat so many grilled chicken legs/thighs or fish per day. The grilled chicken is great, but it is thighs/legs with the skin on, so it has a lot of fat and is super greasy as well.
I love grilled chicken with som tom and sticky rice. I ate it yesterday and it was delicious. Unfortunately I was shitting half of the night. It was freshly grilled, so not sure why. There is two grilled chicken stands by my condo. I got sick from one yesterday, and the other one chops up their cooked chicken with the same knife, and on the same cutting board, as they do their raw pork and chicken. So I'm down from 2 to 0 grilled chicken stands, which fucking sucks because as you said, it's delicious.
My main problem with Thai food though is just that I am sick of rice. Thai food is diverse, but you eat rice with everything, so it isn't all that diverse. If I try to eat Thai food with no rice or noodles I would never get full.
I disagree about beef being everywhere. Thais don't eat much beef at all, and it is expensive here. There is a lot of duck around, but it is generally always either 5 or 6 small slices of duck with noodles, or with rice. Duck larb is fantastic, but not so easy to find.
Aside from grilled fish or chicken, most Thai meals are low on protein and high in fat or carbs. kai diow is great, but that is just eggs deep fried in very questionable oil and thrown over a bed of white rice. Not healthy for you at all. Just like in most of the world outside of the rest, Thai meals are a little bit of protein with a lot of rice or vegetables.
Anyways, I think BB is right that Thai food is diverse, but it isn't a good option for someone looking for a high protein/lower carb diet.
That's my rant for the day hah.
I will say that a lot of you guys are far more active than me too so you're probably feeling the protein strain way more and suffering more if you skip the rice. I actually don't even eat a ton for a guy with all the weight I carry on me. I can eat one plate of laarb and I'm fine, for instance, especially if I do have some rice with it.
But as far as meat being skimped, I didn't have much of a problem with it in Chiang Mai at all - in Samui, I'll give you that it was a bit tougher, and part of me wants to say that since the economy has gotten worse they've begun skimping on the meat portions a lot. Maybe it's the same in bkk as samui, or maybe the whole country has been skimping these past couple years.
As far as beef goes, yes, it's harder to find, but I've always felt a lot of expats made it seem harder to find than it actually was. I've been to a lot of local spots in the North that even serve beef larb. A good steak is definitely a hard one to get a hold of it, but so-so ones can be found - I like the one they cook on a flatiron with the pepper/garlic sauce. Not everywhere but one you find it it's a good one to go back to. I even ate raw beef in the marketplace with a Thai chef once - maybe a bad idea? - maybe you could just go buy a bunch to cook up at home.
I also like that dried steak with kafir lime leaves dish that comes from the Isaan region -kind of like jerky. A lot of different dried beef dishes come from the Isaan region and they're usually served pretty small but I find they make a good snack. Actually just had that beef and lime leaf dish last night here in Cambodia so seems big here too. Also had some beef sauteed with ants, which was surprisingly tasty.
I've gone low carb and high protein in the country but I usually just skip rice and noodles and double up on the meat and veggies. So I might pay more but you always have to pay more to eat healthy. If I was back home in the states I'd be having to skip bread and rice and pasta to do a diet like that, so I guess I just never saw how it's any more restrictive than such a diet in the west.
I do find that in the west they often have "carb-alternatives" or whatever, but I don't usually eat that type of stuff anyways.
In the north I often got chicken breasts and not just thighs and legs. I don't mind skin or fat on my meat and often make sure to eat it as I think it's high in nutrients - same with organ meats. But I'm hardly ripped or in shape so what do I know. LOL I even always saw the barbecued chicken itself as so varied - it always tastes different and the chef usually has their own special spicy sauce recipe - I skip the sweet and spicy one they give foreigners and ask for the "nam jim."
As for the shits, do you think it was the meat or the papaya salad? I usually assume it's the spices messing with my stomach when that happens, and I just accept it as part of the territory. I could see it being a bitch if you're working out though.
I find when eating with Thai friends, they often just order food at the marketplace late night and we lay out out a spread and it's almost all different types of meat, fish and pork (I actually like pork better than other meats), sometimes beef, prawns, and whatnot - with maybe one soup and one veggie dish. And sometimes friend chicken, yeah, but I eat it. Sometimes they do a lot of barbecuing too where we just sit and eat meat all night and barely pick at rice. Thais don't seem to eat many carbs at all when drinking though.
All rambling aside, I'm guessing maybe I just don't have a lot of the same observations because I'm not as health-conscious.
Beyond All Seas
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling