[hayesbrandon30]

i'm not saying that pretty women don't exist in france. its just that seeing russian, ukraninian and other types of slavic women has changed the way i look at women.

i think this movie here shows a diverse amount of french women. check it out.
some are pretty. but majority of them are just average.

Quote:

There are plenty of incels in France and PUA is rising. The cultural traditions of France can only go so far. Don't go by what you see in the media. France these days projects an image of what it wants to be, not what it really is.

It's far from paradise. I was there in 2010 and an older French women who was working in the museum in Lyon as a guard told me that was completely outraged by the young women. "They don't behave like women." "Men are suffering of loneliness." "Life is not meant to be lived alone". (I also had another conversation with another women that was similar)

Mind you, this was a women (about 50 yo) defending men. These words give you a sense of how the older generation was raised and how much has changed.

If you speak to the French directly and not just as a foreigner, you will see that what is going on is similar to what the entire West is dealing with. But if you just visit the clubs and speak English you would never know.

Is it as bad as the Anglosphere? Of course not, but don't get the wrong idea. A French man living is France is dealing with the same crap.

yeah. i agree with this. i heard similar things from people about how their culture is changing.and being that truly beautiful french women are not plentiful and most are average give me an idea of how hard getting a beautiful french girl will be. yeah, i'm sure its not as bad as USA.

but seeing east europe women now, makes me see how overrated france is. but like i said i haven't been all over france.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-22-2013 11:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I can't think of the last time I've seen a French girl in person that was more than a 6. They are unimpressive to me. Though I love their mannerism and politeness. I should say I'm referring to white French. I've seen some absolutely bangin' Moroccan and Algerian French girls, as well as mulattas.

A quick trip to Biarritz in the summertime will remedy this problem x40000 in a weekend.

(05-23-2013 04:54 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Are we going to have one of these threads for every nationality? We have them (some with almost identic thread names) for German, Swedish, American and Peruvian girls.

Ha. Yeah, I agree.

I think we should do them for every nationality and ethnicity.

I was actually thinking of doing a "Are Eskimo girls overrated?" thread soon.

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Back to the original question, I think the answer is no.

For something to be "overrated" it has to be "rated" high a lot.

I don't remember a bunch of threads talking about how great French girls are.

Hell, we have probably had more threads yapping about the benefits of Moldovan girls than French girls.

If anything, they are vastly underrated.

[speeddemon]

(05-23-2013 07:22 AM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

i'm not saying that pretty women don't exist in france. its just that seeing russian, ukraninian and other types of slavic women has changed the way i look at women.

I never thought seeing pictures of russian women + discussing their attributes online could make such a huge difference in a man's life haha but to each his own.

[hayesbrandon30]

(05-23-2013 06:02 AM)Acute Angle Wrote:  

I've spent a lot of time in France, but not in Paris or the other major cities, over the last few years.

There certainly are fat people, but not as many as you'll see in the UK.

Young French women can be cute, but by the time they hit their thirties many have a bit of flab and short hair, and over the age of 40 it almost seems compulsory. Most of the middle-aged women don't look feminine at all (they look more like Dutch or Belgians). I get the impression that their men are a bunch of browbeaten chodes. This is in the provinces - Paris is bound to be different, just as London is different to the rest of the UK.

France is a very feminist country - you only have to watch their TV for a few hours to see that. The French are experts at telling lies (to themselves and others) about what they are and how they behave. Jonathan Meades, a cultural critic, did a three-part take-down of French culture on the BBC last year - it was brilliant.

France is also the most racist country in Western Europe, according to one recent study, whereas the UK is one of the least.

Don't get me wrong, I love France, but it's not because of the women. Get them while they're young.

good advice. i'll try to check out that documentary.

its just that i see so many people - get so inspired about the idea of going to france and french women and going to paris. and i was guilty of this too. i think somehow people here think french is very chic.

i think my three favorite actress from france are/were

irene jacob,



juliette binoche,



fanny ardant -




they're all older now and past their prime not as pretty as they used to be. but i still love their movies from the 90's and 80's.

but now..when i think of french ladies i just do a 'meh'. like i said. i'm not saying that exotic looking french ladies aren't out there. i just not as impressed as i used to be. i could be wrong, i just don't think beautiful women in france are as plentiful as in east europe/russia.

in contrast to slavic ladies. i'm just not as impressed anymore. i once had motivation to learn french and i still want to learn it. but its not a priority like it used to be.

[Wreckingball]

Thanks for corroborating what I said.

About the food: Not well cooked, rely to much on sauces to disguise the bad taste of the meat. I will not even start to talk about "nouvelle cuisine".
The wines are good, but way to overpriced. You can find other southern european wines much better and cheaper, same goes for champagne (however french high end champagne wins).
Transports suck in Paris... terrorist paranoia, bums, piss smell and dirt, if you leave the tourist area it is dirty as a pigsty and very unsafe.

The french know very well how to market their stuff, even their language!

(05-23-2013 06:51 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-23-2013 06:24 AM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

French girls are overrated as is their food, wine and their capital.

Whether you like it or not, France has always been the most visited country in the world, many visitors coming back repeatedly. Russian women, notably, never have enough of Paris - and of french food (as of french wines for that matter).

[thegmanifesto]

hayesbrandon30,

Where have you been in France?

For how long?

[Jaylow]

I guess we are talking about European french here but when I lived in Ottawa some of the hottest girls I saw were Quebecois since Ottawa is right on the Quebec border. You can tell just by looking at them where they are from because they actually have style and a certain walk. If I ever get married it will more than likely be a brunette french girl, they drive me insane.

[LEMONed IScream]

I do not rate them very highly I'm afraid!

But there are surely some very interesting dimes I've encountered, I would say they have less in quantity but can have outstanding and unusual quality, rarely though.

[Prosal]

(05-23-2013 04:13 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

the food: Not well cooked, rely to much on sauces to disguise the bad taste of the meat ...The wines are overpriced ... Paris... bums, piss smell and dirt ... dirty as a pigsty and very unsafe.

I think you're a bit late.

Freedom Fries, France bashing, ect are so 2003.

Now only dumb ass inbred crackers living in trailer parks in deep Kentucky say this type of raving and embittered crap.

[The Fantasist]

Hottest women in western Europe hands down.

Was in Cannes at the film festival this evening ( fuck me Heidi Klum is hot in the flesh! ) and have never seen such a collection of stunning western white women walking around the streets. Some were Russian but a large contingent of stunning French women, some of whom were as attractive as any I have seen anywhere in the world. I find them friendly and approachable too although my lack of French doesn't lead me too far.

I'm completely enamoured with France and French women to be honest. I never knew that the country on my doorstep could offer what this place has to offer. It's the most incredible part of the world I have been to hands down. I have a lot of thoughts I'll share later into my trip but so far France has totally blown me away. As a Brit I have to admit that this country and it's culture and people are better than us in seemingly every way. It seems we may have won a few battles but bugger me, France certainly won the war.

[thegmanifesto]

I will ask this to all the France haters:

Where have you been in France?

How long?

---

Side note:

Vorkuta, are you going to be able to come up with some Nice Data by trips end?

[WEDO]

I was recently on a flight full of french coeds.....they were slim, attractive and weren't offended by my interest in them.

Never had an interest in visiting France....but I'd consider it now.

[The Fantasist]

(05-23-2013 06:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Vorkuta, are you going to be able to come up with some Nice Data by trips end?

Of course. I'll pump something out at the end of the trip.

I have not hit a club yet but will go to High Club tomorrow I think.

Let me know what you want to know and I'll write it out at some point.

Everyone should visit this area once: St. Tropez ( have not been yet ) - Cannes - Nice - Monaco all within a relatively short distance of each other. It's incredible.

[Mac Chicken]

I don' think french women are overrated. I'm pretty happy to be born in France in terms of women. I guess the quality depends where you are, it's higher in Paris. But I prefer the one from the south. And if you like arab girls, it is definitely the best country in the western world.

French women are clearly not the best in the world but there are good talents.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-23-2013 06:55 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(05-23-2013 06:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Vorkuta, are you going to be able to come up with some Nice Data by trips end?

Of course. I'll pump something out at the end of the trip.

I have not hit a club yet but will go to High Club tomorrow I think.

Let me know what you want to know and I'll write it out at some point.

Everyone should visit this area once: St. Tropez ( have not been yet ) - Cannes - Nice - Monaco all within a relatively short distance of each other. It's incredible.

That would be great.

You know, the usual: best restaurants (not necessarily most expensive), bars, lounges, clubs.

Date spots. Day activities.

Which spots do the cats with dough and Custom Suits hang out with the fly girls in dresses and high heels?

A Step-By-Step™ on any or all would be phenomenal.

Any info on those four, or smaller spots in between would be invaluable.

[InternationPlayboy]

I'm gonna have to go with speakeasy and say that most of the hot french girls I've met that were good looking were of arabic or northern african decent. This is just going off the French girls I've met in the states though.

[Sp5]

Since I'm 56, I appreciate how their "women of a certain age" keep themselves. Slim, well dressed, at least polite, at best engaging.

[rivelino]

1. in some ways, all of us men like the same thing: a pretty face, a slender body, long hair, a feminine way of walking and talking, etc.

2. but in other ways, we like different things: some prefer blondes, other brunettes, some prefer big asses, others long legs, some men like tall girls, others like tiny girls they can throw around in bed, some like fake tits, others hate fake tits, some love tattoos, other don't, etc.

3. to the second list, i propose one word that sums up a lot of those qualities: some men don't mind if a girl is "tacky", and other men can't stand tacky girls.

4. if you don't really understand what i mean by tacky girls, then you are one of the men that doesn't mind tacky girls. congratulations, you can go to EE without any problem, because the girls won't offend your aesthetic sensibility.

5. however, if you know what i mean by a tacky girl -- fake tits, fake nails, big hoop earrings, trying too hard with the platform heels, fake tan maybe, 80s styling, does not know anything about high culture, doesn't read, just likes to dance and smoke and fuck -- then that means that you don't like tacky girls, and that is when you can most appreciate french girls, and in particular i mean parisian girls.

6. i was only in paris one week last year, but i was blown away by how stylish, feminine, and sophisticated they were. i loved that.

[Prosal]

(05-24-2013 01:38 AM)rivelino Wrote:  

6. i was only in paris one week last year, but i was blown away by how stylish, feminine, and sophisticated they were. i loved that.

May I chime in ?

I never hesitate to show a bit of (objective) national pride when the matter deserves it, but all those sanguine posts about french women make me wonder if I really live in Paris.

First the ratio of truly hot girls is not that great here, even in the cosmopolitan bowels. For one gorgeous woman, you have four or five ranging from rather hot to fuckably cute, four or five "maybe worth a drunken fuck", and ten straight out unfuckable. "Stylish, feminine and sophisticated" ? ..... seriously ? ..... I have been living within a stone's throw from Champs Elysées during twenty years, and now I live since five years one minute walking to the Opera (thus upper-end areas), and I can ATTEST that 80% of the girls are dressed with no style, no feminity, and with cheap brands. How many women have you seen in Paris wearing high heels ? .... one out of thirty at best. Now compare that to EE/FSU, where you can't walk ten meters without bumping into a long-legged beauty, where women wear fuck-me heels even to go to the grocery store, where they most often are wraped up with too short skirts or tiny dresses and with perfect hair, manucures and make-up and not an eyelash out of place, ect.

A few weeks ago I was invited at a party at "L'Arc" (of the best glam club in Paris) which was supposed to be one of the most important party of year, and honestly, beside my russian GF and the other russian girls who were there, VERY few girls would have fit in (and I mean just fit in, not even stand out) in an upper-end club in Moscow.

Also french girls are very much in search of "The One" and are rather difficult to score (there's a reason why french guys are so horny when they see a russian girl - it's because they are sexually frustrated). They date in their peer group, sharing the same interests, ect ect. They are very much in the "politically correct" and the "socially acceptable", which is another HUGE difference with EE/FSU girls who tend to follow their instinct without thinking twice and don't care about what is socilally acceptable or not... I also find them rather average in bed, often childish, rather unworldly and unexperienced but utterly convinced of their own knowledge and importance, ect.

About arabic girls (beurettes), I had just two or three of them in my whole life and personally now wouldn't touch those girls with a 10" pole. It's usually messy trouble guaranteed. Admittedly, some are hot, but most of them are offensive, malevolent, bitter, malicious, hurtful, calculating and greedy - "qualities" that they share with their male counterparts.

Sorry.


PS: V, I understand your enthousiasm, but you perfectly know that Cannes during the festival is a fantasy land, it's not the real world.

[Prosal]

(05-24-2013 01:38 AM)rivelino Wrote:  

4. if you don't really understand what i mean by tacky girls, then you are one of the men that doesn't mind tacky girls. congratulations, you can go to EE without any problem, because the girls won't offend your aesthetic sensibility.

5. however, if you know what i mean by a tacky girl -- fake tits, fake nails, big hoop earrings, trying too hard with the platform heels, fake tan maybe, 80s styling, does not know anything about high culture, doesn't read, just likes to dance and smoke and fuck -- then that means that you don't like tacky girls, and that is when you can most appreciate french girls, and in particular i mean parisian girls.

Hmm. Have you ever met any, I mean REAL russian women?

They are the greatest women on the planet, that's all. They are beautiful, charming, classy, feminine to the max, intelligent, cultured, passionate, emotionally generous, challenging, witty, indulgent with their man, fun loving, spontaneous, wild ....ladies on the street and freaks in the bed. Besides, they are pretty easy... relatively speaking. Have you met many french women that accumulated all those qualities ? ..if yes, then you are lucky.

Women in FSU "do not know anything about high culture and don't read" ? .... are you joking ? .... their intelligence, or at least their cultural knowledge, is astounding, even among the ditzier ones. Most are very well read and by-and-large, far more learned in classical arts (literature, painting, music, ect) than french girls. They are also great conversationalists, I find that any evening with a Russian girl (even if it does NOT end in sex) is interesting and often educational. Contrarily, an evening with a French girl (even if it DOES end in sex) is most often boring as hell.

As for the "fake tits", in fact most of the women in FSU are untouched by a scalpel. That said, I agree that silicon is obviously a problem of growing importance in EE, especially in Romania.

[hayesbrandon30]

(05-24-2013 02:59 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 01:38 AM)rivelino Wrote:  

6. i was only in paris one week last year, but i was blown away by how stylish, feminine, and sophisticated they were. i loved that.

May I chime in ?

I never hesitate to show a bit of (objective) national pride when the matter deserves it, but all those sanguine posts about french women make me wonder if I really live in Paris.

First the ratio of truly hot girls is not that great here, even in the cosmopolitan bowels. For one gorgeous woman, you have four or five ranging from rather hot to fuckably cute, four or five "maybe worth a drunken fuck", and ten straight out unfuckable. "Stylish, feminine and sophisticated" ? ..... seriously ? ..... I have been living within a stone's throw from Champs Elysées during twenty years, and now I live since five years one minute walking to the Opera (thus upper-end areas), and I can ATTEST that 80% of the girls are dressed with no style, no feminity, and with cheap brands. How many women have you seen in Paris wearing high heels ? .... one out of thirty at best. Now compare that to EE/FSU, where you can't walk ten meters without bumping into a long-legged beauty, where women wear fuck-me heels even to go to the grocery store, where they most often are wraped up with too short skirts or tiny dresses and with perfect hair, manucures and make-up and not an eyelash out of place, ect.

A few weeks ago I was invited at a party at "L'Arc" (of the best glam club in Paris) which was supposed to be one of the most important party of year, and honestly, beside my russian GF and the other russian girls who were there, VERY few girls would have fit in (and I mean just fit in, not even stand out) in an upper-end club in Moscow.

Also french girls are very much in search of "The One" and are rather difficult to score (there's a reason why french guys are so horny when they see a russian girl - it's because they are sexually frustrated). They date in their peer group, sharing the same interests, ect ect. They are very much in the "politically correct" and the "socially acceptable", which is another HUGE difference with EE/FSU girls who tend to follow their instinct without thinking twice and don't care about what is socilally acceptable or not... I also find them rather average in bed, often childish, rather unworldly and unexperienced but utterly convinced of their own knowledge and importance, ect.

About arabic girls (beurettes), I had just two or three of them in my whole life and personally now wouldn't touch those girls with a 10" pole. It's usually messy trouble guaranteed. Admittedly, some are hot, but most of them are offensive, malevolent, bitter, malicious, hurtful, calculating and greedy - "qualities" that they share with their male counterparts.

Sorry.


PS: V, I understand your enthousiasm, but you perfectly know that Cannes during the festival is a fantasy land, it's not the real world.

Thank you for this confirmation. its great to hear this from a guy who lives there. i was just going off how i felt. most of what i was saying was guesswork and my own feelings based on what i was seeing. but yeah.

french women are overrated. if i could time travel back the 90's and bang irene jacob, fanny ardant, or juliette binoche when they were in their prime.



hell yeah, would i like to have a french 8-9 girl. sure. but i wonder if its worth the effort. i now see what is wrong with situations where pretty/exotic girls are the few, average looking girls are many, and feminism is a standard way of thinking and there are cultural adjustments too.

[Akula]

(05-24-2013 02:59 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-24-2013 01:38 AM)rivelino Wrote:  

6. i was only in paris one week last year, but i was blown away by how stylish, feminine, and sophisticated they were. i loved that.

May I chime in ?

I never hesitate to show a bit of (objective) national pride when the matter deserves it, but all those sanguine posts about french women make me wonder if I really live in Paris.

First the ratio of truly hot girls is not that great here, even in the cosmopolitan bowels. For one gorgeous woman, you have four or five ranging from rather hot to fuckably cute, four or five "maybe worth a drunken fuck", and ten straight out unfuckable. "Stylish, feminine and sophisticated" ? ..... seriously ? ..... I have been living within a stone's throw from Champs Elysées during twenty years, and now I live since five years one minute walking to the Opera (thus upper-end areas), and I can ATTEST that 80% of the girls are dressed with no style, no feminity, and with cheap brands. How many women have you seen in Paris wearing high heels ? .... one out of thirty at best. Now compare that to EE/FSU, where you can't walk ten meters without bumping into a long-legged beauty, where women wear fuck-me heels even to go to the grocery store, where they most often are wraped up with too short skirts or tiny dresses and with perfect hair, manucures and make-up and not an eyelash out of place, ect.

A few weeks ago I was invited at a party at "L'Arc" (of the best glam club in Paris) which was supposed to be one of the most important party of year, and honestly, beside my russian GF and the other russian girls who were there, VERY few girls would have fit in (and I mean just fit in, not even stand out) in an upper-end club in Moscow.

Also french girls are very much in search of "The One" and are rather difficult to score (there's a reason why french guys are so horny when they see a russian girl - it's because they are sexually frustrated). They date in their peer group, sharing the same interests, ect ect. They are very much in the "politically correct" and the "socially acceptable", which is another HUGE difference with EE/FSU girls who tend to follow their instinct without thinking twice and don't care about what is socilally acceptable or not... I also find them rather average in bed, often childish, rather unworldly and unexperienced but utterly convinced of their own knowledge and importance, ect.

About arabic girls (beurettes), I had just two or three of them in my whole life and personally now wouldn't touch those girls with a 10" pole. It's usually messy trouble guaranteed. Admittedly, some are hot, but most of them are offensive, malevolent, bitter, malicious, hurtful, calculating and greedy - "qualities" that they share with their male counterparts.

Sorry.


PS: V, I understand your enthousiasm, but you perfectly know that Cannes during the festival is a fantasy land, it's not the real world.

Wow Prosal....real bummer dude. I was hoping it was better than that. Was in Paris earlier this year and thought I saw some fairly attractive women generally, but there are so many tourists it's hard to tell who the locals are sometimes. I know the French girls aren't anywhere near the EE girls generally, but I would say many seemed to dress fairly feminine at least compared to the nightmare that we deal with in the US. Hell, compared to US girls French girls are way more beautiful, sophisticated, stylish and feminine I'd say. But that says more about the lack of style and femininity in the US.

[hayesbrandon30]

this is an old interview with irene jacob. i love her personality and her feminine qualities. she a mature woman now, but she was once a beautiful french 7.5 in beauty/looks. but i think french movies give american people this kind of fantasy about love, sex and lack of sexual boundaries that don't exist.

but once men see all the possibilities that exist in FSU the beautiful truth is revealed.

[The Fantasist]

(05-24-2013 08:30 AM)hayesbrandon30 Wrote:  

but yeah french women are overrated.

Out of interest, you're basing that statement on what? How many trips to the country have you taken?

I think it's all relative and subjective and depends where you come from. To me as a Brit the women here in France are great. They are slim, attractive, feminine and have a seductive quality to them. A certain kind of grace that British women absolutely lack for the most part outside of certain socio-economic brackets.

Of course if like Prosal you see them every day and grew up around them AND bang a lot of Russian women then they are no doubt nothing particularly special. Also I am talking about somewhat distant observations on streets, pubs, beach etc. I have not yet had enough contact to have any insight into their mentality or how they are in a relationship. They could be utter bitches for all I know but judging from my limited interactions so far they are fun and outgoing and don't mind my obvious flirtations however clumsy they have been. In fact they seem to welcome the approaches.

But so far I am impressed with what I see in the women as I am with the country in general.

The only way to find out for yourselves is to come. The sun is out, the Med is warming up, the skirts are short. No excuse not to give it a go.

Edit: Oh, and they love getting the tits out on the beach. Villefranche beach today was a sight to behold.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-24-2013 04:42 AM)Prosal Wrote:  

I find that any evening with a Russian girl (even if it does NOT end in sex) is interesting and often educational. Contrarily, an evening with a French girl (even if it DOES end in sex) is most often boring as hell.

Well, your French, so that would make sense, right?