Quote: (04-09-2013 03:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:
Quote: (04-09-2013 02:04 PM)soup Wrote:
Quote: (04-09-2013 01:40 PM)houston Wrote:
I didn't know about Mystery until this forum. I'd never heard of PUA's and all that until I found Roosh forum. I'm not good with techniques, I just know what works for me. I think some guys on here get to wrapped up in their head trying to think of techniques and moves or whatever. Just gotta relax and be smooth.
This sound like when you hear women tell guys who have trouble with women "Just be yourself".
If I was just going to "be myself", I'd be nowhere in the game. It takes a lot of work to turn your life around. I've had to alter almost everything- I've changed my body language, I walk differently, my voice is lower, I've built more muscle, I've increased my sense of style, I've busted my ass in what seems like countless hours at the bar and online, I go against my anxiety and have re-shaped or released my instincts to approach women and not to fear rejection.
Yes, relax and be smooth. Easier said than done.
My question is this:
Why did it take a guy with goggles on his head and eyeliner to get you to do that?
I guess that is my disconnect. Wouldn't "life" itself get you to do that?
I mean hell, by 7th grade, I told myself "I better figure this sh*t out". By high school, I was well on my way. Senior year, swooping cheerleaders.
For us guys that figured it out "on their own" it sounds ridiculous when kids call Mystery a "pioneer".
Personally I would just skip the cheap knockoff and go to the true source, but maybe that is just me.
It is probably easier to just read an e-book for people these days.
I'll jump on the bandwagon here because my story is rather similar to soup's. I was shy, nice, polite, educated but hopelessly Beta. Fearful of offending girls who are (as everyone knows) disgusted by "jerks" etc etc. A classic love-letter writing, flower-bringing guy that would have been appreciated 50 years ago, but is the bottom of the barrel today. No good looks, height, fame or serious money to help me get at least some accidental attention either. Here's what I take issue with:
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I guess that is my disconnect. Wouldn't "life" itself get you to do that?
Do you seriously think that people don't try to fix this? I've
always felt that something was wrong. You don't just grow up to 21 without ever experiencing sex and never ask yourself what the problem could be.
Of course I tried to fix it.
First I thought if it would help if I were more muscular or did more sports and was told over and over that girls appreciate nerdy guys rather than those "meatheads" (hat tip to Tuthmosis).
How about inviting girls to dates rather than asking? No way, everyone knows girls would get offended if you just assumed they liked you.
Teasing? Oh god no. The
"world is full of jerks who don't take women seriously and treat them like pieces of meat" already.
But wait, I had a friend, a natural who was really good with girls and had banged several and made out with dozens by the end of high school. He told me that
"it just happens" and that
"you just have to believe in yourself" or, at best,
"be confident", as if that's some kind of switch. The idea of seeking out guys who gets lots of women is laughable. Prior to game, a huge majority of those were naturals, and they had no clue. To them, like to my friend, things "just happened".
My dad, when I now occasionally mention evo-psych, basics of seduction and some statistics about the sexual market (such as the famous # of partners / divorce probability graph), just stares blankly, shrugs and says (the same as 10 years before)
"you just have to be yourself" or
"everyone gets what they deserve". I don't blame him, he grew up in a different time. My mom looks great for her age, doesn't bust his balls and he found her through simple social circle (family friend) in high school. To them, things also "just happened".
Then there was the internet, which emerged strongly during my teen years. Mainstream forums filled with thousands of white knights, making fun of anyone who dared to ask if a slutty girl that played him might be just a slut rather than "a woman who needs love and attention even more." Laughing at the idea of giving up always being nice and understanding, laughing at the idea of "seduction" and claiming that either it doesn't exist, or that only girls who "fall for some lines" are low-quality, stupid, drunk etc. If you could have Yahoo or AltaVista searched for advice, the RSD stuff or Doc Love, as basic as they were, would have never been on the first 20 pages.
The point is, I got good ideas for fixing it on my own. The environment stamped them away ruthlessly. You need a huge, concentrated jolt to break out of that shit. Some guys learn the truth on their own, and it probably helps if they are innately more stubborn, or if were born earlier (say, 70s), with some basic assets to get confidence from, or if their environment weren't so toxic yet. Great for them!
But I was unfortunate in that regard, and many other guys are. All of those guys have low chances of ever improving unless they receive a concentrated, no-bullshit summary of how things are, like you would find on this forum, in Bang and Day Bang, or in Mystery Method and Game. Maybe it sounds incredible to you, but
before Mystery, it had been easily possible for a guy in modern society to have lived for decades and never have stumbled upon the truth about what attracts women. There is just no conversation about it, it's just a huge echo chamber.
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Personally I would just skip the cheap knockoff and go to the true source, but maybe that is just me.
Forget about it.
There is no true source. At best, if there are inklings of it, they're buried under too much mainstream media bullshit for anyone to find other than a few fortunate souls.
Since discovering game, I've never worn fuzzy hats or painted my nails, or even peacocked beyond a bright-orange shirt once, but knowing how and when attraction happens has made a huge difference. Qualifiers serve me well, agree & amplify does wonders, and I have turned many a disinterested girl into an interested one with a mild neg. Everything is internalized to the point that I don't have to think about it at all. I get all the sex that I want and all the love that I want. The opportunities have increased infinitely. But I would have never discovered them if it weren't for some guy on a game forum (neither Mystery nor Roosh, but still part of the modern evo-psych and analytical approach) and his e-books.
Leave a young Beta in a society full of blue-pill bullshit where "true sources" are scattered like the ruins of Atlantis, and the blue-pill bullshit wins 9 times out of 10.