[thegmanifesto]

The Ride Home in Los Angeles when you actually do close a girl by 1:30 am on a Saturday:



The Ride Home in NYC at 2:30am on a Tuesday:

[Lemmo]

(02-14-2013 09:40 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

This thread is getting hung up on a marginal thread. I'm completely on Tuthmosis' side. Part of it is that most girls feel like a whore if they leave the bar early just to go home with you. I know I spelled it out somewhere, but girls 18-25 *do not* go out to get laid. They go out to have fun. Unless they're chubbies or nymphos, they go home with you usually only when all other after-party options are exhausted. Also, I don't feel like I have much of a chance if it's 12:45AM already, even though I technically have 45 minutes left. I know, that might shift if bars will open til 4. But I think Tuth's analogy of a boxing round is perfect - better they decide it early than late.

That aside...

Manhattan vs the other Boroughs & LA: LA may be just as bad in this department. Outside of the city (eg north of Bel Air, South of LAX, east of Downtown) your prospects start to decline dramatically, even though there are millions more people living in those outlying areas. Admittedly, I'm biased by my experience, but I rarely hear about people raving about anything beyond Pasadena. The Beach Cities have received very mixed reviews.

Attractiveness of the girls: Let's get one thing straight - we're here to fuck, not to ogle. We're not here to get pictures of us with hot girls so we can post them on facebook the next day and make our friends think we fucked them. The allure of 9s will wear off pretty quick when you can't touch them. Generally more 9s means it's easier to bang more attractive girls. But if the choice comes down to a city full of 8s that you can bang and a city full of 9s that you can't, guess which one wins hands down... I'm not saying that LA is one and NYC is the other - I don't know that it is. But it's what you can bang that matters.

Culture: This is pretty amorphous but... it seems like LA has the trashier version of everything New York has. New York has models and fashion shows, LA has... high end denim and Dov Charney. New York has Broadway, LA has... Hollywood. NY has top shelf restaurants, LA has... food trucks. NY has Central Park, LA has... Echo Park. NY has Ricans, LA has Mestizas.

NY has:



LA has:



One of the biggest factors in macking girls is how provincial the girls are, and how tight their local network is. The less provincial they are, the fewer people they're still hanging out with from college and high school, the easier it is to mack. I went to a shitty house party in OC recently, and most of the people knew each other from god damn high school. There was also a solid 8.5-9, blonde, thin, tall, dating a fairly average dude. This sort of thing happens when social circles are the main barrier to entry. NY will have the edge here, provided the girl is not some NY JAP or something.

"I think any time we say "Day Game" is vital to the success in a place is just code talk for the nightlife in that city sucks beyond belief."

100%.

Quote:

I think the panning of Mexican girls is going a bit overboard. I wouldn't say their general attractiveness level is below average. Yes it will be if you are in the poor parts of east LA. But the ones who mingle in Hollywood or the West Side are no more likely to be unattractive than any other type of woman. Go to Staples Center during a Laker game and tell me you don't see tons of cute Mexican girls.

Lol and you posted a pic of paid beer reps... whose sole job is to look hot. (I had a roommate briefly who did this, she was hot.) I'd be impressed if you could find representative photos anywhere near as consistently attractive, with girls who aren't cherry picked.

Here are some photos I pulled of high schoolers (google photo search of 'los angeles high school student photo'). This is not to ogle over, just to give you a sense of what they look like. For whatever reason, it's okay to say that Bolivian chicks are ugly, but it's not PC to say that if those same Bolivian chicks moved to LA...

I linked most of these because the pics are huge.


http://roozt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads...gp2625.jpg
http://bigpicturela.org/wp-content/uploa...G_1441.jpg
http://theheartproject.org/blog/wp-conte...s-ccb1.jpg
http://blogs.kusp.org/education/files/20...G_1377.jpg
http://latino963.com/wp-content/uploads/...CN2768.jpg
(4th from left is a cutie)

Compare to something like this.

I do know a guy who is Latino, and he swears up and down there are cute Latina girls, in places like Montebello; the middle class ones apparently don't stick around here. That may be 100% true, but I'm talking about the city of LA, including the Westside. You'll also find some educated, middle to upper class Latinas around sometimes, I've banged a couple.

While Latinos may comprise half the city's population, including the mayor, psychologically speaking, Latinos are about 5% of the population in the minds of (predominantly middle-upper class) whites in LA. Sort of how like whites in LA will tell you that 'no one' takes the bus, because the eclectic mix of poor, senile, retarded and traveling European people don't really figure as people in their mind. All this shit is the stuff you're not even supposed to notice or consciously think - you're supposed to stay in your own bubble and not notice.

Honestly, I've never felt the desire to live in NYC. I've spent a few days here and there there. People are packed in pretty tight, and you're constantly surrounded by riff-raff when you aren't in LA, unless you're broke. (NY people thinks this makes them hard, uh, no. And who gives a fuck? You wouldn't subject yourself to that shit if you didn't have to.)

Well illustrated. I was never able to understand how people seemed satisfied with NY, LA, other US urban shitholes and would speak highly of the quality of the people. Then I realized that they were classifying 75%+ of the population as non-human when forming their opinions. Those beer rep girls, if dressed in normal clothes with normal make-up, would not get a 2nd glance in a major European city (or even a decent US college town).

[Tuthmosis]

Your Driver Giving You the Run-Around In NY:

   

Your Driver Giving You the Run-Around in LA:

   

[Sakebomb]

LOL, LA or NY, I'm loving this thread. What fun bunch of dudes you are!

[thegmanifesto]

Your Bedroom in NYC at 3am on a Wednesday night, because you had enough time for drinks to close the two girls at the bar:



Your buddies crib in Los Angeles at 2:15am on a Friday Night because you didn't:

[Tuthmosis]

Carousel Riders in Los Angeles:

   

Carousel Riders in New York:

   

[thegmanifesto]

This thread reminds me why Miami Beach dominates both.

Great logistics, beach, dense, Models, International, great weather, great water temp, less competition, friendly competition, topless girls, high heels, skirts, feminine girls, better ratios (at least way better than LA) Great days, Better nights, late last call. And no state income tax. That extra $56,000 you save can buy you some cocktails and cabs.

Best of both worlds that neither LA or NYC can claim.

Miami Beach at 3pm (actual picture from last weekend's Model Volleyball Tournament):



Miami Beach at 3am (Bianca opening):

[temujin]

Street game in New York City




Street game in Los Angeles

[Hencredible Casanova]

Those DC clubbing pics are hilarious Tuth but in all seriousness I do not come across venues like that in DC. I'm not saying they don't exist, I wouldn't know, it's just those aren't the type of places I go. I think DC clubbing - particularly hip-hop - is superior to LA. Even classic spots like the Century Club don't hold a candle to Dream/Love in DC's clubbing heyday.

[jordypip23]

I don't think you're giving the outer boroughs enough credit. Nowadays in some circles, Brooklyn has some ZIP codes that are almost as hip as some of the hot Manhattan neighborhoods. Additionally, if you like ethnic women, Queens is filled with a very diverse population of women from all over the globe. And the subway system that connects Queens & Brooklyn with Manhattan is still way better than any sort of public transit anywhere in the Los Angeles area.

(02-14-2013 01:11 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 12:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

NYC has way better logistics for the average guy trying to get laid.

LA is way more spread out and almost requires a car.

NYC only has better logistics if you can afford to live in Manhattan. LA does require a car, but the cost of renting even a small apartment in Manhattan is ridiculous.

The video that Roosh posted is somewhat accurate if you restrict your analysis to white chicks in LA. Good looking white chicks in LA can be bitches since there are so few of them to go around relative to the general population of LA (LA is overwhelmingly non-white). Manhattan, on the other hand, is about half white, so white chicks there aren't as bitchy. Also, the gender ratio is in favor of men in Manhattan (more women than men), whereas the gender ratio is in favor of women in LA (more men than women).

Enough said.

[Kish]

Ha! I think Tuth and G just started a new RVF trend. Hilarious pics!

[babelfish669]

Manhattan may be fucking expensive, but at least it deserves it. LA is a good place to visit when you know exactly whats going on and what you are going to do. NYC you can just wander around, day or night, and meet girls.

[jordypip23]

Someone's gotta do a 2Pac & Biggie comparison shot....or maybe 50 Cent vs. The Game for something from a few years back. Case in point, LA & NYC both have a lot of things to offer, but it really comes down to lifestyle. The lifestyle, vibe & logistics are completely different in the two cities. And this was even reflected in the contrasting musical styles back in the day. At least before every bozo rapper from NY started jumping on the down South bandwagon.

[temujin]

Street Game in Los Angeles





Street Game in the FSU

[Vicious]

Everyone at least seems to agree that day game is your best option for actually scoring in both cities. Isn't thus a comparison between day game in these cities relevant?
I can talk at length about NYC but I 've never been in LA.

[Tuthmosis]

Weekend Road Trip with Your Buddies to Swoop More Chicks - Los Angeles Edition

   

   

   

Weekend Road Trip with Your Buddies to Swoop More Chicks - New York Edition

   

   

   

[jordypip23]

Good call bro. A great combo would be for a New Yorker to utilize NYC in the warmer months and have a crash pad snowbird style in Miami Beach during the cold months. Not surprisingly, there are a ton of New Yorkers that move to Miami or visit Miami. I'm sure Miami's gonna get crazy with the upcoming Winter Music Conference. Just watch out for the bath salt consuming zombie face eaters, lol.

For sheer money making opportunities, however, Miami usually can't top NYC. That's why for some, having those two cities available as a combo pair might be key.

(02-14-2013 11:07 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This thread reminds me why Miami Beach dominates both.

Great logistics, beach, dense, Models, International, great weather, great water temp, less competition, friendly competition, topless girls, high heels, skirts, feminine girls, better ratios (at least way better than LA) Great days, Better nights, late last call. And no state income tax. That extra $56,000 you save can buy you some cocktails and cabs.

Best of both worlds that neither LA or NYC can claim.

Miami Beach at 3pm (actual picture from last weekend's Model Volleyball Tournament):



Miami Beach at 3am (Bianca opening):

[renotime]

(02-15-2013 01:11 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Weekend Road Trip with Your Buddies to Swoop More Chicks - Los Angeles Edition







Weekend Road Trip with Your Buddies to Swoop More Chicks - New York Edition



The line has been crossed.

[Tenerife]

(02-14-2013 04:30 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:16 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 04:08 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Do last calls really matter that much? When I've gamed in NYC and Miami I've always closed (when I've closed) before 2am. At those later hours the guys get drunker, the bitch shields bigger and music louder.

Immensely.

Do you want to play half a game or a full Game?

There is a reason why championship fights are 12 rounds and amateur fights are 3 rounds.

Sure, you might be Mike Tyson and can end your fights in 3 rounds, but if you don't it is nice to have rounds 4-12 to still get the KO.

Make sense?

Not feeling the metaphor, don't see how it applies to night game. I should add however that I got out EARLY. I'm at the bar at 6pm grabbing the first female dinners and collecting numbers that I will later touch back on during the night.

You really think last call is inconsequential? Man, I really disagree. Being FROM america and having had to experience it for years, I'm telling you, it is like a fucking DEATH KNELL. It makes game twice as hard. People can't get as drunk, or for as long, which is a key piece to night game.

And also, it's about freedom. I should be able to get drunk at any time I want at a venue.

[Tenerife]

(02-14-2013 08:07 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:59 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

You really wouldn't want to be able to get at least one more cocktail at 1:31am and see a place packed with hot girls in high heels and skirts?

The game clock is the same for everyone; all that closing time does is sound the horn. I'd much rather know that I don't have to try to outlast all the other crabs in the bucket until 3 or 4 or 5 in the morning. That's like having a boxing match with no rounds. I might win, but I have to fight to the finish. I'd rather have things called and a winner declared. If I lost, I can have another fight tomorrow, because I didn't wear myself out in the one fight.

"The game clock is the same for everyone" Right. and I think it makes it harder for everyone when last call is earlier. More girls are going to get banged if last call is later. That's my position.

It's not like every girl is thinking "okay, I HAVE TO GET FUCKED TONIGHT, no matter what time! By the time this club fucking closes I need a dick! if it's 9pm or 5am!"

[speakeasy]

(02-14-2013 08:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ha.

Sharkeez is awful.

Anything spelled "Sharkeez" of course is.

Agreed. I've always wondered who the hell would name a place Shark-EEZ.

I've been in there before, this picture of Sharkeez is pretty typical of the southbay scene, bros and former sororities girls that like to scream "whoooooo!" for no reason in particular.



I can't believe there's people complaining that there's no white girls in LA.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-15-2013 03:56 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 08:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ha.

Sharkeez is awful.

Anything spelled "Sharkeez" of course is.

Agreed. I've always wondered who the hell would name a place Shark-EEZ.

I've been in there before, this picture of Sharkeez is pretty typical of the southbay scene, bros and former sororities girls that like to scream "whoooooo!" for no reason in particular.



I can't believe there's people complaining that there's no white girls in LA.

I have been to Sharkeez several times, and regretted it each time. It was *never* that white on a regular weekend night. Waterman's next door can be though. In either case, and the South Bay generally, nearly all the cute white girls who show up have tons of friends nearby, and don't really entertain 'randos.' What you have left are the people who truck in. The girls that can be approached are often not worth approaching. Sharkeez is an appropriate name, given what a shark tank the joint is - one forum member went once and said he's never seen more aggressive guys.

+1. Very LA lay - we took a cab to one of our cars, drove to the other's, then followed the other home. She was super down, and we met around last call. Rarely close a girl that late.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-15-2013 12:27 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Everyone at least seems to agree that day game is your best option for actually scoring in both cities. Isn't thus a comparison between day game in these cities relevant?
I can talk at length about NYC but I 've never been in LA.

I don't think anyone is saying that.

I think what we are saying is nightgame and nightlife in LA sucks, which is why LA defenders are using code talk like "You just need to do Day Game and all other weird kinds of game in LA to make it cool!!!!"

(IE, people saying things like "You just need to use Upsidedown, Inverted Grocery Store Game with an R&B Twist in LA and it can be just as good as NYC, I swear!!!!"

And here is the difference of Day Game in LA vs NYC:

LA Day Game: a fly girl in her car two cars up and three lanes over.

NYC Day Game: a fly girl on a bench smoking a cigarette.

(02-15-2013 03:56 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 08:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ha.

Sharkeez is awful.

Anything spelled "Sharkeez" of course is.

Agreed. I've always wondered who the hell would name a place Shark-EEZ.

I've been in there before, this picture of Sharkeez is pretty typical of the southbay scene, bros and former sororities girls that like to scream "whoooooo!" for no reason in particular.



I can't believe there's people complaining that there's no white girls in LA.

Tuth actually made a tactical error in bringing up Shakeez to make his case, and thus guaranteed himself to lose the argument.

I am kind of surprised that such a veteran like Tuth could have made such a rookie mistake. He must have had an off night last night (maybe it being Valentines), so all is forgiven.

Sharkeez might be one of the worst bars ever created by man. Anyone who goes there would be better off killing yourself.

We should get some of those colored dots on the males and females of some Sharkeez bar photos.

I bet they would be worse ratios than the infamous Ultra Bar in DC picture.

For anyone that is interested, here is LA Nightlife at it's finest, particularly Sharkeez (Tuth's favorite bar and the basis for him claiming LA nightlife is the best in the world) on a Saturday night:



Looks fun, right?

(I don't know how to do it, but someone get some of those colored dots on this picture).

I am sure you guys in Canada and Europe are lighting up your computers to buy a plane flight to LA for some world class nightlife (that is until you just start having fun and get kicked out at 1:30am sharp).

[Tenerife]

LA nightlife sucks.

Case closed.

[Basil Ransom]

Haha, *that* is the Sharkeez I used to know... Though it usually wasn't *that* bad - that might be from a UFC fight night.