[KorbenDallas]

I thought this thread would be a compilation refuting feminist bullshit, so, if your ever debating a 350 pound feminist you could have one place to go to get a lot of good stuff instead of scouring the entire manosphere.

Forum Rules:

1. Only refute one thing at a time. I don't want one person refuting everything all in one huge post. I'm not saying you can't refute more than on thing, but do it one post at a time, so, as to let others get their licks in. Everyone doesn't like feminism, but people have specific things they don't like the most. Some guys on here are divorced, some have had to deal with fat girls at work, others simply can't stand American girls entitled attitude.

2. Try to refute things with sources and evidence. This isn't mandatory, but its more compelling to really nail it than just stating an opinion even if your opinion is true.

3. You can refute a talking point with text or just link to sources. I don't care this is really an open forum. I just don't want one person doing one massive refutation of the idiocy of feminism all in one post. Like I said, let everyone get their licks in.

Ok then, so, I'll start.

Feminist talking point, beauty is subjective and women can't be ranked.
Really? These posts from heartiste beg to differ. /http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/female-beauty-from-1-to-10-2/

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/1...of-beauty/

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/11/...ree-girls/

Choice reading:

When people were shown pictures of sculptures in a new study, brain scans suggest they judged beauty by at least partly hard-wired standards.

Researchers in Italy showed volunteers original and distorted images of Classical and Renaissance sculptures. The scientists picked 14 volunteers with no experience in art theory to try to see what role pure biology had to do with judging art.

The proportions of the sculptures in the study followed the golden ratio. And the original images of them strongly activated sets of brain cells that the distorted images did not—including the insula, a brain structure that mediates emotions.

“We were very surprised that very small modifications to images of the sculptures led to very strong modifications in brain activity,” researcher Giacomo Rizzolatti, a neuroscientist at the University of Parma, told LiveScience.

In addition, instead of asking volunteers to simply enjoy these pictures, the researchers also had them judge how beautiful or ugly each was. The images thought of as beautiful activated the right amygdala, a brain structure that responds to memories laden with emotional value. (The original images were often judged by the test subjects as more beautiful than distorted ones.)

The results indicate that the sense of beauty is based on hard-wired notions triggered in the insula and one’s experiences, and then activated in the amygdala. Still, the scientists caution the findings cannot necessarily be generalized across cultures.

[funkyzeit]

You shouldn't argue with a feminist. Just mock them.

But this is not a bad idea if you *have* to argue. I would like a proof of bullshit for "One billion rises" movement's claim that 33% of women will be raped or beaten in their lifetime.

They pulled that number out of their asses and I want to troll them with scientific facts and official law enforcement statistics.

[Asaxon]

Agreed. Feminists cherry pick or invent data as they go along. Why bother?

[bojangles]

Just talk down to them like that patriarchal chauvinistic misogynist high value man that you are

[RandalGraves]

Sure, a lot of feminists will bunker down and flare up their emotions to protect their self-serving beliefs. But you know what, there are way to many guys that have been swept up in feminist propaganda that support their movement.

I think you can pick off people on the margins of "feminism" with some simple, logical arguments. The reason they support feminism, probably, is that they've never been exposed to an alternative viewpoint--rather than out of self-reinforcing self interest.

[Roosh]

Best way to refute is to fuck non-feminists. You win, they lose.

[Private Man]

Don't even bother engaging them with any form of logic and reason. Their entire ideology is solely based on emotions.

Arguing with a feminist is like arguing with a six year old child.

[highandtight]

Agree with Private Man. I've gone down this road many times with some actually intelligent girls. Even though some of these girls are intelligent, they just don't use their brains when it comes to this stuff. The whole thing is just one gigantic emotional cluster.

Each time I have had this "debate" I have hammered away at the purported underpinnings of this whole movement and the end result is always a variation of "you just don't know how it feels to be judged based on your appearance," or "you wouldn't understand XXXYYYZZZ."

Really the whole thing is just a waste of time. Probably better to act like you agree and see if you can pound it from behind later on : )

[KorbenDallas]

Consensus: Not worth it.
Reason I started the thread wasn't any real life encounter with feminists, but rather the article "the 9 ugliest feminists" and reading through the comments. Athlone pounded them into the sand with his arguments; he should get a reward for being an unbelievable comment maker in the comment section of that article.
I had never really read much of the stuff actual feminists spout. What struck me was how ugly they all must be and how much they say "fuck".

[Raving]

Your time would be better spent watching mould grow on an unwashed coffee mug.

[raliv]

Kitchen and sandwich jokes.

[Caligula]

Here are some solid talking points: http://jowsey.com/jokes/misogynist.shtml

[Cincinnatus]

Never argue with a feminist.

The moment you begin to argue with them, you've acknowledged that they may have a point worth discussing.

[tenderman100]

(01-30-2013 09:48 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Best way to refute is to fuck non-feminists. You win, they lose.

I'd say that is the 2nd best way.

The 1st best way is to fuck feminists in a dominating fashion. Tell them, "Sweetheart, as a feminist, you DEserve to explore all aspects of your sexuality"....

and then you ram it right up the ass.

[Hannibal]

Just to answer the OP, one of the most common feminist talking points is something like this

Women make 60-70ish cents for every male dollar.

This one isn't hard to refute, but the problem is that most women won't listen to the refutation. In the free market, if you could seriously get away with paying women less money for the same work, a company that only employed women would absolutely dominate the business sector because it undercuts it's competition.

[Surreyman]

(01-30-2013 03:05 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

Just to answer the OP, one of the most common feminist talking points is something like this

Women make 60-70ish cents for every male dollar.

This one isn't hard to refute, but the problem is that most women won't listen to the refutation. In the free market, if you could seriously get away with paying women less money for the same work, a company that only employed women would absolutely dominate the business sector because it undercuts it's competition.

Women don't take manual jobs, therefore working class women earn less than working class men, because they would rather be a waitress than a bricklayer.

IMO, that explains most of that pay difference. Combine that with the lack of female entrepreneurs, and it's more or less explained by female behaviour.

[tenderman100]

This "women earn just 70 cents for every dollar a man earns" is one of the illogical cudgels used by women. Who, naturally, are weak at math.

Men earn more on AVERAGE because

Men go into technology and hard sciences more than women.
Men tend to take more stressful jobs that are not “nine-to-five.”
Men will work more dangerous jobs
Men are more likely to work longer hours,
Men work more weeks per year than women.
Women often drop out of work for “family reasons.” Less seniority leads to lower pay.
Women place greater value on flexibility, a humane work environment, and having time for children and family than men do.

Control for these factors, and guess what? Women's earning come very close to men's, and in some instances, exceed men's earnings.

But of course, feminists want it all -- all the pay, and none of dedication and risk taking that goes with it.

[Hannibal]

Yeah, you could say that too. I've tried to argue these things with people and I find that most of them will only "listen" for about ten seconds.

There's a story I read awhile ago that illustrates the points you made, the UK police gave bonuses to cops who worked the night shift because it was more dangerous and not during "working hours". All the police officers were male, so I should say they were policemen (gender neutral terms are really starting to piss me off). The policewomen bitched to the government about it to hold their own investigation to see how dangerous the night shift was compared to the day shift, found "seemingly" no difference between the two, and awarded the rest of the policeforce with bonuses just because. Night shift being dangerous aside, the investigation completely failed to recognize that the reason why the night shift workers were getting paid more was because the night shift is a lot less desirable than day shift.

[Goldin Boy]

To quote Solomon:

Quote:

We all know that arguing with a woman or trying to explain our thought process...to her is pointless. You might as well go talk to a damn wall. Women are unprincipled which means all they know is that either they want it or they don’t.

A personal example: I was renting a house on the main drag of my town to a female college student. She's leaving b/c she says it's noisy.

Me: Why are you leaving?
Hamster: It's too noisy.
Me: Is there anything wrong with the unit? What kind of noise?
Hamster: The unit is fine but people are walking by and cars drive past.
Me: It's a residential neighborhood
Hamster: You didn't tell me it was this noisy, I didn't know you were that kind of person.
Me: You signed a lease so you need to pay me.
Hamster: But you didn't tell it was so noisy, if you would've told me I wouldn't have signed this will all come back to you.
Me: You can leave, what's a forwarding address for you mail*, Hamster.
Hamster: Blah, blah
So, it's my fault she signed a legally binding agreement to pay rent becuase I failed to disclose people and car passing by in a residential area. That's what arguements with women look like. Facts don't matter, left can right, up will be down, if that feels right to her.



* I don't give a shit about her mail. I needed the address so I can serve her with a summons once I file this in court.

[Cincinnatus]

(01-30-2013 05:42 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

To quote Solomon:

Quote:

We all know that arguing with a woman or trying to explain our thought process...to her is pointless. You might as well go talk to a damn wall. Women are unprincipled which means all they know is that either they want it or they don’t.

A personal example: I was renting a house on the main drag of my town to a female college student. She's leaving b/c she says it's noisy.

Me: Why are you leaving?
Hamster: It's too noisy.
Me: Is there anything wrong with the unit? What kind of noise?
Hamster: The unit is fine but people are walking by and cars drive past.
Me: It's a residential neighborhood
Hamster: You didn't tell me it was this noisy, I didn't know you were that kind of person.
Me: You signed a lease so you need to pay me.
Hamster: But you didn't tell it was so noisy, if you would've told me I wouldn't have signed this will all come back to you.
Me: You can leave, what's a forwarding address for you mail*, Hamster.
Hamster: Blah, blah
So, it's my fault she signed a legally binding agreement to pay rent becuase I failed to disclose people and car passing by in a residential area. That's what arguements with women look like. Facts don't matter, left can right, up will be down, if that feels right to her.



* I don't give a shit about her mail. I needed the address so I can serve her with a summons once I file this in court.

Please keep us posted about this, bound to be a lot of

[scorpion]

This is the best way to refute a feminist who starts mouthing off with some nonsense and wasting your time.

BONUS: the phallic nature off the extended finger will oppress her!