[Hypno]

(05-07-2019 04:57 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

I don't get the hype for John Wick. I watched #2 (not having seen the first one) and it was hot garbage. I respect Keanu for doing all of that arms training he did for the role but he still can't act. Same expression on his face and a weird, slow delivery of his lines. I think he's a good guy in real life and I hate to "hate" on him but there is just no talent there. He's one lucky fucker that somebody found hiim and decided to cast him for the Matrix films.

I'm not that into action movies, but I liked Wick 1 but barely finished Wick 2. Wick 2 became obvious and repetitive. Wick 1 had a character arc.

Your criticism of Kanu is fair but he did a decent job of acting in Wick 1. I also rewatched Point Break and he wasn't that bad in it either.

Give Wick 1 a chance.

[Transsimian]

Just finished watching Rampant, a medieval Korean zombie film.

There is lots to hate about the movie.

• An unconvincing villain who despite having full access to the palace, a high rank and many well armed soldiers, decides the best way to get rid of the elderlyking is to unleash a uncontrolable zombie plague and assasinate the ambassadors from China, but its okay because he lucks out into getting superpowers unlike all other infectees. [/spoiler]
• A female rebel who's a flawless archer, and gives random lectures on patriotism.
• Zombies who turn at the speed of plot
  

But I couldn't help enjoying all the awesome scenes and action. It is really refreshing to see zombies a historical setting, and there was no real stupidity by any of the protagonists (even more refreshing). (They even had quarantine)

Strongly recommended, Doubly so if you've ever been forced to watch Korean historical dramas by an old girlfriend.

[Manbeline]

John Wick is about to be destroyed by the consequence of having a niche breakout. The third movie is being hit with the trilogy bug: everything is a lot more actiony instead of being down to earth like the first movie. Normally I wouldn't mind Halle Berry in a film, but it's clear she was put in it for feminism reasons. What really kicks me about the trailers is that John's character is being dragged through the mud letting Halle's character shoot him for free. It comes across instantly castrating his character. Then I see there's a female antagonist, so I have a very strong suspicion my favorite recent series is about to get sjw'd.

[Malone]

(05-07-2019 09:14 AM)Manbeline Wrote:  

John Wick is about to be destroyed by the consequence of having a niche breakout. The third movie is being hit with the trilogy bug: everything is a lot more actiony instead of being down to earth like the first movie. Normally I wouldn't mind Halle Berry in a film, but it's clear she was put in it for feminism reasons. What really kicks me about the trailers is that John's character is being dragged through the mud letting Halle's character shoot him for free. It comes across instantly castrating his character. Then I see there's a female antagonist, so I have a very strong suspicion my favorite recent series is about to get sjw'd.

Look at #2 though. They built up the strong, independent dyke killer that don't need no man the whole movie. When they finally met he went through her like she wasn't there.

Now, since it's Halle and not just that C-list dyke I think you're right to be concerned, but I guess we'll see.

[Manbeline]

(05-07-2019 09:55 AM)Malone Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 09:14 AM)Manbeline Wrote:  

John Wick is about to be destroyed by the consequence of having a niche breakout. The third movie is being hit with the trilogy bug: everything is a lot more actiony instead of being down to earth like the first movie. Normally I wouldn't mind Halle Berry in a film, but it's clear she was put in it for feminism reasons. What really kicks me about the trailers is that John's character is being dragged through the mud letting Halle's character shoot him for free. It comes across instantly castrating his character. Then I see there's a female antagonist, so I have a very strong suspicion my favorite recent series is about to get sjw'd.

Look at #2 though. They built up the strong, independent dyke killer that don't need no man the whole movie. When they finally met he went through her like she wasn't there.

Now, since it's Halle and not just that C-list dyke I think you're right to be concerned, but I guess we'll see.

They're saying that the dyke killer is back, so it looks like the nightmare isn't over.

[renotime]

John Wick 2 was awesome. Ya'll are fucking nuts. As far as I'm concerned they set a new precedent for action movies with the first one. Great long shots. Not like the supercuts of Taken or Bourne. I thought the storyline and the dialogue were great as well. And they actually treat women with real equality, ie shooting that bitch in the head because she broke the rules.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-07-2019 05:46 PM)renotime Wrote:  

John Wick 2 was awesome. Ya'll are fucking nuts. As far as I'm concerned they set a new precedent for action movies with the first one. Great long shots. Not like the supercuts of Taken or Bourne. I thought the storyline and the dialogue were great as well. And they actually treat women with real equality, ie shooting that bitch in the head because she broke the rules.

I think that there is a dichotomy of thinking here. I thought that both films were very well done, entertaining, and had minimal SJW influences. So, I enjoyed watching them.

On the other hand, I have a problem with men who believe that the John Wick character is some exemplary example of an alpha-male that should be cheered and emulated. He is just some scumbag with skills who murdered some other scumbags over a dog and a car.

At most, he is an anti-hero who does not even remotely rise to the likeability level of classic anti-heroes, such as Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name.


BTW: This thread peaked my interest enough in "John Wick" that I looked for the film's influences. I have seen all these movies, with the exception of the French film "Le Cercle Rouge," which I just searched for in my library system and could not find. I have not seen "Point Blank" in many years, so I just ordered that film. I have seen all the Korean movies -- and I watch "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" on a semi-regular basis, so no worries there.

Quote:

Director Chad Stahelski said some influences for John Wick included: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966), Point Blank (1967), Le Cercle Rouge (1970), and The Killer (1989).[38]

Stahelski said about The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, "Look at Clint Eastwood in [the film] – there is so much back-story unsaid there. We're big fans of leaving it to your imagination. We just give you some gold coins, and then it's, 'Where do the gold coins come from?' We'll get to that. Have your imagination do some work there." He also said Point Blank influenced John Wick: "One of the biggest inspirations for the film was Point Blank. We watched it on a loop in our office and there are a couple homages to that [in John Wick]."[39] Park Chan-wook's The Vengeance Trilogy (2002–2005) and Lee Jeong-beom's The Man from Nowhere (2010) influenced the film due to "[their] minimalist composition and graphic nature."[40]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wick

[Manbeline]

The Man From Nowhere is definitely felt in John Wick. Basically the same premise.

[TigerMandingo]

I don't have a problem with lone-wolf action movies. I thought The Man from Nowhere was great. I Saw the Devil was incredible. Althought that one isn't really comparable to John Wick. But both of those had credible acting. Whereas JW feels like "we're just here for the paycheck". I'm not expecting Shakespeare theater here, but it is just pathetic. Keanu is unwatchable.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-07-2019 09:41 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Keanu is unwatchable.

Let's face it, the John Wick character was made for Keanu Reeves: a cold intractable killer who shows no emotion or remorse.

Keanu Reeves is better than Arnold Schwarzenegger in playing a cyborg, even when he is not playing a cyborg.


BTW: I agree that "The Man from Nowhere" is great. I watched it again just a few weeks ago.

[TigerMandingo]

He doesn't have "the look" of a murdering contract killer, either. Dude's a good-looking guy with a baby face, and some really shitty facial hair. Arnold is menacing (back in the day) and has a screen presence.

I think Jason Statham would've been good for the role. He's got some range, even though he's always typecast. Javier Bardem with some training would be real fun to watch, too.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-08-2019 12:02 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Javier Bardem with some training would be real fun to watch, too.

Some training? Javier Bardem has already played that role (a murdering contract killer) -- and he won an Academy Award for exactly that role, friendo.

[TigerMandingo]

Yes yes of course. I loved his acting there and the movie was great. But I’m thinking for a role like John Wick he’d probably need to slim down a bit and learn some moves.

[spokepoker]

How about Mads Mikkelson?
"Polar", it's like John Wick, but in the snow.

[Atom89]

I've watched avengers end game and It was absolutely fantastic, started slow and picked up dramatically and was full of drama. The ending was very emotional.

I'm eagerly waiting to Pikachu and another scary movie.

[Richard Turpin]

If you liked the John Wick films and love that whole assassin-brotherhood genre, then you should give Polar a try starring Mads Mikkelsen as a hired killer 'doing one more job before retirement!'. It's fun, fast, violent and filled with T&A. Probably won't be up for any Oscars anytime soon.

EDIT: Sorry Spokepoker! Beat me to it. Good call.

[Panther]

+1 on Polar, it was better than expected.

[Hypno]

Similar themes in Ronin and Carlitos Way.

Great scene in Ronin where he uses game to scout his target. Some nice clothes, body language like he owns the place, etc

Also a great scene near the beginning where he eliminates an AMOG. "What color is the boathouse at Hereford!"

[Tail Gunner]

(05-08-2019 11:26 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Similar themes in Ronin and Carlitos Way.

Great scene in Ronin where he uses game to scout his target. Some nice clothes, body language like he owns the place, etc

Also a great scene near the beginning where he eliminates an AMOG. "What color is the boathouse at Hereford!"

These are all great movies. I think that the best modern hired killer movie is "Collateral." Both Tom Cruise and Janie Foxx gave stellar performances and the tension between Max and Vincent was palpable, not to mention Max's incredible, but still believable, character arc. I am not a big Tom Cruise fan, but I believe that portraying Vincent was the best performance of his career. Janie Foxx won an Oscar for his performance as the big dreamer, Max.

[Player_1337]

[Manbeline]

(05-08-2019 12:38 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:26 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Similar themes in Ronin and Carlitos Way.

Great scene in Ronin where he uses game to scout his target. Some nice clothes, body language like he owns the place, etc

Also a great scene near the beginning where he eliminates an AMOG. "What color is the boathouse at Hereford!"

These are all great movies. I think that the best modern hired killer movie is "Collateral." Both Tom Cruise and Janie Foxx gave stellar performances and the tension between Max and Vincent was palpable, not to mention Max's incredible, but still believable, character arc. I am not a big Tom Cruise fan, but I believe that portraying Vincent was the best performance of his career. Janie Foxx won an Oscar for his performance as the big dreamer, Max.

I love this movie. Especially this scene, which is a good lesson on frame:

[Kurgan]

I watched Rise of the Planet of the Apes and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes recently. It's a reboot of Planet of the Apes. I can defintely say they're a lot better than Tim Burton's awful version but it's also realistic in a way how apes and humans communicate and a more realisitc scenario than what was in the first franchise.

Being blue pilled before I was just exposed to MCU and Star Wars movies, but after taking the red pill, I'm finally expanding my tastes instead of being brainwashed by Disney.

[renotime]

(05-07-2019 06:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 05:46 PM)renotime Wrote:  

John Wick 2 was awesome. Ya'll are fucking nuts. As far as I'm concerned they set a new precedent for action movies with the first one. Great long shots. Not like the supercuts of Taken or Bourne. I thought the storyline and the dialogue were great as well. And they actually treat women with real equality, ie shooting that bitch in the head because she broke the rules.

I think that there is a dichotomy of thinking here. I thought that both films were very well done, entertaining, and had minimal SJW influences. So, I enjoyed watching them.

On the other hand, I have a problem with men who believe that the John Wick character is some exemplary example of an alpha-male that should be cheered and emulated. He is just some scumbag with skills who murdered some other scumbags over a dog and a car.

At most, he is an anti-hero who does not even remotely rise to the likeability level of classic anti-heroes, such as Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name.


BTW: This thread peaked my interest enough in "John Wick" that I looked for the film's influences. I have seen all these movies, with the exception of the French film "Le Cercle Rouge," which I just searched for in my library system and could not find. I have not seen "Point Blank" in many years, so I just ordered that film. I have seen all the Korean movies -- and I watch "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" on a semi-regular basis, so no worries there.

Quote:

Director Chad Stahelski said some influences for John Wick included: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966), Point Blank (1967), Le Cercle Rouge (1970), and The Killer (1989).[38]

Stahelski said about The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, "Look at Clint Eastwood in [the film] – there is so much back-story unsaid there. We're big fans of leaving it to your imagination. We just give you some gold coins, and then it's, 'Where do the gold coins come from?' We'll get to that. Have your imagination do some work there." He also said Point Blank influenced John Wick: "One of the biggest inspirations for the film was Point Blank. We watched it on a loop in our office and there are a couple homages to that [in John Wick]."[39] Park Chan-wook's The Vengeance Trilogy (2002–2005) and Lee Jeong-beom's The Man from Nowhere (2010) influenced the film due to "[their] minimalist composition and graphic nature."[40]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wick

Why would anyone try to emulate a hitman? Did you also have a problem with Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction? Or Stallone in Rambo? They're just movies, man.

But on the other hand it definitely helps to know how to shoot and fight if it should ever come to that.

And Le Cercle Rouge is an amazing movie. The director, Jean Pierre Melville had a great track record with The Samurai, Army of Shadows, Bob the Gambler, and The Red Circle.

Red Circle is probably my favorite. They have a heist scene that lasts a half hour and it's done in complete silence. Real good shit.

[Tail Gunner]

(05-08-2019 09:02 PM)renotime Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 06:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 05:46 PM)renotime Wrote:  

John Wick 2 was awesome. Ya'll are fucking nuts. As far as I'm concerned they set a new precedent for action movies with the first one. Great long shots. Not like the supercuts of Taken or Bourne. I thought the storyline and the dialogue were great as well. And they actually treat women with real equality, ie shooting that bitch in the head because she broke the rules.

I think that there is a dichotomy of thinking here. I thought that both films were very well done, entertaining, and had minimal SJW influences. So, I enjoyed watching them.

On the other hand, I have a problem with men who believe that the John Wick character is some exemplary example of an alpha-male that should be cheered and emulated. He is just some scumbag with skills who murdered some other scumbags over a dog and a car.

At most, he is an anti-hero who does not even remotely rise to the likeability level of classic anti-heroes, such as Clint Eastwood's Man with No Name.


BTW: This thread peaked my interest enough in "John Wick" that I looked for the film's influences. I have seen all these movies, with the exception of the French film "Le Cercle Rouge," which I just searched for in my library system and could not find. I have not seen "Point Blank" in many years, so I just ordered that film. I have seen all the Korean movies -- and I watch "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" on a semi-regular basis, so no worries there.

Quote:

Director Chad Stahelski said some influences for John Wick included: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966), Point Blank (1967), Le Cercle Rouge (1970), and The Killer (1989).[38]

Stahelski said about The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, "Look at Clint Eastwood in [the film] – there is so much back-story unsaid there. We're big fans of leaving it to your imagination. We just give you some gold coins, and then it's, 'Where do the gold coins come from?' We'll get to that. Have your imagination do some work there." He also said Point Blank influenced John Wick: "One of the biggest inspirations for the film was Point Blank. We watched it on a loop in our office and there are a couple homages to that [in John Wick]."[39] Park Chan-wook's The Vengeance Trilogy (2002–2005) and Lee Jeong-beom's The Man from Nowhere (2010) influenced the film due to "[their] minimalist composition and graphic nature."[40]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wick

Why would anyone try to emulate a hitman? Did you also have a problem with Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction? Or Stallone in Rambo? They're just movies, man.

I was referring to mindless alpha worship and emulating a bad and destructive attitude.

[TigerMandingo]

I still think Leon is the peak of hitman movies, even though there’s not much action in the film. The movie was elevated by Jean Reno’s acting.