[MikeinMKE]

So fellas, I am coming off the "Rough Night" thread that I started exactly one week ago - thumbnail is a really hot girl (best looking girl I've dated in my new city) didn't stop a guy from putting his hand on her back and keeping it there for a while - I lost my cool brushed him off, and we're through now.

To rebound, I lined up 4 (no kidding - 4) dates with 6's on Match.com this past week (some had been the works but I usually keep my pipeline full as I have a ton of spare time at my job). I've fucked 1, fooled around/oral sex with 1, sucked on 1's tits, and made out with 1. I'm on a roll with mediocre girls.

My question is: This has gotten my rocks off and been fun to a certain extent, but there is baggage with it. I feel like I'm a 7.5 who dresses really well, has a nice car, swanky condo downtown (which helps seal the deal or escalate pretty easily) and I kind of feel like when I'm going to a bar with these chicks people look at me (especially the sexy bartender girls) like "what is this guy doing with that girl - he could do way better". It doesn't help when these girls dress kind of dowdy and don't maximize their potential. One girl was pretty in the face and has killer tits but she wore this red peacoat that made her look like fucking Miss Piggy. I was embarrassed to be seen with her at this one bar we went to that was pretty upscale and the bartender/few clients in there were very stylish and good looking. I fit in - she didn't. I felt looks of curiosity (may be psychosomatic but I felt them). I size up other couples this way so I assume I get sized up similarly when I'm on a date... or am I just weird?

Is that in my head, or do you think that there's some collateral damage to my confidence to be "dating down" consistently - even if I'm hooking up/getting bangs, etc. Also - keep in mind that I'm going to have to eventually blow these chicks off after I fuck them and I don't really love doing that either - it's basically what the original hot chick from the "Rough Night" thread did to me and it ruined my subsequent 36 hours.

[ryanf]

If it's fucking with your inner game, keep sleeping with them, but stop taking them out into public. If you are about their SMV, then you should be able to get them to either make you dinner at their place, or accept drinks at yours. Solves the embarrassment in public. Then start shooting higher.

[TheMachinist]

I deal with this alot myself.It's like I go for the low hanging fruit even though I want and know I can do better. It's not just with women either it's pretty much every aspect of my life.I've recently been FORCING myself to go for what I want and not settle for the easiest option.I'm finding that it really doesn't require anymore effort to get what I want and I'm usually happier in the end.

[WesternCancer]

Man I feel you.

The first girl I banged after I broke up with my LTR that caused me to find this game stuff made me feel this. She was fat (not by American standards, but definitely chubby). My LTR was a thin skiier with an amazing ass. At the time the LTR was 'out of my league' but this fatty helped me hone my asshole game and was a consistent source of pussy. She lived 5 minutes away so I could hit it any time. A lot of the times when I hit it and was walking home I'd feel regret for fucking her, I knew she was less attractive than me. She came over to my house once to fuck. One of my roommates saw her and asked who it was. I felt embarassed. I've had this with a few other average looking girls too. I fuck them and afterwards contemplate whether the convenience is worth the time you put into fucking her. Even if you don't bring her out in public and you only smash once and a while you'll feel worse mentally than if you put lots of effort into fucking a hotter chick. While I think banging these average looking girls is helpful when you first get into game it slows your progress and hurts you in the long run if you ever hope to progress. I don't know about you guys but I have infinitely more pleasure fucking a hot girl who I'm proud to be seen with in public. The sex can be good with average girls, but when you only want to fuck them and you feel it is a chore to talk to them pre-post bang why are you really fucking them in the first place. This is something I'm beginning to feel. Shit leads to unhappiness in the long run. If you consistently fuck average girls you're going to feel pangs of worthlessness and doubt. We are above average men and we deserve nothing more than above average women.

[poutsara]

perhaps

[painter]

Read Gene Simmons autobiography. He talks about how he fucked everything, didn't matter if they weren't all 10's. One time he fucked their limo driver who was in her 50's and the other guys in Kiss all gave him shit. He didn't care.

Granted, the guy was a rockstar who didn't drink, smoke or do drugs and pussy was a sport for him. The No Shame Game is a great mindset to have if you can own it and not give a fuck what anyone else thinks.

I can also see where WesternCancer is coming from. I had a similar situation going from a 9 that every guy I knew hated my guts for nailing to a fatty who was no more than a 5. The funny thing was the 9 was a frigid cunt who didn't know how to fuck and the 5 was a lot of fun in the sack plus she put up with tons of outrageous shit from me. I got clowned on for hanging with her but overall it was worth it. I could be sitting at the bar at 2am with my buddies who weren't getting anything, go get laid and be back before closing time.

Subpar chicks will try and make you their boyfriend so use this as an experiment. Act like a jerk, see how they eat it up and apply it to higher grade women. It totally works.

[kenny_powers]

(12-22-2012 08:05 PM)MikeinMKE Wrote:  

So fellas, I am coming off the "Rough Night" thread that I started exactly one week ago - thumbnail is a really hot girl (best looking girl I've dated in my new city) didn't stop a guy from putting his hand on her back and keeping it there for a while - I lost my cool brushed him off, and we're through now.

To rebound, I lined up 4 (no kidding - 4) dates with 6's on Match.com this past week (some had been the works but I usually keep my pipeline full as I have a ton of spare time at my job). I've fucked 1, fooled around/oral sex with 1, sucked on 1's tits, and made out with 1. I'm on a roll with mediocre girls.

My question is: This has gotten my rocks off and been fun to a certain extent, but there is baggage with it. I feel like I'm a 7.5 who dresses really well, has a nice car, swanky condo downtown (which helps seal the deal or escalate pretty easily) and I kind of feel like when I'm going to a bar with these chicks people look at me (especially the sexy bartender girls) like "what is this guy doing with that girl - he could do way better". It doesn't help when these girls dress kind of dowdy and don't maximize their potential. One girl was pretty in the face and has killer tits but she wore this red peacoat that made her look like fucking Miss Piggy. I was embarrassed to be seen with her at this one bar we went to that was pretty upscale and the bartender/few clients in there were very stylish and good looking. I fit in - she didn't. I felt looks of curiosity (may be psychosomatic but I felt them). I size up other couples this way so I assume I get sized up similarly when I'm on a date... or am I just weird?

Is that in my head, or do you think that there's some collateral damage to my confidence to be "dating down" consistently - even if I'm hooking up/getting bangs, etc. Also - keep in mind that I'm going to have to eventually blow these chicks off after I fuck them and I don't really love doing that either - it's basically what the original hot chick from the "Rough Night" thread did to me and it ruined my subsequent 36 hours.

Man, I am right there with you! I moved to a new city recently after ending a 2.5 year LTR with an 8.5. I was / am out of practice but needed to start somewhere. I found RVF a few months ago and set up an OKC account. Almost 20 dates and I banged 7 girls. Every single girl was what you described - way below were I should playing. It satisfied my primal urges but overall made me feel like a loser.

I had 3 girls on rotation, I have ghosted on them all. I got a few new notches, my game and overall confidence has improved (much thanks RVF). I took down my online profile, I am working on my social circle, hitting the gym more, hanging in higher end spots, rolling solo, and not having more than 3 drinks. 2013 - quality not quantity.

[kenny_powers]

I went out to a few Christmas parties on Thursday with one of the hottest girls I have seen in DC. I was introduced to her social circle - instant credibility. This week has been very good to me. It's amazing how you can change your player trajectory and SMV with a few simple moves.

What's the expression ? "Tell me who you hang out with and I will tell you who are!" Hang with with uggos and fatty magoos and you are a loser. Hang with with hotties and winners...

[Christian McQueen]

I find it ironic that sometimes the hottest girls are not that great in bed. I think the happy medium for me has been a 7, BUT I would strongly encourage you to focus on hotter girls. Keep fucking the 6's but game hotter ones. A solid 9 on your arm out on the town does wonders for your confidence.

Apply the same idgaf attitude with the hotties too. Do not be affected by their looks and you will stand out to them.

Example: a 9-9.5 I've been banging for a few days text me couple days ago with this:

Her: Good morning handsome : )

Me: morning slightly above average gurl

Her: waaat? Lol!!

Point is I have not complimented her looks AT ALL and she's loving it. Hot girls get compliments every day, no need to join the beta orbiters. She'll love you for it.

[Parlay44]

All my friends are dating down. When I say dating I mean they've LTR'd some fat bitchy women.
It's a seller's market these days I guess.

[kenny_powers]

(12-23-2012 10:54 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

All my friends are dating down. When I say dating I mean they've LTR'd some fat bitchy women.
It's a seller's market these days I guess.

Fat and bitchy sells...but I'm not not buying.

[Basil Ransom]

I feel you man.

If you want to avoid feeling this way, you have to make LESS of an effort to bed these women. The more effort you put in, the shittier you'll feel afterwards. The less you put in, the easier it is to write it off as a fun shameless romp. Don't take their numbers, don't go on dates with them, don't bang them more than once, and carry out your deepest darkest desires in bed with them. Don't try and show her you're a sexual superman, there's no point.

I've banged two girls I'd put in this category in just the past week. Both were same night lays. The first one, I didn't even take her phone number afterwards, and took her home within an hour of meeting, after *she* asked to go home with me. The second I did, but only because she was so nice and geographically close, and there was a small chance I'd want to bang her again. I don't feel bad at it, because I know I'd feel even worse if I'd gone out those nights and not gotten anything. Both of these girls passed the test with ease.

My biggest concern is if people would see me with these girls and shoot me down for it. This actually happened with the first girl - I had a quick makeout with a hard body blonde while the bang had her back to me, ordering a drink for me. Then the hard body saw the mediocre bang's face, who she had thought was my gf, got grossed out and bolted. Not a big deal, I wanted the sure thing, I just wouldn't want to suffer any long term consequences. Thankfully, I think the venues are fluid enough that it's usually not a problem.

You have to keep the flow of women going, otherwise you'll be left with women you don't want to bang any more, EXCEPT that you have no one to replace them with, so you stick with them. *That* will definitely hurt your mood.