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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Preface:

I'm working on different automated businesses that will help me to achieve the international lifestyle goals shared by most guys on this forum.

However, I'm also acutely aware of the lack of dependability, or possible limited-term viability, of businesses such as these.

For instance, I've been writing a book that will be very useful to a certain contingent of professionals. This project has currently taken me 2 years and counting. While I expect it to sell for $300, I also know that it likely will one day become obsolete.

Hopefully I will have made enough money by then for it to have been worthwhile. However, from here on out, I will only concentrate on projects that require less time to execute. The time, effort and opportunity cost risk is just too great to do otherwise. Easier product and service businesses will likely be my future focus. That being said, I've learned a ton of useful skills that only a project like this could have taught me.

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Anyway, a reliable and flexible means of making money is critical to long term sustainability of an international lifestyle. The most reliable way of making money isn't business for most people, but in acquiring a skill that is much more in demand than supply. This assures that it is easy to get hired at high wages. It also assures that once you quit a job, you can easily be rehired at another time.

After a hell of a lot of consideration, I believe that there are two professions that currently meet my requirements for quality of life and employment.

The first is becoming a certified teacher in international schools. For a number of reasons that I won't go into here, while the job itself can lead to some desirable international experiences, it is less than ideal.

The second profession, that I believe offers the best mix of flexibility and pay, is any on of the rehab health professions. Namely in physical therapy, speech therapy or occupational therapy. All three of these professions offer a roughly equivalent amount of flexibility and pay.

Specifically, one can pick up 13 week contract positions at will, in the USA, with an annualized equivalent pay of 90K and up in major metro areas. Also, your apartment is paid for. In between, one can take off for as much time as they would like to travel and pursue other interests.

I'm considering speech therapy.

Pros:
-High hourly rates ($45-75 hr, on average)
-Can pick up short term assignments anywhere in the USA, with a paid for apartment.
-There is a high savings potential during these short term assignments
-Flexible Hours if not working in schools
-Its a 'helping' profession that may offer some personal satisfaction.
-No cubicles or computer work.
-Assured employment for the rest of my life.
-Rehab care related business opportunities.

Cons:
-At least three years of full time school, when I wont be able to do much else. I'm currently 33. Opportunity cost, etc,...
-Anywhere from 45-80k in school loan debt.
-Work may be primarily with geriatrics and ultimately boring (feeding, swallowing therapy, etc)
-Limited international work

While I use computers regularly, they give me bad migraines and related health problems. Therefore, pursuing non-computer related employment is important to me.

As an aside, My automated business ideas rely on my anticipation that ultimately the related computer work can be limited or otherwise farmed out.

My ultimate focus is on having a high quality of life, a high degree of flexibility and travel opportunities, and having options/choices. Debt and lost time both scare the shit out of me.

What do you think?
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

"Debt and lost time both scare the shit out of me."

Yeah, those are brutal.

I guess it comes down to if you really want to do that as a career?
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Quote: (03-15-2010 02:21 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I guess it comes down to if you really want to do that as a career?

Honestly, no.

But then again, I don't really want anything as a career.

Its more of a means to an end.

The only things that I want are reasonable amounts of cash, freedom and security. I'm willing to work to get them. This is the solution that I've come up with. While I assume my entrepreneurial projects will eventually pay off, its too risky to wait in case they do not.

The only third option is to live on very low wages in S.A., teaching english, and try to get my projects off the ground from there.

Working for low wages in the USA, with a genral B.A. degree, is just a ridiculous way of life.

I need a masters degree, a business (working on it) or the lifestyle that would make the lack of either of these things less painful.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

hydrogonian,

I would tell you not to do it. Three years and the debt to do something that you don't really want to do sounds terrible.

You might not want to hear it, but I would suggest to keep on looking for something you really want to do.

Then the years and debt would be worth it.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

I agree with the G here. If you're just looking at a means to end, you can come up with other ways to make cash without such a significant investment in time and money.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Keep looking. If you don't want to do it before you start, you're in for a world of depression once you get started with huge loans on your back.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

I'm in a similar situation as you Hydro. I'm 29 and I've been postponing law school for the past 3-4 years. It's a demanding course with a sweet option of spending 1 academic year in an exchange programme abroad (my choice is Brasil) and I guess a solid career in International Law but I'm not yet ready to commit 4 years of sweat and hard work and all, not to mention the 80-100K tuition for the 4 years programme. And the overly stressful working conditions of a lawyer aren't making me very motivated either, to say the least. I'm still waiting and working on my other plan, that is my online businesses to take off so that I don't have to go to school again. But on the other hand, the biz is taking longer than expected and is making me having second thoughts and paying more attention to everybody around me advising me to commit to school this year. I know this is not the time to be hesitant but to have faith in my plan and myself, but it ain't easy to say the least.
The feedback given by the guys on this thread is spot on. I'll probably give it one more year.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Quote: (03-16-2010 06:04 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I'm in a similar situation as you Hydro. I'm 29 and I've been postponing law school for the past 3-4 years. It's a demanding course with a sweet option of spending 1 academic year in an exchange programme abroad (my choice is Brasil) and I guess a solid career in International Law but I'm not yet ready to commit 4 years of sweat and hard work and all, not to mention the 80-100K tuition for the 4 years programme. And the overly stressful working conditions of a lawyer aren't making me very motivated either, to say the least. I'm still waiting and working on my other plan, that is my online businesses to take off so that I don't have to go to school again. But on the other hand, the biz is taking longer than expected and is making me having second thoughts and paying more attention to everybody around me advising me to commit to school this year. I know this is not the time to be hesitant but to have faith in my plan and myself, but it ain't easy to say the least.
The feedback given by the guys on this thread is spot on. I'll probably give it one more year.

Man, your situation is almost an exact mirror of what I'm going through.
I heavily considered law school as well. Given the way my mind works, I actually think that I'd be a good lawyer. However, the lifestyle commitment of a good lawyer didn't match what I imagine for my life, not to mention the negatives of the current legal job market.

When it comes down to it, a lawyer is a service provider in a field where there are more service providers then there is a market demand for service (in most fields of law, but perhaps not all). This drives wages down (except for t1 biglaw slaves), and pressure to bill hours up for everyone that is lucky enough to be employed. To avoid this situation, or because they can't get jobs in the first place, many lawyers are forced into private practice. Many of these lawyers become little more than ambulance chasers / dui fixers/ mercenaries for hire. In my opinion, the value of going to school is to secure stable employment, not to be forced into business. While I think I'd pursue law in a better employment market; the current situation dictates that Its better to pursue my own business ideas on the side while working a more secure job with reasonable hours. Even if you are employed, you likely won't go far in a firm unless you can personally bring in business. This essentially dictates that you take on the role of a business owner no matter what, and you miss many of the benefits of merely being a skilled employee. This isn't good if you want low stress and secure employment.

Its hard to defer school when there is a lot of social pressure to do otherwise. I'd like to give it another year, but I think what will happen is that I will wind up taking some cheap prerequisite classes, this spring, just to get people off of my back. It'll probably set me back $2-4k in the next year.

I really do think my business plans will work out, but its hard to communicate to people that anything done right, and worth doing well, takes a lot of time and effort. To them, I'm just floundering until some actual money rolls in. But I assume that once it does, I will automatically go from a washout to a success in there eyes. Most people give no respect to the startup period, unless you can talk about accomplishments that impress them such as raising capital (actually a need that negatively affects your personal position in your business) or other activities that they would view as socially prestigious.

Most people would view someone who starts a small internet based business as only mildly successful, vs. someone who runs a more complicated business. Even if the overall numbers (debt/overhead/income/etc) are superior to someone with, for example, a warehouse and 10 employees.

While I view my internet business activities as much lower risk and potentially higher reward, and therefore a better gamble and more worthwhile, than almost any type of brick and mortar business, most people won't see it that way. Most people need societal approval for themselves, their friends and their family.

Also, when it comes down to it, there is no employment opportunity unless some people take the risk and effort necessary to initiate the creation of value and start businesses.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Hydro,
Earlier tonight, I wrote a long post answer to your above post but my %$#$%% froze and I lost everything I had written.
Anways, that little annoying technical problem apart, I can relate to almost everything you wrote as I'm also going through almost exactly what you're going through. Specially the pressure from people around me, mainly my family.
And the part that really annoys me and annoys them as well is that they don't consider online businesses anything other than an expensive hobby. They feel that making money online is only a pipe dream. Only if they knew. So when they see me sitting countless hours on my computer, they think I'm playing games or idly browsing and their sneaky remarks such as "stop wasting your time online and get a real job!" are really getting to my nerves big time.
But as I mentioned earlier and you also wrote, this thing (online biz) takes time, perseverence and above all, faith in it from us and belief in ourselves, despite the constant criticism from others, even and specially those closest to us.

About the legal job market, here in Canada, things are not as bad as in the US. A friend of mine, he's only 27, graduated last year and had no trouble finding a good paid position that is not very stressfull fairly quickly. For those nice gigs with a decent pay (say in the 150K-200K region), with a fixed 9-5 schedule without the killer pressure to put in 80 hours weekly nor to bill 2500+ hours a year, the best places to look for are with the government and not in the private sector. At least here in Canada, not sure about the US market. I am very tempted by all this, but at the same time, I value my freedom a lot more than material things and would rather be making 5K-10K a month from my online biz and being totally free to be where I want than making a high 6 figure+ as a lawyer and be fixed to one location. But that's just me and folks here around me have the hardest time understanding this. The more I live here, the more I see the souless, mind crushing "careers" folks around me have, the less I want to be part of it. I've travelled a lot in my life, but only in small bursts of 2 weeks or so at a time. The longest was 5 weeks in SA in 2007 (mainly Brasil and a week in BA). The thought of spending 6-12 months on the road in the world is simply intoxicating me to the point of no return. That's the only thing I'm thinking of at this time. Now my goal is to reach a decent income from my online gigs by this fall and leave in September/October for 6-12 months.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

We are, indeed, very similar.

Thanks for the encouragement.

I toured western Europe for 1 month ten years ago (and have traveled extensively since, but this trip was my most memorable), and ever since I've been focused on finding a way to be able to travel for extended periods.

It wasn't until I gained some experience in an industry, and devised a new process of accomplishing certain tasks, that I saw my opening to be able to write about and market my process.

I saw an opening for success, and now I'm working on executing the plan so well that it would be very difficult, in terms of time and effort, for someone to match what I have done and compete with me. I think that this perspective is essential to protecting your effort. Whatever you do, make sure that it is to the best of your ability and vision.

However, this has taken me 2 years, thus-far, of almost full time effort. I don't feel bad about a minute of that time, because of what I've learned and created. It would take someone else a similar amount of time to match, starting from scratch, if they even had the stamina to execute in the first place. I don't think most people have enough stamina to stand out from the crowd of mediocre business efforts. Stamina to execute thoroughly might be the most valuable business skill and is an 'edge' in and of itself. Your time in front of the computer is not wasted.

This is what people don't understand. The two years that I've spent has given me "means of production" in terms of both the product that I'm creating as well as new skill-sets. I could start from scratch now, with a new project, and complete it in much less time. As my skill-sets continue to increase, making money should become easier and easier.

The benefits to slowly building these skill sets are the location-less freedom that they bring. Thats a benefit that essentially returns your life to you, instead of forcing you to whore out your mind and body for 2000 hours per year, for 30 years. Is there anything more valuable? I think that a couple of 'idle' years in front of the computer, in exchange for the possibility of this type of freedom, is a very low risk and smart gamble.

I think that people that don't have this insight, or have given up on doing anything great, are the ones that will be most critical. They have been with me.

Keep at it Vacancier.

Also, what good is a 'career' if the cost of living extends beyond what most people make, due to the effect of a debt based economy on the cost of living? Sacrificing ones life in an average career, unless you make over 100k and are even then frugal, almost assures a life of debt, toil, and stress. Another reason why I think our efforts are very worthwhile.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Can the mods ban this troll and delete his crap from the forum?
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Banned him. Spamming is a problem unfortunately... help me out by hitting the Report button underneath spam posts so I can get rid of them faster.
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Is pursuing a Mid-Level Health Practitioner Lifestyle Worth It?

Quote: (03-18-2010 01:30 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

... instead of forcing you to whore out your mind and body for 2000 hours per year, for 30 years. Is there anything more valuable? I think that a couple of 'idle' years in front of the computer, in exchange for the possibility of this type of freedom, is a very low risk and smart gamble.

This.

It amaze me how the majority of people dont see the paradox in working their ass off for decades, and only start enjoying life when they are old, during their retirement. If by enjoying you mean group travelling in autocars because you cannot walk much and need to pee every hour.
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Quote: (03-16-2010 11:31 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Keep looking. If you don't want to do it before you start, you're in for a world of depression once you get started with huge loans on your back.

I think this is very bad advice.

The OP has a pretty good idea.

He has logically gone through several options, and has found a path to financial independence with a high % chance of success.

Now, specific to the medical field, the people who do the worst in that are the people who did not question their decision beforehand.

If you think you are going to be the second coming of Jesus by being a nurse/surgeon/PA/therapist, you are in for a rude awakening.

If you are interested by the idea of working with patients, of mastering a large body of complex knowledge, and by having a trade that in a very real way makes a positive contribution to society, then go for it!

Just be aware, that like any job, you are providing a service for other people, and your provision of that service will be conditioned by the needs of your customers (patients), not your own personal convenience.

It won't be easy, it will take time, but you can have an amazing journey.

I say this as someone who is heading back to the USA to start medical school as a non traditional student, many years after graduating from university.

Nothing beats having a passion and something which is intellectually engaging.

Just traveling around abroad, and drinking, and laying women, sounds great, but it isn't a life, and it does get very boring.
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I am getting my masters in Occupational Therapy and was wondering where are you finding jobs where they pay for your apartment since I haven't found any in my job searches?


I have a passion for reading and writing but I am not banking on making any money off of it until much later in life (too many writers not enough publishers) so for now it is a glorified hobby;however, I do think OT sounds like an awesome job and I love helping people and being involved in someones recovery. The pay is great and I like how they have 13 week contracts in large numbers (meaning I can work for six months and with the money I've saved up can go travel). Until I get my multimillion dollar publishing deal this is a nice consolation prize.
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Quote: (05-20-2010 11:50 AM)DrArete Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2010 11:31 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Keep looking. If you don't want to do it before you start, you're in for a world of depression once you get started with huge loans on your back.

I think this is very bad advice.

The OP has a pretty good idea.

He has logically gone through several options, and has found a path to financial independence with a high % chance of success.

Now, specific to the medical field, the people who do the worst in that are the people who did not question their decision beforehand.

If you think you are going to be the second coming of Jesus by being a nurse/surgeon/PA/therapist, you are in for a rude awakening.

If you are interested by the idea of working with patients, of mastering a large body of complex knowledge, and by having a trade that in a very real way makes a positive contribution to society, then go for it!

Just be aware, that like any job, you are providing a service for other people, and your provision of that service will be conditioned by the needs of your customers (patients), not your own personal convenience.

It won't be easy, it will take time, but you can have an amazing journey.

I say this as someone who is heading back to the USA to start medical school as a non traditional student, many years after graduating from university.

Nothing beats having a passion and something which is intellectually engaging.


Just traveling around abroad, and drinking, and laying women, sounds great, but it isn't a life, and it does get very boring.


Amen

I would be a college professor if the market wasn't so saturated with PHD's I can read all day. Stories are my weapon I use to get my ideas out to the masses (versus boring ass dissertations)
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Quote: (05-20-2010 02:16 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I am getting my masters in Occupational Therapy and was wondering where are you finding jobs where they pay for your apartment since I haven't found any in my job searches?


I have a passion for reading and writing but I am not banking on making any money off of it until much later in life (too many writers not enough publishers) so for now it is a glorified hobby;however, I do think OT sounds like an awesome job and I love helping people and being involved in someones recovery. The pay is great and I like how they have 13 week contracts in large numbers (meaning I can work for six months and with the money I've saved up can go travel). Until I get my multimillion dollar publishing deal this is a nice consolation prize.

Interesting about not finding apartment jobs. I haven't browsed OT jobs, but they generally offer similar benefits to travel PT, SLP and nursing jobs. Did you look at a wide variety of travel therapy agencies?

That being suggested, the job market would determine how much they offer in the way of benefits. If there are too many OTs, then the benefits would decline. If the need is greater than the supply, then you will see better benefits such as apartment jobs. But remember that its possible that some of these type of positions may offer you a free apartment at the cost of lower hourly pay, and so you would be indirectly paying for your apartment anyway. You have to weigh the total package on every job. But for a guy who wants to spend 6 months a year in Thailand, for instance, then not having to sign a lease when he comes back to work might be worth a lower hourly rate.

A college professorship is a good job. Is the OT market flooded with PHDs? Very specific Professor niches such as OT and SLP tend to be less flooded than, say, teaching history or english. I know that if I wanted to get a phd to teach SLP, then I could likely have my choice of jobs. But that would require four years after my masters, I believe. I don't think it would be worth it unless I was otherwise bored out of my skull.
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Quote: (05-20-2010 03:09 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (05-20-2010 02:16 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  

I am getting my masters in Occupational Therapy and was wondering where are you finding jobs where they pay for your apartment since I haven't found any in my job searches?


I have a passion for reading and writing but I am not banking on making any money off of it until much later in life (too many writers not enough publishers) so for now it is a glorified hobby;however, I do think OT sounds like an awesome job and I love helping people and being involved in someones recovery. The pay is great and I like how they have 13 week contracts in large numbers (meaning I can work for six months and with the money I've saved up can go travel). Until I get my multimillion dollar publishing deal this is a nice consolation prize.

Interesting about not finding apartment jobs. I haven't browsed OT jobs, but they generally offer similar benefits to travel PT, SLP and nursing jobs. Did you look at a wide variety of travel therapy agencies?

That being suggested, the job market would determine how much they offer in the way of benefits. If there are too many OTs, then the benefits would decline. If the need is greater than the supply, then you will see better benefits such as apartment jobs. But remember that its possible that some of these type of positions may offer you a free apartment at the cost of lower hourly pay, and so you would be indirectly paying for your apartment anyway. You have to weigh the total package on every job. But for a guy who wants to spend 6 months a year in Thailand, for instance, then not having to sign a lease when he comes back to work might be worth a lower hourly rate.

A college professorship is a good job. Is the OT market flooded with PHDs? Very specific Professor niches such as OT and SLP tend to be less flooded than, say, teaching history or english. I know that if I wanted to get a phd to teach SLP, then I could likely have my choice of jobs. But that would require four years after my masters, I believe. I don't think it would be worth it unless I was otherwise bored out of my skull.

From what I have seen OT's have a much higher job opportunities then PT's (not sure about SLP). I haven't researched deeply into the benefits but I assumed that if housing was available they would have that in their headline too attract workers, but trust me there is a lot of work for OTs (over 1000+ jobs in the Miami Dade area alone). With the baby boomers retiring job security will not be an issue at all.

I don't see myself signing a lease longer then six months ever given that I don't plan on staying in one area for more then six months if I can help it. That said if I do fall in love with a place I wouldn't mind staying longer.

PHD is something that I could do only as an English professor but in doing so I would be wasting my time since there are far more PHD's then tenured positions. Even graduating from a top ten school you still at best are looking at adjunct and if you do find a tenured track it is more then likely in bumfuck Alabama, Montana, or Wyoming rather then your "dream" position in LA. Even in community college most schools want to see a PHD and given the amount of debt and time invested it simply ain't worth it. Doing it in OT or PT would give you far more flexibility but you have to ask if you want to be doing scholarly research in that field?

Needless to say I envision getting contract work until I save up enough money to travel for six months to a year and then coming back the U.S. too make more money and save until I can travel again. During my free time I can write and read my ass off until I land a deal with a publisher who will pay me to write and then my dream will have come true. Very far fetched but I don't want to work the 9-5 crap any longer then I have too and although four hour work week stuff sounds nice I am not into computers or online marketing or web-design (Although maybe I can learn to like it if it gets me the freedom I seek)

Ish
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Needless to say I envision getting contract work until I save up enough money to travel for six months to a year and then coming back the U.S. too make more money and save until I can travel again. During my free time I can write and read my ass off until I land a deal with a publisher who will pay me to write and then my dream will have come true. Very far fetched but I don't want to work the 9-5 crap any longer then I have too and although four hour work week stuff sounds nice I am not into computers or online marketing or web-design (Although maybe I can learn to like it if it gets me the freedom I seek)

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I wouldn't worry about that 4 hour work week crap.

It is all a scam.

The people, I assume they exist, who actually know how to beat the stock market, or have some novel way of making money, are not going to waste their time writing a book to help instruct the competition.

If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

At best all any of those type of books (4 hr work week, How to Beat the Market, You Too Can Retire a Millionaire at 30, etc) are going to do, is to give you some general philosophical points about working hard, not following the herd, saving, etc. Just very general BS that is good if you are total clueless and don't know how the world works, but totally unrealistic if you are trying to make an actionable plan.
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